Player Discussion David Pastrnak XIII -Report, Extension to be announced Today!

[UConn126]

I said it before, and will say it again.
If all Pasta wants is money, he is gone. This team won't max out his salary, but some team out there will.
If he's willing to get paid reasonable money, play in a great environment, with a competitive team, Donnie
will get it done. Pasta's only concern might be what if PB and DK retire after this year.

Management showed a willingness to pay fair market rate with McAvoy. I love Charlie, but 9.5 mil is not a team friendly deal. 4th highest paid d-man in the league, which he is a top 5 defensemen so it's not a bad contract, it's just not a great one either. Pasta and his goal scoring will be worth every penny. 11.5 cap hit would put him at the 4th highest paid forward. Only 10 forwards make over $10 mil currently. Tkatchuk seems like a decent comp with 9.5 mil cap hit deal he just signed coming off a 104 point season. IMO, Pasta under 10 mil would be a huge steal, and Pasta up to 11.5 will still be worth every penny and I think management knows that.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

This Bruins team is firing at all cylinders, has incredible depth and scoring up and down the lineup, but it's remarkable just by how far Pastrnak is leading the team in scoring.

16-18-34 in 23 games. That puts him 14 points and 7 goals clear of 2nd (Bergy). Prorated to the 23 games, Marchand and McAvoy are at pace with him in assists but would both still be comfortably behind him in goals and points (McAvoy's sample size isn't enough to be intellectually fair to compare either).

Pasta really is the straw that stirs the drink this year.

I suspect coming into the season that Sweeney & co might have had concerns about giving 10+ million to a winger who is dynamic offensively but maybe not a 2-way driver on his line or whatever. But I think the first quarter of the season has laid those concerns to rest. He is absolutely the straw that stirs the drink offensively on this team and he's dangerous with whoever he's on the ice with and makes everyone around him better. He's a truly elite player.

 

[goldnblack]

I suspect coming into the season that Sweeney & co might have had concerns about giving 10+ million to a winger who is dynamic offensively but maybe not a 2-way driver on his line or whatever. But I think the first quarter of the season has laid those concerns to rest. He is absolutely the straw that stirs the drink offensively on this team and he's dangerous with whoever he's on the ice with and makes everyone around him better. He's a truly elite player.

Well they'll have no choice.

They won't trade him before the deadline with the team playing like this. And once the deadline passes he's got so much leverage. He's getting what he wants.

 

[LouJersey]

I'll be shocked if he signs any time soon

No point now, they blew it.

I do think he will sign once he is involved more...Agent clearly pushing for UFA status IMO, just a matter if the Bruins meet his number or not. I am interested in what happens if they win the cup, which I think they will.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I suspect coming into the season that Sweeney & co might have had concerns about giving 10+ million to a winger who is dynamic offensively but maybe not a 2-way driver on his line or whatever. But I think the first quarter of the season has laid those concerns to rest. He is absolutely the straw that stirs the drink offensively on this team and he's dangerous with whoever he's on the ice with and makes everyone around him better. He's a truly elite player.

He's never gonna be much more than average defensively, but he's been the one driving the offense of any line he's on for 5 years now.

It's no coincidence that Marchand jumped .50 PPG and Bergeron .3-.4 PPG when Pasta joined them.

 

[13Hockey]

If they where waiting on next years salary cap number before signing Pasta

seems like they have there answer now

83.5

 

[Sheppy]

I'm so nervous about this.

 

[JAD]

Didn't Dom mention something about a tagging rule that affects rosters if signed before a certain date in March? If they wait until after that date in March it's better for the team because then the tagging rule won't apply. I don't know a whole lot about it; maybe someone could explain again how it all works. But my guess and hope is they already have an agreement but are waiting until the timing is right.

 

[Oates2Neely]

 

[Therick67]

Get it done Donny...

 

[Sheppy]

8 years @ $10.75M is what i'd like to see

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Guys. Take a breath. It was meant to be an optimistic thought. I never said 'selfish' nor did I actually say/nor think that Pasta is ego driven in that regard. (Some players are - we've all seen that) I also fully understand the money is real.

