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TheGortonConspiracy said:
It is expected that Drury will replace Quinn with an experienced NHL head coach who will face a mandate to take the Blueshirts to the next level, and sooner rather than later.
Gerard Gallant, Rick Tocchet, Bob Hartley, John Tortorella, Mike Babcock and Patrick Roy are among the early candidates to follow Quinn, who came to New York three years ago after a successful stint behind the bench at Boston University.
Rangers fire David Quinn with eye on experienced replacement
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Why do people love Hartley so much? Sincere question. I don’t think there has been a more stacked team since the 2001 Avs.
 
Edge said:
Truth be told, I really can't say I am broken up about losing Quinn. I think the timing is little iffy for me, but I really can't say the news of DQ being let go disappointed me.

I will admit that the Gorton and JD thing I do disagree with pretty strongly.
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Unless, Gorton and JD had made it clear they wanted to continue with Quinn.
 
Riche16 said:
What if I said the Isles?

What would you say was the main difference between the teams?

I am no Quinn hater, but the results bear out. Yes we're younger... yes we have less "physical" players... but that team is playing more than the sum of their parts. Why?
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I don't think you're wrong to say that if the teams switch coaches, the Rangers are the team in the playoffs.

I mentioned this in the GDT when the Islanders were capping us -- they have a lot of guys in their lineup who are Globetrotters players, so it isn't about "the big bad Islanders just beat us up."

Trotz understands the roster he has and gets the best version of each player. His skill players are allowed to be skilled. His entire time in DC, he let Ovechkin loaf around and never play defense.

But what Trotz also understands is that physicality is not running around like an idiot (hi, Brett). He employs a system that gets the most out of physical players. The Islanders 4th line isn't tougher than everyone else's 4th line, they're just responsible and now how to actually forecheck. Matt Martin is always in position and you'll never see him running around to shove guys.

I think our board romanticizes the Islanders and I don't give them much of a chance against a team like Tampa, but they are a great example of *hockey* grit that actually accomplishes something, as opposed to David Quinn grit, such as leading the league in fights by like 10.
 
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Riche16 said:
What if I said the Isles?

What would you say was the main difference between the teams?

I am no Quinn hater, but the results bear out. Yes we're younger... yes we have less "physical" players... but that team is playing more than the sum of their parts. Why?
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I have to tell you, I think people discount the Islanders. That's a legit playoff team and one that was a game away from the cup finals.

I think that team is playing exactly how it's built to perform. I don't even think we've finished building our team yet.

I feel like a more accurate comparison would be if this was closer to the team we were preparing to go into battle. I don't think it is.

I also think the Islanders are probably the worst actual match-up for us at this point in time. In a series, I'm actually more comfortable going against the Pens, Caps, and Bruins than the Islanders right now.
 
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Machinehead said:
I don't think you're wrong to say that if the teams switch coaches, the Rangers are the team in the playoffs.

I mentioned this in the GDT when the Islanders were capping us -- they have a lot of guys in their lineup who are Globetrotters players, so it isn't about "the big bad Islanders just beat us up."

Trotz understands the roster he has and gets the best version of each player. His skill players are allowed to be skilled. His entire time in DC, he let Ovechkin loaf around and never play defense.

But what Trotz also understands is that physicality is not running around like an idiot (hi, Brett). He employs a system that gets the most out of physical players. The Islanders 4th line isn't tougher than everyone else's 4th line, they're just responsible and now how to actually forecheck. Matt Martin is always in position and you'll never see him running around to shove guys.

I think our board romanticizes the Islanders and I don't give them much of a chance against a team like Tampa, but they are a great example of *hockey* grit that actually accomplishes something, as opposed to David Quinn grit, such as leading the league in fights by like 10.
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One thing to consider as well, and it's not a small matter, the Islanders were the second oldest team in the league this season. The Rangers finished 30th.

There was more than a three and half year age gap between the two teams. The experience gap favored the Islanders by more than 7 years.

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I guess Gallant would be my hope, but ultimately I don't think that we as a fanbase have enough information to really be too upset if they go with somebody else. Whether it has been alcohol, or power struggles, or whatever; he has prematurely had two organizations lose faith in him.

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We're gambling regardless of what we do.
 
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LOFIN said:
Unless, Gorton and JD had made it clear they wanted to continue with Quinn.
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I really don't think that was the line in the sand for them.

And honestly, I think even if they planned to fire them it might not have made a difference in Dolan's headspace.
 
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egelband said:
I feel like the overall MO right now is “get leadership”. I don’t think Knoblauch is that guy. He may be a good coach and be well-respected. But he’s not commanding the room, is my impression. I don’t think he’s the direction the Rangers will be going right now. He might be considered for an assistant position, though.
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If it wasn't such a risk, I'm actually genuinely curious as to how they'd play under Knoblauch. Granted it was a small sample size, but they played really well when he had the bench. Just please, for the love of god, anyone but Torts again...
 
