Player Discussion David Pastrnak XIII -Report, Extension to be announced Today!

[danpantz]

I think your missing my point. Everyone talks about Marchand taking a discount. Did he really take one when he signed though? What were other 30G/55P players signing for a CH% was it 10%, 12%, 15%?

If it was 8.4% then he didn't take a discount, he just outplayed it contract. McAvoy didnt take a discount if you look at other top d-men. Pay Pasta a fair market value and look to save money elsewhere. You can't win if you can't score and he's responsible for 1 in 4 goals for the Bruins.

Oh I agree with you for sure.

I just think using that Marchand contract as a comparable for this pasta contract is a bad one.

 

[Ladyfan]

God, I hope we aren't going to start bashing Pasta.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I agree, and Pasta must be looking ahead a couple years and wondering what the make up (and quality) of the team will be with no Bergie, no Krejci, older Brad, etc. What'll that mean for the team (quality/standings), his play/production, culture as you said, all of that. With that uncertainty, he/his agent probably want what he can get. Also, Could be more of an opportunity for him to take on more of a leadership role going forward, but not sure that's him. I don't know...

Kaplan all but said as much recently. That is not a great sign as Sweeney is terrible at drafting and really cannot promise anything anyway.

 

[Mad Dr Pepper]

What the hell is going on here?!?!?!

 

[KrejciMVP]

if anything paying Pasta market value will hopefully make Sweeney price conscious to not overpay the next JAG that comes along. If he fumbles this the reactionary moves to replace Pasta worry me

 

[PlayMakers]

I'm not sure a conversation that by definition cannot be apples to apples can then, in turn, threaten a culture - these are moving targets in terms of timing and salary expectations - that said, there's something to be said regardless of scale when there's a refusal to do anything at all in the name of the team - but we don't know that this is the case yet so why are we assuming the worst here?

We're not "assuming" worst case, we're talking about that possibility because a national media member just said that's what's happening. That doesn't mean that actually is what's happening, but it doesn't seem out of line to talk about it.

 

[ON3M4N]

Oh I agree with you for sure.

I just think using that Marchand contract as a comparable for this pasta contract is a bad one.

Correct they aren't comprable, it was more along the lines of what they're market CH% was vs what they got/get

 

[PlayMakers]

Yep, question is will it be like the mid 80s, mediocrity, if Pasta walks, or will it be something like the very early 90s if Pasta stays?

I think there are more options than that. Maybe moving on from Pasta launches them into another 2010-20 era, like what followed after walking away from Kessel. Where team comes before superstar. Where guys take less to play somewhere 'special.' Where players believe they are part of something bigger than themselves.

Hopfully, Pasta feels that way and is part of that future.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

What's the figure Pasta can sign for and still be considered a 'team player'? For me it's probably around $11m AAV. Don't think the term really matters, or how the deal is structured, it's more the annual cap hit that's most relevant in this regard. I think anything under 11 is a steal in the current climate, over and you're starting to push into 'it's more about you' territory. How far into that realm Pasta wants to go will probably say a lot to me about how I evaluate his eventual contract. Some of his teammates may perhaps do likewise.

 

[Smitty93]

I gotta be honest, the idea that Pastrnak's going to ruin the culture because he wants $12M instead of $11M, or whatever it is, is objectively hilarious.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I gotta be honest, the idea that Pastrnak's going to ruin the culture because he wants $12M instead of $11M, or whatever it is, is objectively hilarious.

So true. If he signed the same way McAvoy did he’d be getting $11.6.

 

[KrejciMVP]

I think there are more options than that. Maybe moving on from Pasta launches them into another 2010-20 era, like what followed after walking away from Kessel. Where team comes before superstar. Where guys take less to play somewhere 'special.' Where players believe they are part of something bigger than themselves.

Hopfully, Pasta feels that way and is part of that future.

do you think that logic applies to elite talent like Crosby Ovechkin and Stamkos? I dont think so, these teams lock up their stars as catalysts for their organization. The Bruins may not find a goal scorer like this for a long time. worth every penny

 

[LouJersey]

Did McAvoy?

No sir

Just curious Lou:

What in your opinion, would be the equivalent of Pasta taking less to stay in Boston?

8/80. If I were him I’d settle at nothing less than 8/92

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

What the hell is going on here?!?!?!

Human nature

Humans when facing disappointment and heartache over something down the road will often associate negativity to the subject as a way to lesson the emotional impact when it actually happens.

I think its called the airbag effect?