Just was wondering if the Bruins start to the season might be a selling point in getting his cap-hit a bit lower than he'd otherwise be worth. We've seen other great players do that - Crosby, Bergeron, Stamkos, etc. -
Or if his amazing play this season is just going to keep adding to it.

If anything, the latter. He's proven almost time and time again, he's the piece that makes things go.

I still think he wants to know long term what the team has... I do find it pretty worrisome it's almost Christmas, and Donny "We're going to pursue him aggressively" Sweeney has both publicly seemed to lessen that stance. It went from "we will aggressively try and re-sign him" to "we exchanged some numbers, but we're not worried we can start the season without a contract".

Sorry cherry picked some articles for a rough timeline.
July: Aggressive mindset: Don Sweeney: Bruins have 'aggressive mindset' in David Pastrnak contract talks
August: Next on to-do list: David Pastrnak negotiations next item on Bruin to-do list
September: Sounds like a mutual agreement, 4 months ago 'I love it here': David Pastrnak expresses desire to remain with Bruins entering contract year
October: Season starts, no timeline? Sweeney says Bruins haven't changed their stance, well, what is/was their stance? 'No Timeline' For David Pastrnak As Bruins Working To Get Something Done
December (couldn't find any November articles, because the Bruins were too busy dealing with signing and then re-negging on a deal with Mitch Miller) Bruins also continue being one of the hottest teams in the league: Agent: Contract Extension Talks For David Pastrnak Remain Ongoing

So they are talking every day, kind of sounds like both sides have their feet planted in the ground where they are at, and waiting for the other side to budge. Here's the thing, if it's money. Pastrnak knows he can get it. Maybe less taxes elsewhere. If it's winning? The team is doing that, but including himself, potentially losing him, Bergeron, Krejci, Zacha all without deals next year. So what's the sticking point? A hypothetical lockout protection? Are the players/NHLPA thinking this is gonna happen again? Is he seeing if they can get him a long term center? Is it something else?

All I do know, is right now, he's the guy. He makes the offense tick. He's not perfect, but he's a very important player in this franchise.

All we want for Christmas is a signed longterm Pastrnak.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

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8 x 11 = 88 so that tracks

 

[Patdud]

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"people" - Fluto

are these the same insiders who told him pasta was mad at the mean old sweens?

 

[rocketdan9]

8 years @ $10.75M is what i'd like to see

Naw... has to be 8 x 11.1m per

88.8m total

So then Pasta can build a mansion with a large front gate - 88

Hope they hammer it soon. Want to see Zacha, Frederic and Clifton resigned soon after/when allowed

 

[JAD]

I don't know how relevant all this is to resigning David Pastrnak.

There's a restriction to the amount of cap hits the team can add for next season under what's called the CBA's “tagging rule.” Teams can sign contract extensions (or add cap hits) for next season with a value not exceeding the sum of (a) the team's cap room this season and (b) the value of their expiring NHL contracts.
I found this article from a couple of years ago:

What is Tagging or “Tagged Payroll Room” in the NHL CBA, Article 50.5?: Jakob Silfverberg

Last night, NBC Wednesday Night Hockey discussed the Anaheim Ducks’ re-signing of Jakob Silfverberg. While it appears that Silfverberg has re-signed to a 5-year extension worth $5.25 million per se…