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Edge said:
One thing to consider as well, and it's not a small matter, the Islanders were the second oldest team in the league this season. The Rangers finished 30th.

There was more than a three and half year age gap between the two teams. The experience gap favored the Islanders by more than 7 years.

Elite Prospects - Team Comparison in NHL
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That's certainly a big part of it.

These guys have been skilled players their whole lives so that's immediately part of the package, and let's be honest, you can teach an ape to do the post-whistle stuff, as evidenced by the fact that the Caps have an actual mandrill in their lineup.

Learning effective systems in the NHL takes time.
 
Zamboner said:
Actually seems like the perfect amount of time of the David Quinn experience. Firing him earlier might have been hasty, yet any longer as coach would have been painful to watch. Seems like a decent dude, not a particularly good head coach, never developed an identity of any kind on either side of the puck, and wasn't great at developing the prospects, which should have been his greatest strength as College Coach goes to NHL to helm a rebuild. That said, I don't think he was terrible at anything, like there were certainly worse coaches that could have overseen the rebuild (and say ruined Kaako, or something horrifying like that in the process). No embarrassing moments as a coach (where AV had a few, and Torts was non-stop embarrassing), never truly lost the room either. He might just be an okay coach with a low ceiling. If he gets to do another rebuild maybe he'll get better. His time was up here, though.
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I agree with almost everything here except I would have liked to see one more full year to see what DQ could have done. I think this year was such a s*itshow on so many levels that he deserved one more full season to see what he can do. That said, it would have been awful if by game 20 of next year, we were the same team as this year - a very possible scenario. I give credit to Quinn for making guys earn their time and for making them play the "right way" as he saw it - ie defensively responsible.

Well guys, I will say that the "rebuild phase" is officially over. It's time to see what we can do. No wasting prime years for our amazing vets. Look forward to next season with you guys! I am moving back home to NYC (Brooklyn) so would love to catch a game with some of you guys... maybe we can actually finally meet haha.
 
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Edge said:
I have to tell you, I think people discount the Islanders. That's a legit playoff team and one that was a game away from the cup finals.

I think that team is playing exactly how it's built to perform. I don't even think we've finished building our team yet.

I feel like a more accurate comparison would be if this was closer to the team we were preparing to go into battle. I don't think it is.

I also think the Islanders are probably the worst actual match-up for us at this point in time. In a series, I'm actually more comfortable going against the Pens, Caps, and Bruins than the Islanders right now.
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It's very clear that the Islanders are a matchup nightmare for us at this time.

And I don't say that because I think they are elite. I think they are a good team but I think they do not have long term staying power either.

Good thing they didn't sign Panarin because with him they'd be lethal. Without him, I think they are a little starpower short of being true contenders, but their physical profile negates our strengths very nicely on their end.
 
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Machinehead said:
That's certainly a big part of it.

These guys have been skilled players their whole lives so that's immediately part of the package, and let's be honest, you can teach an ape to do the post-whistle stuff, as evidenced by the fact that the Caps have an actual mandrill in their lineup.

Learning effective systems in the NHL takes time.
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I think the Islanders are what they are and they embrace that.

Even taking Quinn out of the equation for a minute, the Rangers are a team that is still trying to determine what they actually have, let alone having complete buy-in to an identity.

Is that something that needs to happen? Absolutely. No doubt about it.

Is that something that was going to happen at this juncture? Eh, that's the debate.
 
Of the names we are hearing, I guess Gallant is my preference.

None of them are really that appealing and I'm hoping they can pull someone good out of a hat.

But if it's just these names then I guess Gallant. And so what if he's just a 2-3 year stopgap?

Maybe better long term names available by then.
 
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I keep coming back to Knoblauch. Incredibly successful as a head coach in juniors(298–130 in 7 seasons), assistant coach with the Flyers, good job in Hartford, solid filling in for Quinn.
 
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Edge said:
Truth be told, I really can't say I am broken up about losing Quinn. I think the timing is little iffy for me, but I really can't say the news of DQ being let go disappointed me.

I will admit that the Gorton and JD thing I do disagree with pretty strongly.
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I'm surprised of the hastiness of it... but I do not know of the inner workings/dialouge. I'm really surprised about JD.

The locker room/leadership was a mess. We were bullied by bigger teams and the final straw was our Superstar being ragdolled. Big no-no in Sather's world..

Politics may have played a role too... Does Drury see something he doesn't like while 'coaching'? Did he confide in it with Sather? Did it fall on deaf ears to Gorton and JD?

I can see the optimistic side of this season but I think management/coaching has been disastrous this season

It started at the top. Management, coaching and our vets let us down. The kids were the saving grace
 
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This is a mandrill, by the way.

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What a resemblance!
 
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