Former Bruins David Krejci announces retirement.

[BruinDust]

Right. I was thinking maybe I didn’t wanna go down the Krejci gets crap wingers but that’s a big part of it. Could David have up big numbers with Marchand if that was the pair? Probably, but the chemistry between Bergeron and Marchand dictated they stay together so Krejci got the next tier of wingers and as a unit they weren’t as trusted in their own end.

Yup, really came down to how much the coach trusted his wingers as the time. It wasn't a knock on Krejci's play without the puck but more reflective of who is line-mates were, as well as the capabilities of the other 3 lines.

It didn't help him that Marchand and Bergeron have been married at the hip more than any two forwards that I can remember. It's extremely rare whereas normally you'd have more movement of the wingers up and down and Krejci would of gotten to play with a Marchand more often and then would of been placed in more defensive situations.

 

[lextune]

This is an all time brutal take, imo

The only take I offered was that I thought Krejci should have been used on the 1st PP unit more in his career.

Everything else was just me presenting stats.

EDIT: I should correct myself and say there is another take, I'm saying Krejci did not score "lots" of his points on the powerplay. Which was the point I was trying to convey, but somehow it seems to have been misconstrued.

 

[lextune]

These are all-time great offensive players. They drive the power play for their teams. They put the puck in the net. They do not feast on secondary assists like Krejci on the PP..

Correct. Which is why I would never, and didn't, compare them.

You said he had "lots" of powerplay points. I showed you his percentage.

Then I offered up players who scored a significantly higher percentage of their points on the powerplay. So people could understand what constitutes a high percentage.

I am trying to show that Krejci did not score a particularly high percentage of his points on the powerplay.

That's it.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

These are all-time great offensive players. They drive the power play for their teams. They put the puck in the net. They do not feast on secondary assists like Krejci on the PP..

Krejci has more ES assists than Bergeron in their career, and that's with Bergeron playing 262 more games than Krejci

 

[Over the volcano]

Of players that have played at least 200 games for the Bruins, Krejci is tied with Derek Sanderson for 36th in points per game.

Bergeron is only 28th, but he has nearly 200 more goals and a much higher plus/minus. And then there are all of those Selke trophies.

Oh my valve

 

[lextune]

People are free to think 25% is a lot, but I don't think it is.

When I show what I think IS a lot, that does not mean I'm comparing the players. Perhaps I could have made that clearer, but I don't see how.

 

[Fire Sweeney]

Love how this place can rip him for both being too dependent on PP pts and also for only getting PP pts "by default" because "he's too one dimensional".

Meanwhile he's top ten all time in production for the team.

"Yeah he's tallied some points but. . . "

The good old blame the euro mentality... if it wasn't Rask it was Krejci.

 

[LSCII]

The only take I offered was that I thought Krejci should have been used on the 1st PP unit more in his career.

Everything else was just me presenting stats.

EDIT: I should correct myself and say there is another take, I'm saying Krejci did not score "lots" of his points on the powerplay. Which was the point I was trying to convey, but somehow it seems to have been misconstrued.

I got what you were saying and it's certainly a valid take. I personally hated him on the PP especially at the defenseman spot. He far too often did the cross ice pass at the blue line that got turned around for an odd man rush the other way. Drove me nuts. That and the reluctance to actually shoot the f***ing puck. lol

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Krejci has more ES assists than Bergeron in their career, and that's with Bergeron playing 262 more games than Krejci

Correct.

He's a better playmaker.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Correct. Which is why I would never, and didn't, compare them.

You said he had "lots" of powerplay points. I showed you his percentage.

Then I offered up players who scored a significantly higher percentage of their points on the powerplay. So people could understand what constitutes a high percentage.

I am trying to show that Krejci did not score a particularly high percentage of his points on the powerplay.

That's it.

Still, you are not comparing him to comparable players.

First line players score more on the PP than 2nd line players.

Let's say this: Krejci got more PP opportunity than most 2nd line centers, hence more PP points.

 

[Over the volcano]

Correct.

He's a better playmaker.