thehattrickherald.com

Under Article 50.5 of the 2013 NHL Collective Bargaining Agreement, any team that is trying to re-sign a player to a multi-year contract after December 1 needs to have “Payroll Room.” Basically, Payroll Room is the difference between the cap ceiling and the total amount of all Average Annual Values (“AAV”) and bonuses for the team’s one-way contract players, any deferred bonuses applicable during the current season, any buyout amounts, any outstanding offer sheets, any qualifying offers, or any money earned from two-way players while those players are playng in the NHL.
So, if a team wants to re-sign a player, the difference between the team’s Payroll Room and the cap ceiling must exceed the amount of the AAV of the player’s contract. For those who keep up with NHL Free Agency, this isn’t a hard concept: you have to have cap space for the player to acquire him.
But in the world of extensions, it gets a bit trickier. In order to sign a player to an extension, the team needs enough of that difference to be able to afford his AAV this season. However, if the team does not have enough cap space from this difference, then the team may pull from any available cap space received from the expiration of the AAVs of its other players’ contracts at the end of the season so long as the cap space received would accommodate the player’s AAV after re-signing after the space is added to the existing difference in cap space.
For example:
If a team has $2 million in current cap space after Payroll Room is calculated, and that team wants to re-sign a player to a 3-year extension worth $3 million AAV, then it can do so if the team has at least one other player whose contract is worth at least $1 million, and that player’s contract expires at the end of the season. Thus, $2 million in current space + $1 million in expiring space = enough for the new $3 million AAV of the player. This $3 million would then be “tagged.
If the team is trying to extend multiple players, it works exactly the same, except that the total amount of money available from the current cap space and the total amount of expiring contracts will also have the amount of AAV from previous players’ extensions subtracted from it.
Darren Dreger has noted that on March 1 of each year, every team gets 10% more tagging room, which is stated in Exhibit 16 of the 2013 NHL CBA.
So, if a team wants to re-sign a player, the difference between the team’s Payroll Room and the cap ceiling must exceed the amount of the AAV of the player’s contract. For those who keep up with NHL Free Agency, this isn’t a hard concept: you have to have cap space for

 

[Gee Wally]

I don't know how relevant all this is to resigning David Pastrnak.

There's a restriction to the amount of cap hits the team can add for next season under what's called the CBA's “tagging rule.” Teams can sign contract extensions (or add cap hits) for next season with a value not exceeding the sum of (a) the team's cap room this season and (b) the value of their expiring NHL contracts.
I found this article from a couple of years ago:

What is Tagging or “Tagged Payroll Room” in the NHL CBA, Article 50.5?: Jakob Silfverberg

Last night, NBC Wednesday Night Hockey discussed the Anaheim Ducks’ re-signing of Jakob Silfverberg. While it appears that Silfverberg has re-signed to a 5-year extension worth $5.25 million per se…

thehattrickherald.com

Under Article 50.5 of the 2013 NHL Collective Bargaining Agreement, any team that is trying to re-sign a player to a multi-year contract after December 1 needs to have “Payroll Room.” Basically, Payroll Room is the difference between the cap ceiling and the total amount of all Average Annual Values (“AAV”) and bonuses for the team’s one-way contract players, any deferred bonuses applicable during the current season, any buyout amounts, any outstanding offer sheets, any qualifying offers, or any money earned from two-way players while those players are playng in the NHL.
So, if a team wants to re-sign a player, the difference between the team’s Payroll Room and the cap ceiling must exceed the amount of the AAV of the player’s contract. For those who keep up with NHL Free Agency, this isn’t a hard concept: you have to have cap space for the player to acquire him.
But in the world of extensions, it gets a bit trickier. In order to sign a player to an extension, the team needs enough of that difference to be able to afford his AAV this season. However, if the team does not have enough cap space from this difference, then the team may pull from any available cap space received from the expiration of the AAVs of its other players’ contracts at the end of the season so long as the cap space received would accommodate the player’s AAV after re-signing after the space is added to the existing difference in cap space.
For example:
If a team has $2 million in current cap space after Payroll Room is calculated, and that team wants to re-sign a player to a 3-year extension worth $3 million AAV, then it can do so if the team has at least one other player whose contract is worth at least $1 million, and that player’s contract expires at the end of the season. Thus, $2 million in current space + $1 million in expiring space = enough for the new $3 million AAV of the player. This $3 million would then be “tagged.
If the team is trying to extend multiple players, it works exactly the same, except that the total amount of money available from the current cap space and the total amount of expiring contracts will also have the amount of AAV from previous players’ extensions subtracted from it.
Darren Dreger has noted that on March 1 of each year, every team gets 10% more tagging room, which is stated in Exhibit 16 of the 2013 NHL CBA.
So, if a team wants to re-sign a player, the difference between the team’s Payroll Room and the cap ceiling must exceed the amount of the AAV of the player’s contract. For those who keep up with NHL Free Agency, this isn’t a hard concept: you have to have cap space for

If I read it correctly, I dont think re-signing him is an issue in regard to tagging.
Currently the Bruins have about 27 million in expiring AAV.

