Player Discussion David Pastrnak XIII -Report, Extension to be announced Today!

[ON3M4N]

Horvat signed for 8.5 for 8 years. Is Pasta not a comparable to him? The money for Pasta should now be going down.

Not really. Horvat = Center / Pastrnak = Winger. Pastrnak also is an elite goal scorer, where has Horvat is more of a two-way forward.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Not really. Horvat = Center / Pastrnak = Winger. Pastrnak also is an elite goal scorer, where has Horvat is more of a two-way forward.

Calling Horvat a 2 way forward is a huge stretch.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Not really. Horvat = Center / Pastrnak = Winger. Pastrnak also is an elite goal scorer, where has Horvat is more of a two-way forward.

How about Tkachuk as a proper comparison? Not the same style of player, but both high end wingers.

Signed for 9.5 after being on his new team for less than a day?

Now, I think Pastrnak at 9.5 is a pipe dream at this point, but end of the day, hope both sides can come out with a deal they are happy with.

If Pastrnak wants to chase the money, there's really nothing we can do. If we are squabbling over .5-1M right now... one side has to budge.

I will be very disappointed if Pastrnak is not a Bruin in October.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

How about Tkachuk as a proper comparison? Not the same style of player, but both high end wingers.

Signed for 9.5 after being on his new team for less than a day?

Now, I think Pastrnak at 9.5 is a pipe dream at this point, but end of the day, hope both sides can come out with a deal they are happy with.

If Pastrnak wants to chase the money, there's really nothing we can do. If we are squabbling over .5-1M right now... one side has to budge.

I will be very disappointed if Pastrnak is not a Bruin in October.

Tkachuk would've gotten more if he was a pending UFA, dont forget he had less bargaining power since he was still an RFA. Even then, he only has 1.5 seasons near Pastrnak's level

 

[Patdud]

How about Tkachuk as a proper comparison? Not the same style of player, but both high end wingers.

RFA vs UFA

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Tkachuk would've gotten more if he was a pending UFA, dont forget he had less bargaining power since he was still an RFA. Even then, he only has 1.5 seasons near Pastrnak's level

He also got enormous bonuses and no state tax. $68M of his $76M contract is in bonuses - salary only $1M per year. This is what people mean when they say the AAV isn't the only issue - it's also the structure of the deal.

 

[TD Charlie]

Horvat signed for 8.5 for 8 years. Is Pasta not a comparable to him? The money for Pasta should now be going down.

If we are using Horvat as the comp, Pastrnak gets 14

 

[bruinshoper]

My issue with the Pasta negotiation is that it sounds like they're being pushed to the point where they are sacrificing their culture.

Chara, Marchand, Bergeron... they all sacrificed for the greater good, to win. If reports are to be believed, Pasta, who "doesn't play hockey for money," is pushing the Bruins to a place they don't want go. I assume that means it's a number that doesn't jive with the greater good.

Also, as the article states, the best weapon in a negotiation is the willingness to walk away. If the Bruins don't have a point at which they'll walk away, then they're going to get put over a barrel.

I know we all love Pasta, but signing him could mean breaking the culture that legends like Bergeron have built. That gives me pause.

Excellent post.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

RFA vs UFA

1 year RFA. He could have held out if he wanted the money.

Just saying, 9.5 for an elite winger during 7 of the 8 of the same UFA years, isn't that much of a stretch.

 

[DKH]

What comes first, world peace or re-signing Pasta?

Pastrnak has been grinding away and not talked to agent in awhile I believe he said.

Then when he was going to meet up at ASG and discuss his contract with Barry, I’m sure something like Kevin Fiala bought another round and began showing pasta puppy vids

Hey I’m not worried - Bruins can pay him the most and he became a man here

Nobody seems worried in the media

Every day is a possible Pasta day

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

My issue with the Pasta negotiation is that it sounds like they're being pushed to the point where they are sacrificing their culture.

Chara, Marchand, Bergeron... they all sacrificed for the greater good, to win. If reports are to be believed, Pasta, who "doesn't play hockey for money," is pushing the Bruins to a place they don't want go. I assume that means it's a number that doesn't jive with the greater good.

