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Prospect Info: David Jiříček, RHD (via CBJ - 6thOA, 2020)

no one here is answering the ? , why would cbj give up on him / trade him if he had this guaranteed bright future? to call this a low risk or med risk for all the draft capital we gave up is a joke. its a message board and im entitled to my opinion. several times i've been right and when i mention it say 2 years down the road every poster says "i never said that" posters will never change.
 
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DANOZ28 said:
no one here is answering the ? , why would cbj give up on him / trade him if he had this guaranteed bright future? to call this a low risk or med risk for all the draft capital we gave up is a joke. its a message board and im entitled to my opinion. several times i've been right and when i mention it say 2 years down the road every poster says "i never said that" posters will never change.
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A couple of points. First, I haven't seen anyone say that this kid has a "guaranteed bright future". Many are saying that it's a gamble and there is some risk involved.

Secondly, teams "give up" on players and trade them all the time. There are numerous examples of teams moving young players before they hit their prime. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Do the LA Kings regret trading Brock Faber in a package for Kevin Fiala? Possibly.

There's no guarantee that Jiricek turns into a solid top 4 player. But evidently, the Wild think that the tools are there, but he just needs some more time to develop into the player they think he can turn into./
 
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DANOZ28 said:
no one here is answering the ? , why would cbj give up on him / trade him if he had this guaranteed bright future? to call this a low risk or med risk for all the draft capital we gave up is a joke. its a message board and im entitled to my opinion. several times i've been right and when i mention it say 2 years down the road every poster says "i never said that" posters will never change.
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We're saying that because the best piece the Wild gave up has a fairly certain future as a #5-6 LD (Hunt) barring major developmental setbacks or leaps, while what the Wild got back has a still has a potential future as a #2-3 RD, and it's not a far-flung possibility as long as he can improve his skating.

The 1st is a late pick, and those pan out pretty infrequently, and when they do they tend to be bottom-6 forwards or bottom pairing defensemen, and the other picks are even later with even less of a chance of turning into a player.

No one is saying you don't need any picks, but the Wild have a very full prospect system right now, and they won't be able to develop all of the guys they pick if they keep picking as many players as possible in the draft. They only have one AHL top line to plug prospects into, they only have 50 contract spots available. There are constraints on quantity, so when you run up against them as the Wild have, it's better to use some future picks or current prospects as currency in order to "move up" in terms of quality when you have the rare chance to.

tl;dr They swapped a fairly easy to replace defenseman out by giving up fairly low-end lottery tickets with a potential, much harder to replace, top-4 defenseman.
 
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DANOZ28 said:
no one here is answering the ? , why would cbj give up on him / trade him if he had this guaranteed bright future? to call this a low risk or med risk for all the draft capital we gave up is a joke. its a message board and im entitled to my opinion. several times i've been right and when i mention it say 2 years down the road every poster says "i never said that" posters will never change.
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It’s low risk in that our prospect pool is stacked with guys and the one position we didn’t feel great about is the one we just added a former top 10 draft pick to.

I believe the 3rd/4th round picks were the picks acquired from the Dewar/Duhaime trades. So we traded Hunt+1st+2nd+Dewar+Duhaime for a high upside prospect, who’s one “flaw” (skating) now has access to a couple of the best coaches for that in the world (Ness’).

-late 1st
-late 2nd
-LD prospect that was never going to play here
-4th line fringe player
-4th line fringe player

That’s the way the package should be viewed by Wild fans. That’s a steal IF Jiricek is a 2nd pairing dman. That doesn’t take into account if Jiricek gets the training and progress needed to be a top pairing guy. We massively win the trade in that case.

You’re entitled to your opinion. People are also entitled to stating their disagreement with your opinion. That’s how freedom of speech works.
 
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I think a huge benefit is having both faber and buium being the likely guys who do a lot of the heavy lifting down the road so jiricek doesn't have to be THE guy. We just need him to contribute and if he booms great.
 
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MuckOG said:
A couple of points. First, I haven't seen anyone say that this kid has a "guaranteed bright future". Many are saying that it's a gamble and there is some risk involved.

Secondly, teams "give up" on players and trade them all the time. There are numerous examples of teams moving young players before they hit their prime. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Do the LA Kings regret trading Brock Faber in a package for Kevin Fiala? Possibly.