 

[UConn126]

I'm so nervous about this.

Yeah. Pasta is my favorite player. He's so fun to watch on and off the ice. Great personality to have on your team, especially when he's a top goal scorer.

After watching the 09-10 season where the team could barely score, with only Sturm hitting 20 goals, I've never taken our scorers for granted. Pasta will be impossible to replace.

The good news about the cap increase going down from 4 mil to 1 is every one of his potential suitors bidding power just went down. The bad news is when (I'm confident) Pasta signs, there's not going to be much room to do anything else.

 

[quietbruinfan]

On Felger and Mazz, Jimmy Stewart, one of the producers, just said re-signing Pasta depends on getting Horvat or another top center for him. Pasta is a smart cookie. That would be the most important thing to me beyond straight contract cash.
I do not trust Sweeney to get it all done. It does explain why, according to Pagnotta sp at the Fourth Period,"they are sniffing around Toews again. He has been washed up for three or four years, not a good option, but I take him if it means keeping Pasta.

 

[NDiesel]

On Felger and Mazz, Jimmy Stewart, one of the producers, just said re-signing Pasta depends on getting Horvat or another top six center for him. Pasta is a smart cookie. That would be the most important thing to me beyond straight contract cash.
I do not trust Sweeney to get it all done. It does explain why according to Pagnotta sp at the Fourth Period"they are sniffing around Toews again. He has been washed up for three or four years, not a good option, but I take him if it means keeping Pasta.

I haven't watched Toews this year, but is he really that much better than Coyle/Zacha? 15 points for him in 26 games, not playing with great linemates this year but getting exposure to Kane on the PP, whereas Zacha has 19 in 28 games with minimal 2ndPP time, with Coyle getting 14 in 28 games with only 2ndPP time as well.

I hope Pasta realizes that getting him the center next year is a hard ask, but I think the season after, especially if the cap goes up more, it could really happen.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I haven't watched Toews this year, but is he really that much better than Coyle/Zacha? 15 points for him in 26 games, not playing with great linemates this year but getting exposure to Kane on the PP, whereas Zacha has 19 in 28 games with minimal 2ndPP time, with Coyle getting 14 in 28 games with only 2ndPP time as well.

I hope Pasta realizes that getting him the center next year is a hard ask, but I think the season after, especially if the cap goes up more, it could really happen.

Trade whomever you have to trade to get Pasta his center. Easier said than done, but I think that highly of Pasta.

 

[NDiesel]

Trade whomever you have to trade to get Pasta his center. Easier said than done, but I think that highly of Pasta.

Of course I agree, I'm just wondering does Pasta really think Toews is that guy? Horvat makes sense, age wise especially.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Of course I agree, I'm just wondering does Pasta really think Toews is that guy? Horvat makes sense, age wise especially.

I am just making the connection. Pagnotta and Weei just came out with the Toews rumor. I do not know what Pasta thinks, but I can see it as a typical Sweeney court of last resort move. Bruins have reportedly ‘inquired’ about Jonathan Toews

 

[McGarnagle]

I am just making the connection. Pagnotta and Weei just came out with the Toews rumor. I do not know what Pasta thinks, but I can see it as a typical Sweeney court of last resort move. Bruins have reportedly ‘inquired’ about Jonathan Toews

They could've used Toews last month, he would've brought his experience to help the organization cover up the Mitchell Miller incident.

 

[quietbruinfan]

They could've used Toews last month, he would've brought his experience to help the organization cover up the Mitchell Miller incident.

lol