Confirmed with Link: David Nonis TML GM|Brian Burke Hired as Senior Advisor - II

[Mess]

Isn't this why people wanted the Teachers gone so you have ruthless business running things instead of a pension fund. Ruthless business is results orientated.

Precisely and one of the reasons I was so excited when Bell/Rogers was taking over expecting exactly today's events at the top of their agenda.

 

[Commander Clueless]

From day 1 in Toronto Burke's mouth continued to write cheques that his butt simply couldn't cash.

His arrogance and ego always getting the better of him, as his sound bites resonated throughout the hockey world, and discussed at infinitum.

Leafs have been a bottom 10 (often bottom 5 team) under Burke and he was embarrassing the organization top to bottom with his antics and failures, making the Leafs a laughing stock. MLSE considers themselves a flagship NHL organization and loyal fan base and this level of failure was simply just no longer tolerated..

Even if all this is true (and its hard to defend Burke's time here with his track record vs what he said he would do), this is still horrible timing. I could've seen this in the summer but now? This has to have been triggered by something and from an outsider seems like a hasty reaction.

 

[tp71]

From day 1 in Toronto Burke's mouth continued to write cheques that his butt simply couldn't cash.

His arrogance and ego always getting the better of him, as his sound bites resonated throughout the hockey world, and discussed at infinitum.

Leafs have been a bottom 10 (often bottom 5 team) under Burke and he was embarrassing the organization top to bottom with his antics and failures, making the Leafs a laughing stock. MLSE considers themselves a flagship NHL organization and loyal fan base and this level of failure was simply just no longer tolerated..

Then FIRE him for that! Look, I liked Burke. Always have. But if you're going to fire him, then fire him for it! Don't give us some stupid shammy reason as to why you fired him, say "I'm not going into specifics" 25 god damned times and then replace the guy with the guys right hand man!

I'm upset about firing Burke. But I could understand it if they did it for his record. But the way they did it was second rate and cowardly in my opinion and the fact that NONE of the board are answering for it is absolutely second rate. The man deserves better than that.

 

[Proust*]

But he did not really get fired. He is still around as a senior adviser.
Brian have had a rough couple of years both privately and professionally so perhaps this is TML´s way of keeping him around with a less workload? Nonis and Burke have worked as a team for so long so I guess there are no hard feelings about who currently stay in front of the cameras.

They fired him. The "senior adviser" thing is a PR tool used to soften the action the action in the minds of the public. The fact is that they still have to pay Burke, so why not give him a title. He will not have any real influence.

 

[tp71]

he was fired for his relationship with the media and the BOG and not actually fired for the reason's he should have been.

But they weren't going to get into specifics.

 

[MISC*]

Gardiner
Kadri

Isn't the end of the world. It's a bad trade, but it's not a total ******.

 

[Giuseppe Sallo]

Gardiner
Kadri

Isn't the end of the world. It's a bad trade, but it's not a total ******.

Agree. If we get Luongo. Playoff push, baby!

 

[Epictetus]

Anybody else have a really strong sinking feeling in their stomach right now? I'm literally scared ****less about this Luongo crap.

Yup. Me too.

It makes no sense with this new CBA. The cap is going to be lower, meaning teams have to be more financially responsible. Luongo is on a 'cap-circumventing contract' at a high cap hit for a number of years. The Leafs have to be wise financially now, and rushing into a perceived move like this when other markets also have to be wise, means the Luongo market is not the same.

In addition, the Canucks have arguably a better goaltender, who is younger and cheaper. At this point, there only options are to a) keep a 5.3 million cap hit as a back-up goaltender b) trade him c) use their amnesty on him (basically a buy-out). So with these options, and with everything that I just said, why would the Leafs trade arguably their two most promising young players\prospects?

The Canucks hold no advantage here, so it's stupid to give them one.

 

[topched]

Two completely different scenarios. Edmonton have been this crappy more or less because they want those high picks while Burke traded his away to get to the playoffs. Now Oilers are loaded for the future with great talent and all we have is a good AHL team...

I realize that. I'm just saying even you or I could guide Edmonton to 3 consecutive basement finishes. Its not all that difficult.

 

[pspot]

the line about going the same direction just have someone elses hands on the wheel is a great analogy

 

[Woodman19]

Oh i'm with you there. He did make that mistake.

But you'd think that after Boston picks up Seguin and Hamilton Burke would be out the door.

Instead MLSE leaves him in place to continue to correct that mistake, and as he gets this thing going in the right direction they decide that he's gotta pay for those original mistakes? It boggles my mind.

You would think that yes, but the team was run by a pension fund who was happy to sit back and collect the profits.

