Player Discussion David Pastrnak XIII -Report, Extension to be announced Today!

[PlayMakers]

I read an article today on Athletic saying it's gonna hurt but he signing in Boston that financial part is real close now.

Fingers crossed.

 

[22Brad Park]

How illuminating.

That's about the forty-seventh time that's been reported.

"Reported."



Sorry I should duck out of this thread.

There no doubt in my mind he will stay with Bruins but hey If articles like that keep popping up I use moddo where there smoke there fire

 

[DKH]

The whole Pasta should take a discount notion while Sweeney overpays JAG after JAG is just so ridiculous. How about telling those Jags to take a discount as the produce very little compared to Pasta

You said this yesterday (yawn)

 

[EverettMike]

The culture wasn't The Culture until Chara and Bergeron made it that way. Chara signed for top dollar as a UFA out of Ottawa, but he immediately took a pay cut after the Bruins won the Cup. The cap was higher and he would have been a UFA and he signed for less than he was making, less than what he signed for 5 years earlier. Bergeron and Marchand both took discounts. Try telling Marchand he didn't leave money on the table. Clearly HE believes he took a discount. He'd know best. I think McAvoy left money on the table... he signed for a little less than Werenski when he could have set the bar at $10.5.

Fwiw, I don't think anyone is expecting Pasta to sign for $8m. Just that he not push to be the highest paid player or winger in the league. $11m would be a McAvoy-esque number, I think. Panarin makes a bit more, but really the only guys above Panarin are McDavid and MacKinnon.

I think, objectively, pushing for the best contract you can get is just as commendable as taking a discount. You maximize your own limited time to make big money as a professional athlete, putting your own family's financial future in a better spot. And you help push salaries up for other stars who might feel unfair pressure to "help out" the team.

If you value that more than helping your team be marginally more competitive that's not worthy of scorn in anyway.

 

[Number8]

I haven’t weighed in much other that to ask people who are giving Pasta shit for leveraging his situation to please stop. He’s been a great player, a great character, and he’s been good to Boston.

Also, this conversation about “culture” is silly in my book.

The guys who signed what could be considered team friendly deals to some extent (Chara, Bergeron, Marchand) had one thing that Pasta did not. For those who need a hint, it happened in 2011. When you are already rich, have a room of guys you love playing with, and already have your name on the Cup — it probably is a bit easier to look at the big picture.

The other star on our team who signed a big deal recently was Charlie Mac (not counting HL) and he didn’t go slumming. I fail to see how that negatively impacted the culture.

After this year — unless Boston addresses the Center issue — the best bet for Pasta to win a Cup is realistically not in Boston.

I don’t see him demanding a trade this year! He’ll give everything he’s got to win a Cup in Boston this season you can bet.

After that, if he’s going to re-up in Boston — he should go for the money. He’s earned that right with his awesome talent and play.

If we win this year (and he’s not signed) maybe he looks at things differently. Leave some money on the table to get a #1 Center when Bergie leaves soon.

Team friendly deals are easier to sign when you aren’t in THE window where you can maximize your biggest deal and when you’ve already WON the Cup.

I think Pasta will sign. But he doesn’t owe Boston, the Bruins, or the Culture any huge favors.

 

[danpantz]

Him and McAvoy have been splitting the third A this season right?

Clearly they must think of him as a leader in that room.

 

[Ladyfan]

Him and McAvoy have been splitting the third A this season right?

Clearly they must think of him as a leader in that room.

Yes. IMO (from where I sit) Pasta is developing into a team leader. Also, Pasta has a huge positive attitude and personality that adds so much to the team.

Pay the kid, sit back and enjoy the ride.

 

[dredeye]

The culture wasn't The Culture until Chara and Bergeron made it that way. Chara signed for top dollar as a UFA out of Ottawa, but he immediately took a pay cut after the Bruins won the Cup. The cap was higher and he would have been a UFA and he signed for less than he was making, less than what he signed for 5 years earlier. Bergeron and Marchand both took discounts. Try telling Marchand he didn't leave money on the table. Clearly HE believes he took a discount. He'd know best. I think McAvoy left money on the table... he signed for a little less than Werenski when he could have set the bar at $10.5.