Also, as the article states, the best weapon in a negotiation is the willingness to walk away. If the Bruins don't have a point at which they'll walk away, then they're going to get put over a barrel.

I know we all love Pasta, but signing him could mean breaking the culture that legends like Bergeron have built. That gives me pause.

Sorry, this notion is starting to bug me. Yes, Bergeron left some money on the table, but Chara and Marchand didnt.

Chara signed in 2006 $7.5m against a $44m cap. He took the top dollar and 17% of the cap. Easy to take a small discount on subsequent deals after you already cashed in
Marchand signed for essentially his max value, leaving at most $1m a year on the table. Dont forget Marchand didnt turn into Marchand until after he signed his current deal. He was still a 25g/50p PK weapon.

Why are some ignoring the fact that Pastrnak has already given the Bruins a discount on his current contract? What great pieces did they bring in with that extra space? Smith, Coyle, Foligno, Forbort? Yeah, lets let Pasta walk to sign more of those guys.

 

[Patdud]

Sorry, this notion is starting to bug me. Yes, Bergeron left some money on the table, but Chara and Marchand didnt.

Chara signed in 2006 $7.5m against a $44m cap. He took the top dollar and 17% of the cap. Easy to take a small discount on subsequent deals after you already cashed in
Marchand signed for essentially his max value, leaving at most $1m a year on the table. Dont forget Marchand didnt turn into Marchand until after he signed his current deal. He was still a 25g/50p PK weapon.

Why are some ignoring the fact that Pastrnak has already given the Bruins a discount on his current contract? What great pieces did they bring in with that extra space? Smith, Coyle, Foligno, Forbort? Yeah, lets let Pasta walk to sign more of those guys.

I honestly wouldn't say Bergy left TOO much on the table. at the time he was the defacto 2nd line center and his cap hit was 11/12%. Krug was 100% right when he pushed back against the narrative to the media.

 

[DKH]

Not really worried. He’ll sign eventually.

Agree

I won’t go ‘uh oh’ until he’s not signed Trade Deadline Day

Sweeney really needs to know what he’s getting going into that week

Sorry, this notion is starting to bug me. Yes, Bergeron left some money on the table, but Chara and Marchand didnt.

Chara signed in 2006 $7.5m against a $44m cap. He took the top dollar and 17% of the cap. Easy to take a small discount on subsequent deals after you already cashed in
Marchand signed for essentially his max value, leaving at most $1m a year on the table. Dont forget Marchand didnt turn into Marchand until after he signed his current deal. He was still a 25g/50p PK weapon.

Why are some ignoring the fact that Pastrnak has already given the Bruins a discount on his current contract? What great pieces did they bring in with that extra space? Smith, Coyle, Foligno, Forbort? Yeah, let’s let Pasta walk to sign more of those guys.

Marchand and Chara when the deals happened pretty sure prevailing wisdom was they left money on the table

Maybe I didn’t and misremembering but I can check the Marchand archives here and see how we all looked at it

You may be right but I thought he took less

 

[DKH]

Player Discussion - Brad Marchand IV - CONFIRMED signed 8 years @ 6.125/yr

So a cap of 6.125? Long term but I'll take it for sure. Glad that's done no more Crosby taking merchy away talk.

forums.hfboards.com

Page 28-29 contract announced and universal Marchand took a discount

 

[KrejciMVP]

Sorry, this notion is starting to bug me. Yes, Bergeron left some money on the table, but Chara and Marchand didnt.

Chara signed in 2006 $7.5m against a $44m cap. He took the top dollar and 17% of the cap. Easy to take a small discount on subsequent deals after you already cashed in
Marchand signed for essentially his max value, leaving at most $1m a year on the table. Dont forget Marchand didnt turn into Marchand until after he signed his current deal. He was still a 25g/50p PK weapon.

Why are some ignoring the fact that Pastrnak has already given the Bruins a discount on his current contract? What great pieces did they bring in with that extra space? Smith, Coyle, Foligno, Forbort? Yeah, lets let Pasta walk to sign more of those guys.

