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[quietbruinfan]

My issue with the Pasta negotiation is that it sounds like they're being pushed to the point where they are sacrificing their culture.

Chara, Marchand, Bergeron... they all sacrificed for the greater good, to win. If reports are to be believed, Pasta, who "doesn't play hockey for money," is pushing the Bruins to a place they don't want go. I assume that means it's a number that doesn't jive with the greater good.

Also, as the article states, the best weapon in a negotiation is the willingness to walk away. If the Bruins don't have a point at which they'll walk away, then they're going to get put over a barrel.

I know we all love Pasta, but signing him could mean breaking the culture that legends like Bergeron have built. That gives me pause.

Good post, but I am of the mind that once Bergy is gone, this culture is gone. (Part of it went with Chara) Marchand will probably be the next captain, but still gone.

 

[LouJersey]

You're missing the point.

Marchand signed when he was a PK machine who could pot you 30 goals. He wasn't Top 5 scorer, Hart candidate Marchand until after he signed his current deal.

You're comparing apples and oranges

Did he or did he not take less to stay with the Bruins? We were shocked w that deal

Clear answer is yes

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

My issue with the Pasta negotiation is that it sounds like they're being pushed to the point where they are sacrificing their culture.

Chara, Marchand, Bergeron... they all sacrificed for the greater good, to win. If reports are to be believed, Pasta, who "doesn't play hockey for money," is pushing the Bruins to a place they don't want go. I assume that means it's a number that doesn't jive with the greater good.

Also, as the article states, the best weapon in a negotiation is the willingness to walk away. If the Bruins don't have a point at which they'll walk away, then they're going to get put over a barrel.

I know we all love Pasta, but signing him could mean breaking the culture that legends like Bergeron have built. That gives me pause.

I think Dom mentioned in the off-season that the real issue was going to be contract structure and financial protection in case of shutdown.

I think Friedman has sensationalized the negotiations with his opinion… an opinion BTW that his Hab/Leaf-luvin’ readership loves him for. To paraphrase: “the Bruins are gonna be screwed - just my opinion."
His fans lap that shit up.

I say we worry about the number when we hear it. But I'd be seriously surprised if Pasta was the guy to buck this trend.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Did he or did he not take less to stay with the Bruins? We were shocked w that deal

Clear answer is yes

Did McAvoy?

 

[PlayMakers]

Good post, but I am of the mind that once Bergy is gone, this culture is gone. (Part of it went with Chara) Marchand will probably be the next captain, but still gone.

You may be right. I could see Jack Edwards retiring with Bergeron too. A complete change in the product, both on the ice, off the ice in terms of the culture and what they represent, and in their presentation.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Did he or did he not take less to stay with the Bruins? We were shocked w that deal

Clear answer is yes

Just curious Lou:

What in your opinion, would be the equivalent of Pasta taking less to stay in Boston?

 

[NeelyDan]

My issue with the Pasta negotiation is that it sounds like they're being pushed to the point where they are sacrificing their culture.

Chara, Marchand, Bergeron... they all sacrificed for the greater good, to win. If reports are to be believed, Pasta, who "doesn't play hockey for money," is pushing the Bruins to a place they don't want go. I assume that means it's a number that doesn't jive with the greater good.

Also, as the article states, the best weapon in a negotiation is the willingness to walk away. If the Bruins don't have a point at which they'll walk away, then they're going to get put over a barrel.

I know we all love Pasta, but signing him could mean breaking the culture that legends like Bergeron have built. That gives me pause.

I'm not sure a conversation that by definition cannot be apples to apples can then, in turn, threaten a culture - these are moving targets in terms of timing and salary expectations - that said, there's something to be said regardless of scale when there's a refusal to do anything at all in the name of the team - but we don't know that this is the case yet so why are we assuming the worst here?

 

[ON3M4N]

Did he or did he not take less to stay with the Bruins? We were shocked w that deal

Clear answer is yes

What was his market value at the time? Again he was a 30g/55p guy before signing and then took his game to another level.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Did McAvoy?

McAvoy? In my opinion, he absolutely did. Less than $10M/yr was a great number for him.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

What was his market value at the time? Again he was a 30g/55p guy before signing and then took his game to another level.

Marchand is a weird example - Bergeron is a better one.

McAvoy? In my opinion, he absolutely did. Less than $10M/yr was a great number for him.

He took the going rate for top D.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Did he or did he not take less to stay with the Bruins? We were shocked w that deal

Clear answer is yes

yeah, he took a whopping $1-$1.5m per year discount at the most. And when he didn't have a fraction of the leverage Pasta does right now as a top of the league scoring Hart candidate who is 26

Apply that to Pasta and he's still in the $11-$12 per year range

 

[danpantz]

What was his market value at the time? Again he was a 30g/55p guy before signing and then took his game to another level.

It’s a disengenious argument. Krejci got a 10.5% cap hit contract in his last big money deal. At an older age, with nowhere near the scoring prowess of Pastrnak.

 

[PB37]

Good post, but I am of the mind that once Bergy is gone, this culture is gone. (Part of it went with Chara) Marchand will probably be the next captain, but still gone.