Fwiw, I don't think anyone is expecting Pasta to sign for $8m. Just that he not push to be the highest paid player or winger in the league. $11m would be a McAvoy-esque number, I think. Panarin makes a bit more, but really the only guys above Panarin are McDavid and MacKinnon.

I don’t disagree with most of this except IMo Mac did not take any kind of discount.

 

[DKH]

Going $12.25 M (twice Marchand contract)

 

[PlayMakers]

I think, objectively, pushing for the best contract you can get is just as commendable as taking a discount. You maximize your own limited time to make big money as a professional athlete, putting your own family's financial future in a better spot. And you help push salaries up for other stars who might feel unfair pressure to "help out" the team.

If you value that more than helping your team be marginally more competitive that's not worthy of scorn in anyway.

Fwiw, I'm not scorning Pasta. I wouldn't begrudge him for chasing top dollar, just like I don't hold a grudge against Krug. I'm just considering the alternative that paying him top dollar may not be the best thing for the Bruins. Not because he's not a good player or a bad person, but because it might compromise the culture.

 

[Fair Warning]

For all this talk about culture — the Bruins have 1 cup in the last 51 years.

You pay your best players. Pay the man.

 

[PlayMakers]

We sign 2-3 JAGS to big deals every offseason it seems.

Ridiculously tight with our own players see Bergy and Marchand but happy to overpay Beleskeys and Backes types.

Give me the Tampa model where the money is tied up at the top of the roster and you have to fill out the bottom 6 with ELCs and guys on prove it 1 year deals for the minimum.

Tampa refused to pay Stamkos top dollar so it's not like they set a new bar with every signing. Tampa's highest paid player is 18th in the NHL. If Pasta signs for $11m he'll be top5. If he signs for $12m he'll be top3.

Fwiw, I would agree that I prefer we spend the savings on higher end players instead of the bottom roster guys. Hopefully, the lack of cap next year will force them to fill those spots with prospects and show them that you can backfill on the cheap.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Tampa refused to pay Stamkos top dollar so it's not like they set a new bar with every signing. Tampa's highest paid player is 18th in the NHL. If Pasta signs for $11m he'll be top5. If he signs for $12m he'll be top3.

Fwiw, I would agree that I prefer we spend the savings on higher end players instead of the bottom roster guys. Hopefully, the lack of cap next year will force them to fill those spots with prospects and show them that you can backfill on the cheap.

Higher end players like who? They haven't made a splash FA signing since 2006 and top talent rarely hits FA anymore.

We always hear, don't overpay so you can sign FA stars, but that's not reality

So we let Pasta walk and we end up with a bunch of middle 6 JAGs and drop to the purgatory of not good enough for ping pong balls and just good enough to snag an 8th seed and get waxed in the 1st round

 

[slim399]

I would imagine the Bruins offered him the same 8 year x 9.5mill deal McAvoy signed. Pitching the idea of the two them leading the team for the next decade. Pasta’s agent probably came back with that he is a super star and deserves more. Bruins have probably come up to 10mill over time with hoping to come to an agreement at that or 10.5mill. Meanwhile Pasta just keeps getting better and the price keeps going up. He could probably get 12mill on the open market, so technically the 8 year 11mill deal they will settle at will be the so called team discount they have grown to expect.

 

[PlayMakers]

Higher end players like who? They haven't made a splash FA signing since 2006 and top talent rarely hits FA anymore.

We always hear, don't overpay so you can sign FA stars, but that's not reality

So we let Pasta walk and we end up with a bunch of middle 6 JAGs and drop to the purgatory of not good enough for ping pong balls and just good enough to snag an 8th seed and get waxed in the 1st round

Higher end players like DeBrusk and Swayman.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Higher end players like DeBrusk and Swayman.

Yeah, I'll take 1 Pastrnak over them any day of the week.

