Confirmed with Link: David Quinn Dismissed

[Lone Ranger]

My votes for Nolan Ryan. you give him a bag of pucks and he'll nail every ref with 95 mile an hour heat after every bad call.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

What do you mean by win right away? Like SC win or make the playoffs win?

I think this roster will surprise a lot of people with proper coaching and some balancing. IMO we underachieved this season.

He means they weren't better than the four teams in their division this season and no coach was going to change that. This roster will balance out when the young players mature.

 

[Tob]

The critical next step is getting the kids more ice time with better line mates and PP time. It felt like that was never going to happen with Quinn. The only player who did get top 6 minutes with top 6 talent at EV and on the PP was Lafreniere for about 2 weeks in Quinn's 3 year Rangers career. It felt like a battle to get these kids the offensive support they needed in a difficult league.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

They’ll be shocked that other coaches change line during games and even good coaches have their teams get outplayed?

Or lean on their "guys" and struggle on the PP.

 

[duhmetreE]

Of the top four teams, who should we have been better than?

Is that the right question to ask? It's ok to not make the playoffs... but how we looked/played is the crux of the issue. How did we look in our 'playoff type' games down the stretch?

From our nightly effort, preparedness, roster choices, to everything offense, to skills, to faceoffs etc... Beating up on bad teams does not make everything OK. It's not good enough.

Individuals have looked good. Team has looked bad.

 

[Loff]

Thank you, based Chris.

 

[duhmetreE]

He means they weren't better than the four teams in their division this season and no coach was going to change that. This roster will balance out when the young players mature.

Yeah, I completely disagree

The glaring issues weren't the kids or youth.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Seems like Gallant getting a lot of smoke right now.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Yeah, I completely disagree

The glaring issues weren't the kids or youth.

Color it however you want, they weren't better than Boston, Pittsburgh, Washington or the Islanders. Nor were they meant to be this season. And when you have the youngest team in the league, and the young kids struggle that means your team struggles.

 

[Lion Hound]

Seems like Gallant getting a lot of smoke right now.

Seems to be the peoples choice here and on Twitter.

Not sure if he is actually linked to the NYR anywhere though. That I haven't seen by anyone on the beat or any one covering the NHL professionally.

 

[Edge]

Is that the right question to ask? It's ok to not make the playoffs... but how we looked/played is the crux of the issue. How did we look in our 'playoff type' games down the stretch?

From our nightly effort, preparedness, roster choices, to everything offense, to skills, to faceoffs etc... Beating up on bad teams does not make everything OK. It's not good enough.

Individuals have looked good. Team has looked bad.

I kind of feel like under the circumstances, it is.

Because we're likely a playoff in other divisions, or a full 82 game schedule.

I think we completely bombed against the Islanders. Before the Wilson incident, we often held our own pretty well against Washington, Boston, and even Pittsburgh.

I think we were roughly a middle of the road team. That means we tend to look better than the teams below us, and worse against the teams above us. In that sense, you're probably looking at a 7th or 8th seed under normal circumstances.

 

[HFBS]

Let's assume for a second that the team is very high on Knoblauch but wants him to coach a couple of years in the AHL. He appears to be more of a players coach. Would it not be a good idea to bring in someone like Hartley or Torts for a couple of years knowing Knoblauch could come in at that time and probably know quite a few players from his AHL time?

Do you really hire a top name NHL coach planning to replace him in 2 years with a predetermined choice?

 

[duhmetreE]

Color it however you want, they weren't better than Boston, Pittsburgh, Washington or the Islanders. Nor were they meant to be this season. And when you have the youngest team in the league, and the young kids struggle that means your team struggles.

Yeah I know that. That's why the entire staff has been gutted... because they have been perceived to underachieve.

Why did we beat the Islanders last year?
Why couldn't we beat Pittsburgh with an AHL defense?
Why couldn't we be better than Washington or Boston?

I know we weren't the better team this year. Why? Using 'youth' as the default answer is fallacious. Or any of the many excuses from this season. Roster balance and coaching are the GLARING issues.

Hopefully they are going to be addressed and handled by Drury.

 

[Edge]

Yeah, I completely disagree

The glaring issues weren't the kids or youth.

I honestly don't think another coach gets markedly better results from this group. I really don't.

I think the fans were 50/50 on whether this team should've made the playoffs. I think most coaches and observers were probably closer to 70/30.

But I don't know if there's any way to convince either side that the team was something other than what they've decided it was.

I look at this roster, I look at this season, this division, these matchups and the injuries and illness, and I just do not see a playoff team unless one of the other four teams completely shits the bed. I said that long before the season started. I didn't see anything to change my mind.

 

[duhmetreE]

I honestly don't think another coach gets markedly better results from this group. I really don't.

I think the fans were 50/50 on whether this team should've made the playoffs. I think most coaches and observers were probably closer to 70/30.

But I don't know if there's any way to convince either side that the team was something other than what they've decided it was.

I look at this roster, I look at this season, this division, these matchups and the injuries and illness, and I just do not see a playoff team unless one of the other four teams completely shits the bed. I said that long before the season started. I didn't see anything to change my mind.

I'm not talking about playoffs or where we sit in the standings.

I'm talking how this team looked on a nightly basis. If you do not think that could've been improved upon, I do not know what to say. If you think it's roster related, I agree there were some issues. But I cannot see how anyone thinks this team was properly coached

 

[romba]

Keeping an assistant forced onto the new coaching regime might turn off a potential candidate. Smart move. Let the new guy choose his own staff.

