Confirmed with Link: David Nonis TML GM|Brian Burke Hired as Senior Advisor - II

[DD03]

Anybody else have a really strong sinking feeling in their stomach right now? I'm literally scared ****less about this Luongo crap.

Same here buddy.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

But he did not really get fired. He is still around as a senior adviser.
Brian have had a rough couple of years both privately and professionally so perhaps this is TML´s way of keeping him around with a less workload? Nonis and Burke have worked as a team for so long so I guess there are no hard feelings about who currently stay in front of the cameras.

 

[tp71]

Please share.

Going on about how none of the board are answering questions about why the fired burke. None of them are commenting, Anselmi didn't give a straight answer. And they've basically replaced Burke with New Burke.

They replaced Burke with Burkes people. If you're going to change it, then change it. And also commented on how if you were going to fire him, you had a list of things as to why you could fire him, and they gave a wishy washy reason that they really didn't explain as to why they fired him.

That's what I've gotten from it. If you have a chance to listen to it when it's released online, it was probably more epic than what I've written for you lol.

 

[topched]

Four drafts, four free agency periods (though, one slightly shortened), four trade-deadlines, zero improvement in the standings.

I guess my thing with Burke is that I was happy with what he had done after the Kessel deal season.

Once Burke realized that his initial evaluation of the team was incorrect he began to sell of pieces like Beauchemin, Versteeg etc. He made moves for picks and prospects, and built an AHL team that is now a perennial contender and a decent young core for this team.

Its sad that a guy like Tambellini who finishes 30, 30 and 29 still has his job, while Burke, a guy who made some very good moves is out of a job.

Burke should go take over Edmonton, watch what he can do with a team with that much young talent. He'd have them surrounded with veteran pieces capable of making a run in no time.

 

[TML g u n n e R s*]

i just hope the deal is based around frattin and bozak not kadri and bozak

 

[pspot]

Stop alluding to it and tell us what it is.

firing Burke was justified but by not removing anyone else and handing the keys to his right hand man essentially accomplishes nothing

 

[Leaf4Life]

Way to go Rogers/Bell. This is a terrible decision at the worst possible time.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised as this is Rogers and Bell we're talking about. They can't even run their own businesses properly!

 

[Commander Clueless]

This is crazy. Worst possible timing IMO and I'm not so sure Nonis is the right guy.

I'm not against Luongo but these Gardiner + rumours now have me cringing in anticipation what seems like an almost inevitable trade at this point.

 

[Bomber0104]

I actually don't remember you being right about a single thing... ever.

"Burke should be fired"

- Bomber0104

Circa 150 times since 2008

 

[Auston Marlander]

I'm saying in Burke's tenure in Vancouver, we had a rotating door of mediocre goalies and goaltenders of the future. Same song and dance in Toronto. Your fans deserve better.

Agreed, but I feel Riemer is better than he has shown. Still not elite though.

 

[tp71]

firing Burke was justified but by not removing anyone else and handing the keys to his right hand man essentially accomplishes nothing

He also mentioned how they didn't use the justified reasons though. And really didn't give anyone a reason, nor are any of the board commenting on said reasons. They all made a decision and ran and hid.

 

[tzinc]

Isn't this why people wanted the Teachers gone so you have ruthless business running things instead of a pension fund. Ruthless business is results orientated. Burke's results frankly are not there and 1 MORE YEAR of Burke wasn't going to make a change they weren't 1 or 2 players away from being cup contenders from being a Red Wings or Kings or Penguins type team.

 

[Auston Marlander]

"Burke should be fired"

- Bomber0104

Circa 150 times since 2008

I stand by my comment. Saying something should happen, then having it happen does not mean it is the correct move.

 

[Woodman19]

I guess my thing with Burke is that I was happy with what he had done after the Kessel deal season.

Once Burke realized that his initial evaluation of the team was incorrect he began to sell of pieces like Beauchemin, Versteeg etc. He made moves for picks and prospects, and built an AHL team that is now a perennial contender and a decent young core for this team.

Its sad that a guy like Tambellini who finishes 30, 30 and 29 still has his job, while Burke, a guy who made some very good moves is out of a job.

Burke should go take over Edmonton, watch what he can do with a team with that much young talent. He'd have them surrounded with veteran pieces capable of making a run in no time.

The problem is he had the window to add lottery pick talent and instead traded it away, we will not be seeing that kind of talent in the draft for some time again. Imagine if Pittsburgh traded the picks for Crosby and Malkin so they could add a Phil Kessel or Chicago with Toews and Kane. Yes it was 1 mistake but sometimes 1 big mistake is all it takes to cost your job.

 

[ForzaItalia]

Way to go Rogers/Bell. This is a terrible decision at the worst possible time.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised as this is Rogers and Bell we're talking about. They can't even run their own businesses properly!