Ullmark has 3 more years and DeBrusk scores as many points as Pastrnak does goals

 

[PlayMakers]

Yeah, I'll take 1 Pastrnak over them any day of the week.

Ullmark has 3 more years and DeBrusk scores as many points as Pastrnak does goals

I was talking about what they do with the savings from Bergeron, Marchand, McAvoy and hopefully Pasta. i.e. Instead of spending it on a UFA like Foligno they go with Lauko and spend it on extending DeBrusk or Swayman.

I wasn't suggesting they replace Pasta with DeBrusk and Swayman.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

We always hear, don't overpay so you can sign FA stars, but that's not reality

Incorrect.

You want the hometown discounts on your top guys so you can sign quality depth(which the Bruins sometimes struggle to do).

"FA stars" almost always command top dollar. You don't usually get the deals on the top guys via FA.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

So we’re at what, $17M now? $18M? How much does it go up per day?

I’m going to say it goes up 100k per day. We’re 124 days since the season started. That puts us at: 12.4M.

He’s coming off 6M so we’re now going to have to pay Pasta 18.4M!!!!!!!!

god damnit, Sweeney. Shouldah did it soonah

 

[DKH]

Marchand $6.125 M, Pastrnak $12.250 M

 

[Tbaybruin]

I haven’t weighed in much other that to ask people who are giving Pasta shit for leveraging his situation to please stop. He’s been a great player, a great character, and he’s been good to Boston.

Also, this conversation about “culture” is silly in my book.

The guys who signed what could be considered team friendly deals to some extent (Chara, Bergeron, Marchand) had one thing that Pasta did not. For those who need a hint, it happened in 2011. When you are already rich, have a room of guys you love playing with, and already have your name on the Cup — it probably is a bit easier to look at the big picture.

The other star on our team who signed a big deal recently was Charlie Mac (not counting HL) and he didn’t go slumming. I fail to see how that negatively impacted the culture.

After this year — unless Boston addresses the Center issue — the best bet for Pasta to win a Cup is realistically not in Boston.

I don’t see him demanding a trade this year! He’ll give everything he’s got to win a Cup in Boston this season you can bet.

After that, if he’s going to re-up in Boston — he should go for the money. He’s earned that right with his awesome talent and play.

If we win this year (and he’s not signed) maybe he looks at things differently. Leave some money on the table to get a #1 Center when Bergie leaves soon.

Team friendly deals are easier to sign when you aren’t in THE window where you can maximize your biggest deal and when you’ve already WON the Cup.

I think Pasta will sign. But he doesn’t owe Boston, the Bruins, or the Culture any huge favors.

I see your points but the reality is take a little less so you can sign a couple of better players so you have a better chance at winning. Look at Toronto and Boston the difference is our best players took less leaving cap for better depth. And yes I know that is only one of many reasons why we are better.

Marchand $6.125 M, Pastrnak $12.250 M

Good chance you are correct. Really, really hope your not.

 

[wintersej]

We sign 2-3 JAGS to big deals every offseason it seems.

Ridiculously tight with our own players see Bergy and Marchand but happy to overpay Beleskeys and Backes types.

Give me the Tampa model where the money is tied up at the top of the roster and you have to fill out the bottom 6 with ELCs and guys on prove it 1 year deals for the minimum.

You just described the Toronto model, not the Tampa model.

 

[DKH]

I see your points but the reality is take a little less so you can sign a couple of better players so you have a better chance at winning. Look at Toronto and Boston the difference is our best players took less leaving cap for better depth. And yes I know that is only one of many reasons why we are better.


Good chance you are correct. Really, really hope you’re not.

At this point I’ll take it and hope everyone is fine

Thankfully the young guys should be able to contribute- we would get Beecher on 4th line instead of a Nosek

 

[TCB]

Marchand $6.125 M, Pastrnak $12.250 M

So your saying Pasta testing the open waters.

 

[KrejciMVP]

So your saying Pasta testing the open waters.

at that point hes gone