Bergeron may be gone in a few years on the ice, but I'm willing to bet he'll be around ( maybe even Chara ) in some sort of managerial capacity at some point.

 

[quietbruinfan]

You may be right. I could see Jack Edwards retiring with Bergeron too. A complete change in the product, both on the ice, off the ice in terms of the culture and what they represent, and in their presentation.

Yep, question is, will it be like the mid 80s, mediocrity, if Pasta walks, or will it be something like the very early 90s if Pasta stays?

 

[Smitty93]

I'm impressed. Usually the fan base waits until a player leaves to bash them for being greedy. We're doing it with 30 games left in the regular season. Now that's efficiency.

 

[KrejciMVP]

I'm impressed. Usually the fan base waits until a player leaves to bash them for being greedy. We're doing it with 30 games left in the regular season. Now that's efficiency.

last thing the Bruins need is to alienate Pastrnak when he holds all the cards. If Marchand wants to help he can go score goals. For all the garbage contracts theyve handed out over the years saying Pasta threatens the culture is all time ridiculous

 

[quietbruinfan]

Bergeron may be gone in a few years on the ice, but I'm willing to bet he'll be around ( maybe even Chara ) in some sort of managerial capacity at some point.

He is gone after this year. I would bet small amounts of money on it. They could not get this type of team-wide commitment if this were not the last hurrah. (Though I will say, KPD's latest Sunday notes did give me pause on that front.)

Chara I could definitely see in management eventually. Bergeron, otoh, may coach eventually or he may do something totally different. Heck, maybe he tries to be a pianist. I seem to recall his teacher thought he had concert level potential...

 

[ON3M4N]

It’s a disengenious argument. Krejci got a 10.5% cap hit contract in his last big money deal. At an older age, with nowhere near the scoring prowess of Pastrnak.

How so? If Marchand's market based on his production at the time was 8% then he didn't take a discount. If it was 9% then he took a slight discount.

 

[bruinmann77]

they can't over pay at this point with having to fill out the rest of the roster while i still have have hope the longer it goes i worry about him going elsewhere

 

[danpantz]

How so? If Marchand's market based on his production at the time was 8% then he didn't take a discount. If it was 9% then he took a slight discount.

Because Marchand wasn’t competing for the Rocket and Hart trophy when he signed that contract like Pasta is and has been for years.

There’s no one on this team that is a comparable. There hasn’t been one on this team in a long time either.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I think Dom mentioned in the off-season that the real issue was going to be contract structure and financial protection in case of shutdown.

I think Friedman has sensationalized the negotiations with his opinion… an opinion BTW that his Hab/Leaf-luvin’ readership loves him for. To paraphrase: “the Bruins are gonna be screwed - just my opinion."
His fans lap that shit up.

I say we worry about the number when we hear it. But I'd be seriously surprised if Pasta was the guy to buck this trend.

I agree with you. I think Friedman is moderately credible, but also pretty clearly a Leaf lap dog.

 

[PlayMakers]

I think Dom mentioned in the off-season that the real issue was going to be contract structure and financial protection in case of shutdown.

I think Friedman has sensationalized the negotiations with his opinion… an opinion BTW that his Hab/Leaf-luvin’ readership loves him for. To paraphrase: “the Bruins are gonna be screwed - just my opinion."
His fans lap that shit up.

I say we worry about the number when we hear it. But I'd be seriously surprised if Pasta was the guy to buck this trend.

Yeah, I hope that's true and it's just Friedman hamming it up for his fans. I agree that it would be surprising for Pasta to be the one to break the culture, but... long, dragged out negotiations, Marchand's comments... it makes me wonder if Barry is tiring to set a new bar.

 

[Jockularity]

Good post, but I am of the mind that once Bergy is gone, this culture is gone. (Part of it went with Chara) Marchand will probably be the next captain, but still gone.

I agree, and Pasta must be looking ahead a couple years and wondering what the make up (and quality) of the team will be with no Bergie, no Krejci, older Brad, etc. What'll that mean for the team (quality/standings), his play/production, culture as you said, all of that. With that uncertainty, he/his agent probably want what he can get. Also, Could be more of an opportunity for him to take on more of a leadership role going forward, but not sure that's him. I don't know...

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Yeah, I hope that's true and it's just Friedman hamming it up for his fans. I agree that it would be surprising for Pasta to be the one to break the culture, but... long, dragged out negotiations, Marchand's comments... it makes me wonder if Barry is tiring to set a new bar.

Personally, I saw Marchand's comments as sticking up for his teammate - not being critical of him. But perhaps I'm (somehow now) an optimist.

 

[ON3M4N]

Because Marchand wasn’t competing for the Rocket and Hart trophy when he signed that contract like Pasta is and has been for years.

There’s no one on this team that is a comparable. There hasn’t been one on this team in a long time either.

I think your missing my point. Everyone talks about Marchand taking a discount. Did he really take one when he signed though? What were other 30G/55P players signing for a CH% was it 10%, 12%, 15%?

If it was 8.4% then he didn't take a discount, he just outplayed it contract. McAvoy didnt take a discount if you look at other top d-men. Pay Pasta a fair market value and look to save money elsewhere. You can't win if you can't score and he's responsible for 1 in 4 goals for the Bruins.