Rogers as we have seen with the Jays are content to sit back and let the Baseball people do their job building the organization from the ground up by bringing in heaps of talent at the scouting/development/professional levels. People might complain about the time it took for the Jays to become relevent but what they did this offseason could not be done if not for the fiscal conservatism and player development. I have faith Rogers will find a hotshot young hockey Administrator and let him rebuild the front office with a more corporate organization to it rather then a highly paid group of old boys who were canned for previous failures.

 

[tzinc]

Oh i'm with you there. He did make that mistake.

But you'd think that after Boston picks up Seguin and Hamilton Burke would be out the door.

Instead MLSE leaves him in place to continue to correct that mistake, and as he gets this thing going in the right direction they decide that he's gotta pay for those original mistakes? It boggles my mind.

What right direction this is not even a sure playoff team let alone a yearly serious Stanley Cup contender... we're not even 1 or 2 players away from that. Somehow he was going to fix all that in 1 year and make the Leafs into a Red Wings or Penguins type yearly Cup contending team.

 

[Proust*]

Isn't this why people wanted the Teachers gone so you have ruthless business running things instead of a pension fund. Ruthless business is results orientated. Burke's results frankly are not there and 1 MORE YEAR of Burke wasn't going to make a change they weren't 1 or 2 players away from being cup contenders from being a Red Wings or Kings or Penguins type team.

Results for who? The customers or shareholders? Both Bell and Rogers have achieved horrible results for customers and good results for shareholders.

 

[cloak]

Gardiner
Kadri

Isn't the end of the world. It's a bad trade, but it's not a total ******.

you're delusional

 

[Mess]

They would have fired him 6 months ago if this was the case.

Bell/Rogers didn't officially resume new ownership until late august when the sale was official..

The lockout was immanent mid September, and so there was no pressing need to do anything until now when hockey transactions are starting up again.

 

[MrLegend28*]

Burke probably wanted to step down, and the Leafs offered him this. He's still Senior Advisor so its not like his work was soo bad they didnt want him around. Plus for the last 2 years Nonis has been running the show anyways and Burke's just the face for the camera. How many trades have you heard Burke say "Nonis set it up"?.. People are overreacting to a title change lol.

I also dont believe the Style of Play hoopla cause Nonis has the exact same.

The only thing I could possibly think of, is Burke burned too many bridges with other GM's? (and i have no actual data to back this. just a thought)

 

[binop7]

Gardiner
Kadri

Isn't the end of the world. It's a bad trade, but it's not a total ******.

You're ****ed in the head. That's top 5 worst trades in past 20 years easy only one I can think of that's worse is mcdonagh for gomez

 

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

you're delusional

He's a Canucks fan.

 

[Bob b smith]

Nonis looked like a deer in the headlights.

 

[tp71]

You're ****ed in the head. That's top 5 worst trades in past 20 years easy only one I can think of that's worse is mcdonagh for gomez

It's almost as bad to me as the Tom Kurvers trade.

 

[pdmuck]

I think they were going to fire him on December 20th but decided to wait because of Burke's policy of not making any moves over the holidays!

 

[Leafidelity]

Nonis looked like a deer in the headlights.

In other words he looks like 80% of the fans.

 

[Highlander23]

Isn't this why people wanted the Teachers gone so you have ruthless business running things instead of a pension fund. Ruthless business is results orientated. Burke's results frankly are not there and 1 MORE YEAR of Burke wasn't going to make a change they weren't 1 or 2 players away from being cup contenders from being a Red Wings or Kings or Penguins type team.

totally agree. i guess there are a lot of emotional people on these boards, they seem to like burke's mouth more than they like their team. Can anyone enlighten me, i'm lost here, what did burke have done in Toronto to justify all these people defending him ?

 

[binop7]

It's almost as bad to me as the Tom Kurvers trade.

. Yeah that's actually a good example. Value is way off. That kind of deal I'd expect someone like kesler coming back

 

[RaskY]

Gardiner
Kadri

Isn't the end of the world. It's a bad trade, but it's not a total ******.

It's terrible.

Both Kadri and Gardiner or only 22 years old. Gardiner had a great rookie season and Kadri still has fine potential to turn into a dangerous offensive player.

Luongo will turn 34 in April...He has had great years with Vancouver, though none of them have ever finished great. He's been on a great team and has completely lost it at times in important playoff games. Not saying it automatically makes him a choker in Toronto as-well, but he doesn't have a very good record in the post-season considering what you guys are expecting of him and by giving up guys like Gardiner AND Kadri together. Not to mention Vancouver shouldn't have this much leverage. Everybody knows they want to trade him and more importantly everybody knows they almost have no choice BUT to trade him. He lost his job to Schneider and he's not going to want to stay on the bench and Vancouver doesn't want to keep Schneider on the bench either. It shouldn't cost Kadri + Gardiner...Not worth it AT ALL.