Confirmed with Link: David Nonis TML GM|Brian Burke Hired as Senior Advisor - II

[binop7]

Does anyone find it funny how the same people who defend the Kessel trade are mortified over the prospect of moving Kadri and Gardiner for Luongo? Seguin and Hamilton are far better pieces then Kadri and Gardiner while Luongo would have a bigger impact on wins:losses then Kessel ever did. While you might not like doing the trade since you have fallen in love with our own players you can at least look at what we would be giving up and say "At least we know what we are giving up".

I didn't like the kessel deal either but kessel has room to grow. Lou is on his last legs everyone knows that.

 

[zeke]

There is plenty else to criticize those bunch of idiots that just that.

Like what?

they haven't done anything to affect the leafs in near 5yrs.

 

[shakes]

I don't get the ripping of MLSE.

Are they not allowed to fire a GM after 4 and half years of no results?

4 and a half years of never meddling and giving that GM absolute full control with no oversight?

what did MLSE do wrong here?

Fired him a week before the season. Shows weakness. Then again it could be that it may be taken as a new GM might not be under pressure to save his job with a bad trade. Burke being fired may not have anything to do with any trades that he wanted or did not want to do

 

[tp71]

Like what?

they haven't done anything to affect the leafs in near 5yrs.

I listed some of them in my original post to you. And so have other posters here.

 

[binop7]

I lost an avatar bet once, yep.

Oh haha. I thought maybe you dejected to the other side.

I don't like Nonis as gm, I would've preferred an outside guy. We should've cleaned house why do we need so many hockey execs. Loiselle, Poulin, Dudley, no other team has that front office because its not necessary

 

[Bleed Blue and White]

four and a half, not three and a half.

Doesn't matter but I view it is half of 08/09, 09/10, 10/11, 11/12. That's 3 and a half. If you're going by years you can go from November 2008- September 15 2012, so not even 4 years.

 

[zeke]

I listed some of them in my original post to you. And so have other posters here.

I think all those reasons boil down to one reason - your speculation as to why they fired Burke.

 

[topched]

I didn't like the kessel deal either but kessel has room to grow. Lou is on his last legs everyone knows that.

Also Kadri and Gardiner are known commodities.

At the time of the Kessel deal the 1st rounders were unknown. Could have been top 5, could have been bottom 5 picks depending on performance.

Would I acquire Kessel for two firsts and a second? Yup

Would I acquire Kessel for Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton? Hell no

 

[binop7]

Also Kadri and Gardiner are known commodities.

At the time of the Kessel deal the 1st rounders were unknown. Could have been top 5, could have been bottom 5 picks depending on performance.

Would I trade Kessel for two firsts and a second? Yup

Would I trade Kessel for Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton? Hell no

The jury is still out on kadri, but other than that I agree completely. This rumored Luongo trade would set us back big time

 

[RedHead Kingpin]

Best thing that happens, Burke advises to Nonis for rebuild year, so he deals CMac, Grabo, Connolly, Lombardi, Komisarek, Steckel, for picks.
Cmac-1st
Grabo for 1st+A- prospect
Connolly-2nd
Lombardi-3rd
Komisarek-5th
Steckel-4th
bottom 2 1sts to as high as we can go. ******* Luongo and Gillis. Give Lupul 6/2 years to get him to stay the years

I agree with the idea of this. Not what you think we can get for these players, but the idea behind the post.

 

[binop7]

Also Kadri and Gardiner are known commodities.

At the time of the Kessel deal the 1st rounders were unknown. Could have been top 5, could have been bottom 5 picks depending on performance.

Would I acquire Kessel for two firsts and a second? Yup

Would I acquire Kessel for Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton? Hell no

Another issue was talent evaluation Burke overvalued our roster year after year, I have no issues with his firing, but I don't like nonis' track record at the draft.

 

[zeke]

Does anyone find it funny how the same people who defend the Kessel trade are mortified over the prospect of moving Kadri and Gardiner for Luongo? Seguin and Hamilton are far better pieces then Kadri and Gardiner while Luongo would have a bigger impact on wins:losses then Kessel ever did. While you might not like doing the trade since you have fallen in love with our own players you can at least look at what we would be giving up and say "At least we know what we are giving up".

we didn't trade Seguin and Hamilton, we traded two random first round picks.

I would much rather give up our next two first rounders in a trade than give up Kadri and Gardiner, and it's not even remotely close.

 

[tp71]

I think all those reasons boil down to one reason - your speculation as to why they fired Burke.

And it's not only how, but who they replaced him with, when they did it, etc. Again, my and others posts clearly state some of the problems with the Board.

Just in case you can't find them here are my other reasons in my original post to you: On top of that, what did they change? Went from Burke to Burke's right hand man and team of Burkes.