Hey man. Speak for Rogers! :p

 

[Mess]

If anyone was going to make a BAD DEAL for Luongo it was BURKE not Nonis who said he builds patiently.

From day 1 in Toronto Burke's mouth continued to write cheques that his butt simply couldn't cash.

His arrogance and ego always getting the better of him, as his sound bites resonated throughout the hockey world, and discussed at infinitum.

Leafs have been a bottom 10 (often bottom 5 team) under Burke and he was embarrassing the organization top to bottom with his antics and failures, making the Leafs a laughing stock. MLSE considers themselves a flagship NHL organization and loyal fan base and this level of failure was simply just no longer tolerated..

 

[p.l.f.]

frattin or kadri ?
i keep frattin
better fit for RC

 

[pspot]

He also mentioned how they didn't use the justified reasons though. And really didn't give anyone a reason, nor are any of the board commenting on said reasons. They all made a decision and ran and hid.

he was fired for his relationship with the media and the BOG and not actually fired for the reason's he should have been.

 

[BoHorvat53]

Gotta be about Luongo. Either Burke didn't pull the trigger or overpaid largely.

My opinions of Nonis with Van:
-Good at keep prospects/young players
-Loved that he signed Mitchell/acquired Lu
-HATE his drafting
-Vancouver owners told him to spend money and contend, signs fringe players like Ritchie/Isbister.
-He is VERY conservative. He doesn't make a move unless he knows it will work, pretty much, but that might mean he makes little to no moves at all.

Honestly, glad he was fired. Too little transactions on his part when he was told to spend money.

 

[Proust*]

Burke was entering the last stages of his current contract and with is lack of success to date, and mounting pressure now, but in a lame duck GM position to succeed, might have caused valid concern at MLSE that he would make moves to saves his own job at the expense of what ids best for the franchise going forward.

This situation can be very dangerous and harmful to the organization, so they nipped it in the bud prior to the trade season opening and more potential damaging moves were coming down the pipeline in short order.

Timing is perfect by MLSE if that was a valid concern of the board of directors to protect the assets of the organization.

This is a horrible analysis, sorry. You have Burke and MLSE reversed.

 

[pdmuck]

I guess my thing with Burke is that I was happy with what he had done after the Kessel deal season.

Once Burke realized that his initial evaluation of the team was incorrect he began to sell of pieces like Beauchemin, Versteeg etc. He made moves for picks and prospects, and built an AHL team that is now a perennial contender and a decent young core for this team.

Its sad that a guy like Tambellini who finishes 30, 30 and 29 still has his job, while Burke, a guy who made some very good moves is out of a job.

Burke should go take over Edmonton, watch what he can do with a team with that much young talent. He'd have them surrounded with veteran pieces capable of making a run in no time.

You're right - Burke built a good AHL team - too bad they are playing in the NHL!

 

[FireEverybody*]

Leafs have been a bottom 10 (often bottom 5 team) under Burke and he was embarrassing the organization top to bottom with his antics and failures, making the Leafs a laughing stock. MLSE considers themselves a flagship NHL organization and loyal fan base and this level of failure was simply just no longer tolerated..

They would have fired him 6 months ago if this was the case.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

Anybody else have a really strong sinking feeling in their stomach right now? I'm literally scared ****less about this Luongo crap.

I feel like I'm waiting for a phone call to find out if I have a terminal illness or not

 

[topched]

The problem is he had the window to add lottery pick talent and instead traded it away, we will not be seeing that kind of talent in the draft for some time again. Imagine if Pittsburgh traded the picks for Crosby and Malkin so they could add a Phil Kessel or Chicago with Toews and Kane. Yes it was 1 mistake but sometimes 1 big mistake is all it takes to cost your job.

Oh i'm with you there. He did make that mistake.

But you'd think that after Boston picks up Seguin and Hamilton Burke would be out the door.

Instead MLSE leaves him in place to continue to correct that mistake, and as he gets this thing going in the right direction they decide that he's gotta pay for those original mistakes? It boggles my mind.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

I guess my thing with Burke is that I was happy with what he had done after the Kessel deal season.

Once Burke realized that his initial evaluation of the team was incorrect he began to sell of pieces like Beauchemin, Versteeg etc. He made moves for picks and prospects, and built an AHL team that is now a perennial contender and a decent young core for this team.

Its sad that a guy like Tambellini who finishes 30, 30 and 29 still has his job, while Burke, a guy who made some very good moves is out of a job.

Burke should go take over Edmonton, watch what he can do with a team with that much young talent. He'd have them surrounded with veteran pieces capable of making a run in no time.

Two completely different scenarios. Edmonton have been this crappy more or less because they want those high picks while Burke traded his away to get to the playoffs. Now Oilers are loaded for the future with great talent and all we have is a good AHL team...