Always baffled me where those assists came from - year after year he's playing with Kase, Heinen, Smith and Kuhlman. His line was always called the 2nd line just because he was on it.

Can only imagine what his numbers would have been like if he was given real weapons. We all assume Lucic and Horton were offensive dynamos for him, but even those two never came close to producing what they did with Krejci after.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Always baffled me where those assists came from - year after year he's playing with Kase, Heinen, Smith and Kuhlman. His line was always called the 2nd line just because he was on it.

Can only imagine what his numbers would have been like if he was given real weapons. We all assume Lucic and Horton were offensive dynamos for him, but even those two never came close to producing what they did with Krejci after.

Horton's best seasons were actually in Florida, 31-31-62 and 27-35-62. Only scored 53 points in his one full season in Boston.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Horton's best seasons were actually in Florida, 31-31-62 and 27-35-62. Only scored 53 points in his one full season in Boston.

He burned put pretty quick, 27-28 years of age.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Horton's best seasons were actually in Florida, 31-31-62 and 27-35-62. Only scored 53 points in his one full season in Boston.

guess playoffs don't count.

 

[chizzler]

What are we doing here. He’s been a good player for the Bruins. A bit over paid at the beginning of that big contract, but what ever. No player is perfect. The real question, we are wondering, is he coming back? I don’t think it’s his choice this time around. Simple?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

guess playoffs don't count.

Because Horton never played in a playoff game outside of Boston, it would be hard to make a comparison.

 

[13Hockey]

Krejci Per 82 Games
18-45-63 All
14-32-46 Even Strength
4-12-16 Powerplay

Krejci Per 82 Playoffs
22-42-64 All
15-30-45 Even Strength
7-12-19 Powerplay

Bergeron Per 82 Games
28-38-66 All
18-26-44 Even Strength
8-11-19 Powerplay

Bergeron Per 82 Playoffs
22-38-60 All
14-27-41 Even Strength
8-10-18 Powerplay

Bergeron played basically his entire career with Marchand and half with Pasta

Krejci played his whole career with revolving doors besides for 3 seasons of Lucic and Horton

From 14-21 Krejci was basically on a island and he still produced every year and was not on PP1 once Cassidy took control

14-15 most common line mates

Krejci= Lucic+ Griffin
PPG 0.66
Bergeron= Marchand+Smith
PPG 0.68

15-16 most common line mates

Krejci= Eriksson + Beleskey
PPG 0.88
Bergeron= Marchand+ Connolly
PPG 0.86

16-17 most common linemates

Krejci= Backes + Spooner
PPG 0.66
Bergeron= Marchand + Pastrnak
PPG 0.67

17-18 most common linemates

Krejci= Spooner + DeBrusk
PPG 0.69
Bergeron= Marchand + Pastrnak
PPG 0.98

18-19 most common linemates

Krejci= DeBrusk + Heinen
PPG 0.90
Bergeron= Marchand + Pastrnak
PPG 1.22

19-20 most common linemates

Krejci= DeBrusk + Kuhlman
PPG 0.70
Bergeron= Marchand + Pastrnak
PPG 0.92

20-21 most common linemates

Krejci= Hall + Smith
PPG 0.86
Bergeron= Marchand+ Pastrnak
PPG 0.89

22-23 most common linemates

Krejci = Zacha+ Pastrnak
PPG 0.80
Bergeron= Marchand + DeBrusk
PPG 0.74

 

[13Hockey]

Also for people who say he didn’t live up too his contract LOL

his 6 year deal started in 15-16 he played with nothing but bums besides DeBrusk and 20 games with Hall with not much PP1 time

And he still managed to average 64 points a season

 

[Over the volcano]

Horton's best seasons were actually in Florida, 31-31-62 and 27-35-62. Only scored 53 points in his one full season in Boston.

Yeah I was saying that neither was better after krejci. Horton was a few years removed from his best seasons and I'd be willing to bet if you asked him which years were his best it probably wouldn't be FLA regular seasons

Has any player ever been better after playing with krejci?