On top of that, you have none of the board at the press conference answering questions and the one guy you do refuses to get into specifics.

On top of that, all of them (minus Anselmi) are declining to comment on the situation on PTS with McCown.

 

[daveleaf]

I feel Burke was fired because he was so polarizing. He would make grand stands in the media and never live up to them. He would lie out of one side of his mouth and yell loud to make people be quiet. He is not the cerebral type like a Holland that they want. Face it. Burke has been all Bark and no Bite! Simple as that.

 

[thewave]

Does anyone find it funny how the same people who defend the Kessel trade are mortified over the prospect of moving Kadri and Gardiner for Luongo? Seguin and Hamilton are far better pieces then Kadri and Gardiner while Luongo would have a bigger impact on wins:losses then Kessel ever did. While you might not like doing the trade since you have fallen in love with our own players you can at least look at what we would be giving up and say "At least we know what we are giving up".

I could care less about Kadri, I could care less about Gardiner too if the right #1C was up for grabs BUT FOR LOU!? NO!

 

[Woodman19]

we didn't trade Seguin and Hamilton, we traded two random first round picks.

I would much rather give up our next two first rounders in a trade than give up Kadri and Gardiner, and it's not even remotely close.

Which is my point. Philosophically I agree with dealing the prospects for Luongo because you know 100% what you are giving up and the risk involved. Trading multiple picks on a team you are unsure of how good they will be has the chance of blowing up in your face which when you are on the downside is a stupid move to do.

 

[bobermay]

four and a half, not three and a half.

Regardless, people are forgetting how much he helped improve this team.


Alexei Ponikarovsky - Mikhail Grabovski - Nik Antropov
Jason Blake - Dominic Moore - Lee Stempniak
Niklas Hagman - Matt Stajan - Nikolai Kulemin
John Mitchell - Jamal Mayers - Boyd Devereaux
Jeremy Williams

Tomas Kaberle - Pavel Kubina
Ian White - Mike Van Ryn
Luke Schenn - Jeff Finger
Anton Stralman

Vesa Toskala
Curtis Joseph


Disgustingly bad. 4 years later... how are these players doing??

 

[Bomber0104]

Tom Anselmi:

Team performance the first reason for firing Burke

 

[topched]

Another issue was talent evaluation Burke overvalued our roster year after year, I have no issues with his firing, but I don't like nonis' track record at the draft.

Agree with you about the talent evaluation. That was the principle mistake with the Kessel trade, not the trade itself.

Its like if you polled leaf fans and asked them "Would you trade Kessel for NYI's next two first rounders?" vs. "Would you trade Kessel for DET's next two 1sts?". Youd get drastically different responses to each... its not because of the value, 2 1sts is 2 1sts, but the evaluation of the team's that hold each of them.

I don't blame Nonis or any GM for that matter about draft picks. The fault is on the scouting staff and not the GM... unless of course he refuses to delegate and thinks he knows everything (which is unlikely). Morrison and co. have an average draft record... We'll see how it goes.

 

[rumman]

Happy happy happy

 

[joepeps]

so if they knew they were going to Fire Burke, why did they allowed Dudley to leave to Montreal? He could have been 2nd in command in Toronto instead of 2nd in Montreal....

 

[G51 K81*]

Good interview on the fan 590 with Anselmi

 

[binop7]

Agree with you about the talent evaluation. That was the principle mistake with the Kessel trade, not the trade itself.

Its like if you polled leaf fans and asked them "Would you trade Kessel for NYI's next two first rounders?" vs. "Would you trade Kessel for DET's next two 1sts?". Youd get drastically different responses to each... its not because of the value, 2 1sts is 2 1sts, but the evaluation of the team's that hold each of them.

I don't blame Nonis or any GM for that matter about draft picks. The fault is on the scouting staff and not the GM... unless of course he refuses to delegate and thinks he knows everything (which is unlikely). Morrison and co. have an average draft record... We'll see how it goes.

I remember Burke on one of the behind the drafts talking about how on paper we have one of the best defences and he started writing it down on a napkin. I'll try and find the video.

 

[topched]

Tom Anselmi:

Team performance the first reason for firing Burke

Please realize thats utter horse****.

Colangelo still has a job. Thats all you need to know about MLSE.

Team performance is about the players and not about the GM. If they truly thought it was about GM and his roster decisions then Nonis and co. wouldn't still have jobs because collectively they bare as much responsibility as Burke himself.

This is a PR, satisfy the cronies move, and not actually about the direction of the hockey club, plain and simple.

 

[thewave]

Tom Anselmi:

Team performance the first reason for firing Burke

And if that is the reason it is FAIR. Burke screwed up huge attaching himself to Wilson, it was ultimately the anchor that took him under I feel. That little gift extension didn't help matters at all.