The whole Pasta should take a discount notion while Sweeney overpays JAG after JAG is just so ridiculous. How about telling those Jags to take a discount as the produce very little compared to Pasta

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

The whole Pasta should take a discount notion while Sweeney overpays JAG after JAG is just so ridiculous. How about telling those Jags to take a discount as the produce very little compared to Pasta

That's the team spirit

 

[vjcsmoke]

The whole Pasta should take a discount notion while Sweeney overpays JAG after JAG is just so ridiculous. How about telling those Jags to take a discount as the produce very little compared to Pasta

I'm gonna call it now 10 years/115 million dollars for Pastrnak.

His closest comp as a winger would be Artemi Panarin who makes 11.5m per year and frankly Pastrnak is better.

I think Pastrnak gets paid just short of very top centerman money, and he deserves every penny.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

I'm gonna call it now 10 years/115 million dollars for Pastrnak.

I'm gonna call it now that 100% without a doubt is not going to be what the contract looks like.

 

[vjcsmoke]

I'm gonna call it now that 100% without a doubt is not going to be what the contract looks like.

Higher or lower?

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Higher or lower?

Considering 8 years is the max you can offer a player on a re-sign I'm gonna say total compensation is lower than what your guess is.

 

[danpantz]

Higher or lower?

Less years guaranteed

 

[PlayMakers]

Sorry, this notion is starting to bug me. Yes, Bergeron left some money on the table, but Chara and Marchand didnt.

Chara signed in 2006 $7.5m against a $44m cap. He took the top dollar and 17% of the cap. Easy to take a small discount on subsequent deals after you already cashed in
Marchand signed for essentially his max value, leaving at most $1m a year on the table. Dont forget Marchand didnt turn into Marchand until after he signed his current deal. He was still a 25g/50p PK weapon.

The culture wasn't The Culture until Chara and Bergeron made it that way. Chara signed for top dollar as a UFA out of Ottawa, but he immediately took a pay cut after the Bruins won the Cup. The cap was higher and he would have been a UFA and he signed for less than he was making, less than what he signed for 5 years earlier. Bergeron and Marchand both took discounts. Try telling Marchand he didn't leave money on the table. Clearly HE believes he took a discount. He'd know best. I think McAvoy left money on the table... he signed for a little less than Werenski when he could have set the bar at $10.5.

Fwiw, I don't think anyone is expecting Pasta to sign for $8m. Just that he not push to be the highest paid player or winger in the league. $11m would be a McAvoy-esque number, I think. Panarin makes a bit more, but really the only guys above Panarin are McDavid and MacKinnon.

 

[22Brad Park]

The culture wasn't The Culture until Chara and Bergeron made it that way. Chara signed for top dollar as a UFA out of Ottawa, but he immediately took a pay cut after the Bruins won the Cup. The cap was higher and he would have been a UFA and he signed for less than he was making, less than what he signed for 5 years earlier. Bergeron and Marchand both took discounts. Try telling Marchand he didn't leave money on the table. Clearly HE believes he took a discount. He'd know best. I think McAvoy left money on the table... he signed for a little less than Werenski when he could have set the bar at $10.5.

Fwiw, I don't think anyone is expecting Pasta to sign for $8m. Just that he not push to be the highest paid player or winger in the league. $11m would be a McAvoy-esque number, I think. Panarin makes a bit more, but really the only guys above Panarin are McDavid and MacKinnon.

I read an article today on Athletic saying it's gonna hurt but he signing in Boston that financial part is real close now.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I read an article today on Athletic saying it's gonna hurt but he signing in Boston that financial part is real close now.

How illuminating.

That's about the forty-seventh time that's been reported.

"Reported."



Sorry I should duck out of this thread.

 

[PlayMakers]

The whole Pasta should take a discount notion while Sweeney overpays JAG after JAG is just so ridiculous. How about telling those Jags to take a discount as the produce very little compared to Pasta

The whole overpaid JAG thing is a straw man argument. Just because they save money on McAvoy and Pasta (and Bergeron and Marchand) doesn't mean they will spend it on overpaid JAGs. Maybe that money will go to a Swayman or DeBrusk extension. And even if that's what they've done in the past, they've been to two Cup Finals since Chara gave the team a discount so even if they haven't always spent the savings the way we'd all like, they have been successful with the model.