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Krejci Per 82 Games
18-45-63 All
14-32-46 Even Strength
4-12-16 Powerplay

Krejci Per 82 Playoffs
22-42-64 All
15-30-45 Even Strength
7-12-19 Powerplay

Bergeron Per 82 Games
28-38-66 All
18-26-44 Even Strength
8-11-19 Powerplay

Bergeron Per 82 Playoffs
22-38-60 All
14-27-41 Even Strength
8-10-18 Powerplay

Bergeron played basically his entire career with Marchand and half with Pasta

Krejci played his whole career with revolving doors besides for 3 seasons of Lucic and Horton

From 14-21 Krejci was basically on a island and he still produced every year and was not on PP1 once Cassidy took control

14-15 most common line mates

Krejci= Lucic+ Griffin
PPG 0.66
Bergeron= Marchand+Smith
PPG 0.68

15-16 most common line mates

Krejci= Eriksson + Beleskey
PPG 0.88
Bergeron= Marchand+ Connolly
PPG 0.86

16-17 most common linemates

Krejci= Backes + Spooner
PPG 0.66
Bergeron= Marchand + Pastrnak
PPG 0.67

17-18 most common linemates

Krejci= Spooner + DeBrusk
PPG 0.69
Bergeron= Marchand + Pastrnak
0.98

18-19 most common linemates

Krejci= DeBrusk + Heinen
PPG 0.90
Bergeron= Marchand + Pastrnak
PPG 1.22

19-20 most common linemates

Krejci= DeBrusk + Kuhlman
PPG 0.70
Bergeron= Marchand + Pastrnak
PPG 0.92

20-21 most common linemates

Krejci= Hall + Smith
PPG 0.86
Bergeron= Marchand+ Pastrnak
PPG 0.89

22-23 most common linemates

Krejci = Zacha+ Pastrnak
PPG 0.80
Bergeron= Marchand + DeBrusk
PPG 0.74

Good stuff. Bergy's always received a lot more recognition, and none of that is undeserved, but the actual difference between he and Krejci in terms of their abilities, record and effectiveness is tiny. Bergy is the slightly more all-round player, a bit more consistent, DK is more naturally talented and his ability to impact individual games was probably higher.

Ask me to pick just one in their prime and I'd go with Bergeron, just, but I preferred to watch Krejci. I'm a sucker for the players who are smooth and smart and make it look effortless, and few have equalled David in that regard. Both phenomenal centers for the Bs for a long time. We have been lucky.

 

[LouJersey]

Also for people who say he didn’t live up too his contract LOL

his 6 year deal started in 15-16 he played with nothing but bums besides DeBrusk and 20 games with Hall with not much PP1 time

And he still managed to average 64 points a season

Still would have kept Seguin over him after 2013, not that it was an either or thing.

 

[mar2kbos]

Krejci was a beast and a great Bruin for most of his career, only Father Time has stopped him at this point. He even had a good season this year while it knocked on his door. However the injury and slowness he displayed in the playoffs this year (beast in years past playoffs) is not lack of skill just too many miles on the tread. The intensity wear is apparent on the core older Bruins. Time is a b*tch

 

[Over the volcano]

Krejci was a beast and a great Bruin for most of his career, only Father Time has stopped him at this point. He even had a good season this year while it knocked on his door. However the injury and slowness he displayed in the playoffs this year (beast in years past playoffs) is not lack of skill just too many miles on the tread. The intensity wear is apparent on the core older Bruins. Time is a b*tch

3 pt game 7

 

[mar2kbos]

3 pt game 7

Big whoop, one game. If you didn’t see the lack of his play the other games then you are willfully ignoring it. He was mediocre compared to some of his last playoffs. He was only good on the PP where the game slows to a level he could use his vision. 5 on 5 he struggled with the intensity.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Also for people who say he didn’t live up too his contract LOL

his 6 year deal started in 15-16 he played with nothing but bums besides DeBrusk and 20 games with Hall with not much PP1 time

And he still managed to average 64 points a season

its always funny to read the meeting of the krejci critic minds and their Krejci takes 1000 career games later.