 

[Levitate]

Av did great things for years. By the end- i couldnt stand how soft we were and his smug gum chewing face. We had slow starts, guys weren’t responding, and he instilled a “turn the cheek” philosophy that infuriated me

Just look at this year in Philly...his system relies on outstanding goaltending and falls apart if the goaltender can't bail them out. Won't defend in front of the net, defense in general is terrible, constantly making excuses to the media...

AV's first few years were fine but it became apparent his style wasn't something that could last

I don't know, outside of instilling a blue collar work ethic: I think Torts is a bad fit with these guys.

Personal preference wise, I have no interest in players blocking shots with their faces. That or stifling offensive creativity.

Grind and Grit hockey is fine when needed. But you can't sustain it over an entire season(plus playoffs).

I think that was Tort's MO when he was with the Rangers but he Jackets weren't really like that. They played with skill and grit, so to that end I can see why he might be attractive to Dolan. But that was also a system that benefitted from the players Columbus had, he didn't just turn less physical players into amazing tough guys

 

[McRanger]

LOL, True.

And yet when I look back at say Torts, and I see 5 guys blocking shots, til they are exhausted, then a dump in and change to watch the next 5 guys block shots.

Or with AV where 3 or 4 Rangers are behind their own net covering 2 opposing players and one of those two still wins the puck. Or one opposing player carries the puck from deep in the O-zone to near the blue line and everyone on D is firehouse changing coverage to pick up all the wrong people.

I guess they at least had systems?

Pretty much. Its a pretty low bar but I generally expect to at least understand, even if I dont agree with, what a coach is trying to accomplish.

AV's man to man system was a disaster at times but the constantly moving players resulted in a very effective transition game, even the later AV years when almost nothing was going right the team could still score off the rush. And while his neutral zone game wasn't the tightest it created a decent about of counter attack and the players weren't ground to dust playing it.

Which of course is the opposite of Torts collapsing zone system (paired with an aggressive forecheck and relentless backchecking) which seemed designed to tire or injure everyone. But there was never doubt what he thought he was doing, out-exhausting the opposition while preventing shots from reaching the net.

Quinn's system? I have no idea. Almost all systems are designed to create turnovers. Either in the offensive zone by forechecking or in the neutral zone by obstruction. I genuinely have no idea what a "passive forechecking/trap hybrid with retreating D men" system is designed to do. Limit odd man rushes? I honestly don't know.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

This entire fiasco was so unavoidable. Instead of shoring up some weaknesses this offseason and solidifying the roster, they're dealing with a fiasco created by a spoiled child.

Being that Drury, a guy who learned under JD and JG, is the new GM? I fail to see how this is a fiasco.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Keeping an assistant forced onto the new coaching regime might turn off a potential candidate. Smart move. Let the new guy choose his own staff.

what if one of these coaches wants their own goalie coach

 

[will1066]

I'm not talking about playoffs or where we sit in the standings.

I'm talking how this team looked on a nightly basis. If you do not think that could've been improved upon, I do not know what to say. If you think it's roster related, I agree there were some issues. But I cannot see how anyone thinks this team was properly coached

You're answering your own question. It was not a team. It was a bunch of individuals who did brilliant things individually more so than playing a successful team game.

 

[Levitate]

I kind of feel like under the circumstances, it is.

Because we're likely a playoff in other divisions, or a full 82 game schedule.

I think we completely bombed against the Islanders. Before the Wilson incident, we often held our own pretty well against Washington, Boston, and even Pittsburgh.

I think we were roughly a middle of the road team. That means we tend to look better than the teams below us, and worse against the teams above us. In that sense, you're probably looking at a 7th or 8th seed under normal circumstances.

To some extent you don't have to be a top team int he league to win the cup, just the team that plays the hottest in the playoffs

but yeah this team probably isn't a hot streak in the playoffs away from the cup yet

 

[Zamboner]

Actually seems like the perfect amount of time of the David Quinn experience. Firing him earlier might have been hasty, yet any longer as coach would have been painful to watch. Seems like a decent dude, not a particularly good head coach, never developed an identity of any kind on either side of the puck, and wasn't great at developing the prospects, which should have been his greatest strength as College Coach goes to NHL to helm a rebuild. That said, I don't think he was terrible at anything, like there were certainly worse coaches that could have overseen the rebuild (and say ruined Kaako, or something horrifying like that in the process). No embarrassing moments as a coach (where AV had a few, and Torts was non-stop embarrassing), never truly lost the room either. He might just be an okay coach with a low ceiling. If he gets to do another rebuild maybe he'll get better. His time was up here, though.

 

[DaBadGuy7]

Any info on him?

 

[Edge]

I'm not talking about playoffs or where we sit in the standings.

I'm talking how this team looked on a nightly basis. If you do not think that could've been improved upon, I do not know what to say. If you think it's roster related, I agree there were some issues. But I cannot see how anyone thinks this team was properly coached

I think there were many different flaws, and many things that were the epitome of stap-gap or work-in-progress.

There were nights I thought this team gave glimpses into the future, and there were nights they looked like they didn't know the answers to the quiz.

I think another coach probably would've gotten more from some areas, less from others, but the overall product would've been eerily similar.

I think there were things Quinn could've and should've done, things DQ might've done, and some bounces that I wish I went our way earlier in the year.

But overall, I don't think what I saw was dramatically different than what I expected and more or less predicted.