Confirmed with Link: David Nonis TML GM|Brian Burke Hired as Senior Advisor - II

[charliolemieux]

Does anyone find it funny how the same people who defend the Kessel trade are mortified over the prospect of moving Kadri and Gardiner for Luongo? Seguin and Hamilton are far better pieces then Kadri and Gardiner while Luongo would have a bigger impact on wins:losses then Kessel ever did. While you might not like doing the trade since you have fallen in love with our own players you can at least look at what we would be giving up and say "At least we know what we are giving up".

If you can't see the multiple differences between those two trades, you should make an appointment to see the eye doctor.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Tom Anselmi:

Team performance the first reason for firing Burke

BS


If performance was the top consideration in MLSE his(Anselmi)sorry ass would have been long ago

 

[Longshot]

I feel Burke was fired because he was so polarizing.

I agree with that to some extent.

With Burke as your GM you had to be willing to accept a bunch of ancillary things going on around the team that didn't always have anything to do with making his team better.

There were Burke's philosophies on long contracts (Can you imagine AA or Colangelo making pronouncements about never doing big long-term deals for philosophical reasons?), the trade deadline (remember he talked about having an internal deadline a week earlier?), the Christmas trade deadline, etc. He liked to operate with his own code of rules that had more to do with his own sense of morality, instead of being strictly about making the roster better.

Then you add in the performance issues and some of Burke's other unique decisions (what the hell was he doing in Afghanistan on July 1) and it is clear that the new ownership decided it wanted to go with a more traditional GM that will have a total focus on making the Leafs better.

Only time will tell if it was the correct move or not.

 

[TML g u n n e R s*]

Tom Anselmi:

Team performance the first reason for firing Burke

TOTAL BS.. lol

 

[Brewsky]

I agree. Vancouvers window is probably over. I am a rational fan. I don't let my emotions cloud my rationale, however, if GMMG called the TML today and offered Kesler for Kadri and Gardiner the TML would be tripping over themselves for that trade.

No, TML would not be.

 

[topched]

I remember Burke on one of the behind the drafts talking about how on paper we have one of the best defences and he started writing it down on a napkin. I'll try and find the video.

I remember that... thing is most of Leaf nation thought the same thing.

Komisarek and Beauchimen were coming off good seasons, Komi an all-star. Kaberle was aging but still solid.

Alot of things went poorly for Burke during his time. Obviously he has to bare the responsibility because his job is to evaluate talent. But I don't think even the best GM in the world could have predicted all those guys to just lose their game at the same time.

 

[WillNyeTheHockeyGuy]

Please realize thats utter horse****.

Colangelo still has a job. Thats all you need to know about MLSE.

Team performance is about the players and not about the GM. If they truly thought it was about GM and his roster decisions then Nonis and co. wouldn't still have jobs because collectively they bare as much responsibility as Burke himself.

This is a PR, satisfy the cronies move, and not actually about the direction of the hockey club, plain and simple.

That's the sad part. We fired the only competent GM we could have had; the one we already have. And all this for some bull**** PR move. Changed ownership means nothing. For all we know, these guys may be even worse than the Pension Plan...

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Also Kadri and Gardiner are known commodities.

At the time of the Kessel deal the 1st rounders were unknown. Could have been top 5, could have been bottom 5 picks depending on performance.

Would I acquire Kessel for two firsts and a second? Yup

Would I acquire Kessel for Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton? Hell no

You were NOT a playoff team when you made the trade. I loved Phil and hated seeing the Lucic-Savard-Kessel line broken up. BUt I knew TO was so awful that we'd be getting Taylor Hall.

If the team was middle of the pack or at least a playoff condenter its an OK trade. But Burke made that move as a "bad" team which is just moronic. He had no goalie either. No scorer (except Kessel) nor a decent center.

Just an awful trade.

Now...the Schenn for JVR was robbery. And since KAberle wasn't going anywhere else he got a nice return. But those deals pale in comparison.


The Leafs have the biggest fanbase in hockey I am proud of you for not letting Burke screw you with Luongo since under the new CBA you can't Wade Redden a guy to the AHL. And Burke knew if Luongo flopped he'd be long gone nad wouldn't have to deal with the consequences.

This firing was excellent congrats and good luck this year. I'd love a tradeback for Phil if you're interested.

 

[charliolemieux]

Tom Anselmi:

Team performance the first reason for firing Burke

IF that were true then why did he keep the rest of BUrke's Management group to continue running the team?

I be thinking Anselmi be blowing smoke up someones buttocks.

 

[ULF_55]

Sounds like the owners didn't like Burke's approach.

You always has to please the money man.

 

[Bomber0104]

Anselmi sounds extremely nervous in his answers.

Seems to be using very irregular speech and euphemisms and basically avoiding answering direct questions.

 

[Newfie John]

McCown hammering Anselmi pretty good.

 

[Woodman19]

I remember that... thing is most of Leaf nation thought the same thing.

Komisarek and Beauchimen were coming off good seasons, Komi an all-star. Kaberle was aging but still solid.

