Confirmed with Link: David Quinn Dismissed

[LORDE]

I have to tell you, I think people discount the Islanders. That's a legit playoff team and one that was a game away from the cup finals.

I think that team is playing exactly how it's built to perform. I don't even think we've finished building our team yet.

I feel like a more accurate comparison would be if this was closer to the team we were preparing to go into battle. I don't think it is.

I also think the Islanders are probably the worst actual match-up for us at this point in time. In a series, I'm actually more comfortable going against the Pens, Caps, and Bruins than the Islanders right now.

Fair enough but you asked. I answered and this sin't like a "gotcha" moment at all. You're my fav poster and I ask questions that I want insight on.

I see the Isles as being a decent team. Some real skill... some real grit. But I see a VERY well coached team.

I see us as being, as you put it, an unfinished project... a team however that is not coached as well as we could be. Again, I will say... I didn't hate Quinn at all... but, like Kreider he left me wanting more... a lot.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I honestly wouldn't be on the ledge over two years of Torts, in a vacuum, depending on how he got along with some of our players.

Hartley is the one option I want absolutely nothing to do with. His Flames teams broke records for shot blocking.

Weren't those teams terrible when it came to analytics?

 

[Machinehead]

Also, Trotz is like, on his own tier as the best coach in the league.

So it's not to say that a different coach would be a panacea for this team.

 

[Machinehead]

Weren't those teams terrible when it came to analytics?

Historically bad, yeah.

Hartley looked at Torts' six goalie spiel and said "hold my beer."

 

[mas0764]

I'm not that broken up over the Quinn dismissal either, because I'm unconvinced that Quinn was properly developing our star forward prospects, and that to me is the thing that matters more than anything else.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I don't think you're wrong to say that if the teams switch coaches, the Rangers are the team in the playoffs.

I mentioned this in the GDT when the Islanders were capping us -- they have a lot of guys in their lineup who are Globetrotters players, so it isn't about "the big bad Islanders just beat us up."

Trotz understands the roster he has and gets the best version of each player. His skill players are allowed to be skilled. His entire time in DC, he let Ovechkin loaf around and never play defense.

But what Trotz also understands is that physicality is not running around like an idiot (hi, Brett). He employs a system that gets the most out of physical players. The Islanders 4th line isn't tougher than everyone else's 4th line, they're just responsible and now how to actually forecheck. Matt Martin is always in position and you'll never see him running around to shove guys.

I think our board romanticizes the Islanders and I don't give them much of a chance against a team like Tampa, but they are a great example of *hockey* grit that actually accomplishes something, as opposed to David Quinn grit, such as leading the league in fights by like 10.

Wasn't that fourth line good before Lou and Trotz got there? It was the exact same line once Lou brought back Martin.

 

[CLW]

You have to be careful with the "we don't want a retread" frame of mind. That was the exact thought behind hiring Quinn.

The reason the league recycles the same ~35 coaches is because making the jump to the NHL is hard.

I'm not saying definitely get a veteran coach, but understand what a rookie candidate is going to do on the ice and how he's going to address our issues. Don't just say "well this is new therefore it's good!"

I know that seems obvious but I feel like Quinn got the job because he had the right optics. Young coach, good attitude, humble (opposite of AV), refreshing. Turns out he didn't have an NHL system to go with it.

A lot of the retreads have proven records of being d***s and getting fired, or sucking the life out of their teams. Find a talented up and coming guy, and don't forget the part with "an NHL system" this time. Everybody seems to want Brind'Amour, but he didn't have NHL head coaching experience before Carolina gave him a shot.

 

[egelband]

The pandemic came at the absolutely worst time for Quinn and the rest of the management team. The Rangers were rolling when the pause came and they - as a whole - never recovered.
Success in life - as many have said - often comes down to things like luck, timing, the fates.
Had the team continued it’s run last season, things are way different.
Gotta feel for these people. I don’t think their replacements are going to be markedly better or worse.

 

[Machinehead]

Wasn't that fourth line good before Lou and Trotz got there? It was the exact same line once Lou brought back Martin.

Yes, and that's because they're all good players. Martin, in particular, is outstanding when it comes to anything that doesn't have to do with scoring. If he were good enough at scoring to have a bigger role, he'd be a Selke guy.

But if you drop those guys into Quinn's system, what would they do? We don't cycle that much, we're not tight defensively, and he would have Martin and Clutterbuck going out of position to hit more.

I'm not saying we need Barry Trotz, but you need some kind of structure or grit is just fighting. We were good at fighting this year.

 

[Edge]

Fair enough but you asked. I answered and this sin't like a "gotcha" moment at all. You're my fav poster and I ask questions that I want insight on.

I see the Isles as being a decent team. Some real skill... some real grit. But I see a VERY well coached team.

I see us as being, as you put it, an unfinished project... a team however that is not coached as well as we could be. Again, I will say... I didn't hate Quinn at all... but, like Kreider he left me wanting more... a lot.

No, it's a perfectly fair response. I think it's a logical thought as well.

The Islanders to me are a team that are built to perform a certain way, experienced enough to know how to do it, and coached in a way to get the most out of them.

I think the Rangers, on paper, have more skill and promise, but I they have more gaps, flaws and runway ahead of them to make that skill and promise a reality.

I think we're better long-term bet, but I don't think we've surpassed the Islanders yet. They're just not hitting that sweet spot with experience, age, etc. There's a huge gap there in age and experience for the Rangers --- and that's on top of roster composition.