I could be way off on the name.

 

[LouJersey]

What was his market value at the time? Again he was a 30g/55p guy before signing and then took his game to another level.

I remember people saying he was clearly a 7 plus million dollar player at the time on the open market. Prob 7.5

I'm impressed. Usually the fan base waits until a player leaves to bash them for being greedy. We're doing it with 30 games left in the regular season. Now that's efficiency.

I think he should get every cent he can. Apparently one of his linemates disagrees with that? That’s what people are talking about imo.

I don’t put much stock in the EF thing without knowing the numbers

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I remember people saying he was clearly a 7 plus million dollar player at the time on the open market. Prob 7.5


I think he should get every cent he can. Apparently one of his linemates disagrees with that? That’s what people are talking about imo.

I don’t put much stock in the EF thing without knowing the numbers

Open market is one thing. You can be Johnny Gaudreau and sign in Columbus. What would Mackinnon have gotten if he was willing to sign in Arizona or Buffalo? But signing for a contender? Often a different number.

 

[Mione134]

Sign him before the break is over Sweeney, folks are losing their minds

 

[danpantz]

I thought marchands comments were about the maple leafs personally and not about Pasta.

 

[SPLBRUIN]

I can't get over all the hysteria here on how much Pasta will be paid, hilarious. If the discussion was about the strong possibility that Pastrnak will walk, that's a more serious and very concerning issue. As long as he signs I will be happy even if it makes things more difficult going forward, that's why Sweeney is paid the big bucks.

 

[LouJersey]

Open market is one thing. You can be Johnny Gaudreau and sign in Columbus. What would Mackinnon have gotten if he was willing to sign in Arizona or Buffalo? But signing for a contender? Often a different number.

Agreed. Marchand definitely makes a good point. If the number gets to 12 you would have to have some sort of pause giving 25% of your cap to two players in Mac and Pasta because you’re not getting two top 2 centers for under 4 mil combined cap number.

I thought marchands comments were about the maple leafs personally and not about Pasta.

They were but ironically they apply to Pasta and the bruins as well. Maybe he was being subtle

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Open market is one thing. You can be Johnny Gaudreau and sign in Columbus. What would Mackinnon have gotten if he was willing to sign in Arizona or Buffalo? But signing for a contender? Often a different number.

The same Mackinnon that just signed for the highest cap hit in the league at $12.6?

 

[PB37]

He is gone after this year. I would bet small amounts of money on it. They could not get this type of team-wide commitment if this were not the last hurrah. (Though I will say, KPD's latest Sunday notes did give me pause on that front.)

Chara I could definitely see in management eventually. Bergeron, otoh, may coach eventually or he may do something totally different. Heck, maybe he tries to be a pianist. I seem to recall his teacher thought he had concert level potential...

Might want to put the wallet away. I think it was Dom that suggested that during the offseason, Bergeron was looking for a two year contract but the Bruins had to structure it as a 1 year deal for cap reasons. So there's a strong chance we might get another year of Bergeron. But regardless if it's this year or the next, after some time away, I think he comes back to as a front office guy at a small level like Sweeney did and move his way up.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

The same Mackinnon that just signed for the highest cap hit in the league at $12.6?

Yes. That guy.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Agreed. Marchand definitely makes a good point. If the number gets to 12 you would have to have some sort of pause giving 25% of your cap to two players in Mac and Pasta because you’re not getting two top 2 centers for under 4 mil combined cap number.


They were but ironically they apply to Pasta and the bruins as well. Maybe he was being subtle

I would assume Sweeney's also bearing in mind the state of the prospect pool. Even with his rose-colored glasses on he has to know it's pretty bare, and that means having very few guys in the roster on cheap ELC deals in the years ahead. Older players and ones brought in from elsewhere inevitably cost more. Just one more thing he has to weigh up in crunching the numbers and working how how far the budget can reasonably stretch to accommodate whatever Pasta is asking for.

 

[LouJersey]

I would assume Sweeney's also bearing in mind the state of the prospect pool. Even with his rose-colored glasses on he has to know it's pretty bare, and that means having very few guys in the roster on cheap ELC deals in the years ahead. Older players and ones brought in from elsewhere inevitably cost more. Just one more thing he has to weigh up in crunching the numbers and working how how far the budget can reasonably stretch to accommodate whatever Pasta is asking for.

also if MacKinnon is worth 12.6 then Pasta is worth 11 max IMO Panarin had to leave his team to get more, like @MarchysNoseKnows said.