Alot of things went poorly for Burke during his time. Obviously he has to bare the responsibility because his job is to evaluate talent. But I don't think even the best GM in the world could have predicted all those guys to just lose their game at the same time.

The job of a GM is to build an "Organization"

There is more to an organization then the major league team. A GM needs to hire and bring in talented scouts, coaches and administrators to be able to find, coach and develop your talent. Brian Burke has not been able to draft and develop any NHL talent to speak of so it is a failure on his part to build that part of his organization which is a directly related to the performance of the NHL team since its a trickle effect. If you bring in a General Manager who brings in people who can scout, coach and make hockey decisions, then it does not matter where you draft you will find and cultivate talent which in turn can help you add to your major league team which is exactly what the Jays have managed to do.

 

[trellaine201]

OmG sounds like nonis had 5 minutes to decide whether he wanted the gm job lol

What a bunch of clowns this board is.

 

[Dangles McGavin]

McCown hammering Anselmi pretty good.

Yeah I'm enjoying this. He talked him into a corner.

 

[rdawg1234]

I remember that... thing is most of Leaf nation thought the same thing.

Komisarek and Beauchimen were coming off good seasons, Komi an all-star. Kaberle was aging but still solid.

Alot of things went poorly for Burke during his time. Obviously he has to bare the responsibility because his job is to evaluate talent. But I don't think even the best GM in the world could have predicted all those guys to just lose their game at the same time.

It's probably in part due to Wilson's run and gun system, left the D and Goalie out to dry sometimes.

Anyway, This move is just really, really strange to me.

It's not like we're throwing Burke out and starting a new era, we ust basically gave Nonis slightly more power, when he already made half the decisions anyway!

it's a sideways move, hell, burke didnt even fully leave, he's a 'senior advisor' now.

just a non-move.

 

[Longshot]

McCown hammering Anselmi pretty good.

I loved:

Anselmi: "I don't know how you want me to answer that."

Bob: "Honestly would be good..."

 

[Terrence]

Please realize thats utter horse****.

Colangelo still has a job. Thats all you need to know about MLSE.

Team performance is about the players and not about the GM. If they truly thought it was about GM and his roster decisions then Nonis and co. wouldn't still have jobs because collectively they bare as much responsibility as Burke himself.

This is a PR, satisfy the cronies move, and not actually about the direction of the hockey club, plain and simple.

Not to mention, Burke's right hand man who was in on all of the teams moves and decisions is now the GM.

 

[tp71]

McCown hammering Anselmi pretty good.

Not letting him off the hook.

 

[Woodman19]

IF that were true then why did he keep the rest of BUrke's Management group to continue running the team?

I be thinking Anselmi be blowing smoke up someones buttocks.

I believe Nonis is being hung out to dry since there are no replacements available now and that after we finish the year once again out of the playoffs they will can the entire front office and look for a young hotshot GM who will rebuild the front office from top to bottom.

 

[daveleaf]

Anselmi sounds extremely nervous in his answers.

Seems to be using very irregular speech and euphemisms and basically avoiding answering direct questions.

McCown hammering Anselmi pretty good.

I just feel he is trying to be kind to Burke in that not dragging him through the mud.

What do you guys want to hear? You want him to say the guy was a ******* piece of **** to deal with. I hated the SOB, can't stand the guy?

You heard it people. They just didn't get along with the guy, too polarizing.

 

[thewave]

That's the sad part. We fired the only competent GM we could have had; the one we already have. And all this for some bull**** PR move. Changed ownership means nothing. For all we know, these guys may be even worse than the Pension Plan...

They already are. They fired a GM 10 days before a season in the midst of trade speculation and made it look as awkward as possible. The indicators I get from this move are not good at all.

 

[stakesishigh]

McCown hammering Anselmi pretty good.

Absolutely, these are the questions I wish were asked.

And that moron Damien Cox allowing Anselmi to skip the questions. It seems to me that this dismissal was a lot less about hockey than it was about keeping your GM under control.

 

[binop7]

I remember that... thing is most of Leaf nation thought the same thing.

Komisarek and Beauchimen were coming off good seasons, Komi an all-star. Kaberle was aging but still solid.

Alot of things went poorly for Burke during his time. Obviously he has to bare the responsibility because his job is to evaluate talent. But I don't think even the best GM in the world could have predicted all those guys to just lose their game at the same time.

Here it is anyways for those who haven't seen it. I mean I know its hind sight, but his confidence in that defense was suspect its around 3:35

 

[Longshot]

Damien Cox made a great point at the beginning of this segment. He spoke about the ongoing impatience of the Leafs ownership.

He said he has covered the Leafs for 24 years and they have had nine (9!) GMs during that time. Nonis, Burke, Fletcher, Ferguson, Quinn, Dryden (with Mike Smith doing the work), Fletcher, Smith, Stellick.

Five minutes later Anselmi came on and mentioned that Gary Bettman told him that the one factor most closely associated with solid sports franchises is stability.

It was a pretty good sequence.