I do think the Islanders reinforce the conversations we've had about building a team for the playoffs and not for a skills competition. So when people wonder why a defense with Jones, Lundkvist, Fox, ADA, Pionk, etc. wasn't really a consideration, that's kind of why. Or when there is some concern as to why we traded a finesse player for a package of gritty support players, we can circle back to balance as well.

If anything, the Islanders have re-ignited a conversation we've had for a while on here.

 

[romba]

what if one of these coaches wants their own goalie coach

Coaches aren’t interested in dealing with goalies AT ALL, coaching-wise they play a different sport for all they care. Allaire has a good enough rep that they’ll be fine with him and wouldn’t say no thanks because that position comes pre-filled.

 

[tomobson]

Free at last! Free at Last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!

 

[rangers1314]

The pandemic came at the absolutely worst time for Quinn and the rest of the management team. The Rangers were rolling when the pause came and they - as a whole - never recovered.
Success in life - as many have said - often comes down to things like luck, timing, the fates.
Had the team continued it’s run last season, things are way different.
Gotta feel for these people. I don’t think their replacements are going to be markedly better or worse.

All season we heard reports talking about "teams are really struggling with how much stock to put into this season. Can they fairly gauge their team/player performance given the circumstances?"

For better or worse, Dolan (and Sather) decided to blow up our entire organization based off these results. We'll see how it goes.

 

[bernmeister]

Again, just go with Knoblach

 

[LOFIN]

The pandemic came at the absolutely worst time for Quinn and the rest of the management team. The Rangers were rolling when the pause came and they - as a whole - never recovered.
Success in life - as many have said - often comes down to things like luck, timing, the fates.
Had the team continued it’s run last season, things are way different.
Gotta feel for these people. I don’t think their replacements are going to be markedly better or worse.

Like I said earlier, DQ and the staff didn't fail performance wise. But, did he get the best out of the kids, and is he the guy that will the Rangers us take the next step? No.

 

[egelband]

All season we heard reports talking about "teams are really struggling with how much stock to put into this season. Can they fairly gauge their team/player performance given the circumstances?"

For better or worse, Dolan (and Sather) decided to blow up our entire organization based off these results. We'll see how it goes.

Yep. Bizarre year-plus. I really don’t know which side is up these days.

Makes all the talk of Blinded by the Light and it’s era all that more poignant

 

[Crease]

what if one of these coaches wants their own goalie coach

Highly unlikely. Goaltending is a specialized position that head coaches generally don't bother touching, unless the head coach is a former goalie himself. Plus Allaire is such a proven commodity that the head coaching candidates will likely appreciate him being part of the package.

 

[TheBPA]

Highly unlikely. Goaltending is a specialized position that head coaches generally don't bother touching, unless the head coach is a former goalie himself. Plus Allaire is such a proven commodity that the head coaching candidates will likely appreciate him being part of the package.

"Stop the puck"

--signed, all coaches other than goalie coaches.

 

[EpicDing]

The Sam Hallam stuff is interesting. You know who he just coached to a championship in Vaxjo?

Jack Drury

 

[Scott r]

I've been saying that all season. We are led by and rely upon 'great individual' performances.

Interesting....u think it all comes down to a coach and mgmt ?? Is there caliber of players in mgmt and or coaches a key...berube..good st l coach cup..George McPhee Vegas gm. Barry trotts m lamriello...the best...this year isles were no better then 6 teams in east. Think u put way too much into coach

 

[Scott r]

What if I said the Isles?

What would you say was the main difference between the teams?

I am no Quinn hater, but the results bear out. Yes we're younger... yes we have less "physical" players... but that team is playing more than the sum of their parts. Why?

Then I can respond to tbis...Dallas fired redhead nfl coach and he was hired in 2 seconds by giants..I thought he was no good ?? Why r isles much better...going in wrong direction...they went to conf finals last year....why r they not better....coach??

 

[Panda Bear]

but what if you write like a real person so that your thoughts get taken more seriously

 

[CLW]

I think the Islanders are what they are and they embrace that.

Even taking Quinn out of the equation for a minute, the Rangers are a team that is still trying to determine what they actually have, let alone having complete buy-in to an identity.

Is that something that needs to happen? Absolutely. No doubt about it.

Is that something that was going to happen at this juncture? Eh, that's the debate.

The identity is something the veterans stressed in their interviews the Rangers released. All of them spoke about tremendous challenges during the season, even bizarre events in the locker room the fans and media know nothing about. They said the team took a step forward but work remains to be done.

Now which coach do you bring into that situation. Torts, who struggles with square pegs and round holes and whose only tool is a hammer would be an awful fit. Tocchet, at best, would be just a holdover until the Rangers find a real coach. Babcock, just no.

Gallant has been smart about lying low after the bad blood split with Vegas. Getting unceremoniously booted the way he was points at some personality issues.

My bet is Hartley has a good chance. People say he has been away from the NHL game for a long time, but that doesn't mean it's been a waste. He just won in Russia. If Drury respects him and think he has what it takes to shape the room and give the team an identity then he has a chance.

 

[Scott r]

To hire the guy that half this board hated when he was an assistant here.

I just hope we hire someone that most people like (for now) so we don't have to hear all the bitching for a while.

Lol....ixthought the great Gorton who hired Quinn was the magic move...all is it all an opinion

 

[rangers1314]

If people are talking about a coach that "can forge an identity" for a team, who's proven the ability to do that more than Gallant has?