There's no guarantee that Jiricek turns into a solid top 4 player. But evidently, the Wild think that the tools are there, but he just needs some more time to develop into the player they think he can turn into./
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I basically see it as, we drafted early this year and with our 25th overall pick, we selected an overager who was WJC best dman and scored 69 points in 98 AHL games. And in a 2022 redraft, he would still go top 15 and go above Ohgren, who I love. That is great value, picking a prospect better than Ohgren at #25, who you were not going to get if we selected normally.

He could bust like any other prospect sure, but its just a great use of draft value when you know we are picking late in a weak draft.
 
Just a year ago there was some angst amongst Kings fans worrying about their tall, lanky, offensive-minded, top 10 drafted RHD with known skating and defending issues that couldn't break into the NHL but was lighting up the AHL (undoubtedly, some of that angst also stemmed from watching Faber tear it up after they traded him away lol). But Graeme's brother seems to be doing just fine now. And he was drafted a year before Jiricek

I think Jiricek just needs some more time to develop and, hopefully, he makes the most of it.
 
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MuckOG said:
A couple of points. First, I haven't seen anyone say that this kid has a "guaranteed bright future". Many are saying that it's a gamble and there is some risk involved.

Secondly, teams "give up" on players and trade them all the time. There are numerous examples of teams moving young players before they hit their prime. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Do the LA Kings regret trading Brock Faber in a package for Kevin Fiala? Possibly.

There's no guarantee that Jiricek turns into a solid top 4 player. But evidently, the Wild think that the tools are there, but he just needs some more time to develop into the player they think he can turn into./
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Pretty much perfectly said. Nobody is ever a sure thing. I’m not even saying Jiricek is a pretty sure thing. But teams give up on prospects too early all the time. And it’s not like this is a case where his value has fallen much. Do a redraft today: he doesn’t go much lower, if at all.
 
Further to that point. I’d take Slaf, Cooley, and Mintyukov over him as of right now. Gauthier, Nemec, Korchinski, and Matechyuck are a conversation but most of them don’t have a better production profile to this point, and certainly none of them have the physical traits that are so coveted by GMs. Even Yurov who I’m a big fan of and think is the next coming of Buchnevich, I wouldn’t take before Jiricek.

He’s not a sure thing, but that goes both ways. He could be better than people expect too. There’s still so much there.

I don’t think I’ve been this excited about a trade we’ve made in a long time.
 
JiricekSaveUs said:
Further to that point. I’d take Slaf, Cooley, and Mintyukov over him as of right now. Gauthier, Nemec, Korchinski, and Matechyuck are a conversation but most of them don’t have a better production profile to this point, and certainly none of them have the physical traits that are so coveted by GMs. Even Yurov who I’m a big fan of and think is the next coming of Buchnevich, I wouldn’t take before Jiricek.

He’s not a sure thing, but that goes both ways. He could be better than people expect too. There’s still so much there.

I don’t think I’ve been this excited about a trade we’ve made in a long time.
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Hmm. Enough to change your handle?
 
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Lauko went and picked him up at the airport. Seems there is already something comfortable with having a guy from the same country you're from:

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I'm with this @JiricekSaveUs fella. I'm super excited with this trade. The time was 100% right for this gamble. He may not amount to anything but even if he doesn't the club doesn't hurt. Not discounting a late pick sleeper star a la Kap, the organization is flush with the type of players those picks likely return. And if he does turn into a top 4 RHD (or, dare I say it, a top pairing RHD) Billy Big Balls will look like an absolute genius.
 
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Lauko went and picked him up at the airport. Seems there is already something comfortable with having a guy from the same country you're from:

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Completely forgot we had another Czech player. Very wholesome stuff.

I don’t think we will get his best until he is 26 or 27, but as a 6’5 RHD with puck skills he doesn’t have to improve a whole lot to be useful.
 
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GettingYourMoms said:
Great analysis by David St. Louis about his strengths and weaknesses.
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Seems like a worse skating, but much bigger, young Matt Dumba, especially in his decision making. Dumba was a high event player, too, and got knocked for his hockey IQ (which never made much sense to me, because he knew where to be, he just played with uninhibited aggressiveness and creativity).

Honestly, if he turned into a pre-pectoral injury Dumba, I'd be over the moon. That's a great offensive D that you can shelter a bit on a 2nd unit. He's got some abilities our drafted defensive prospects don't have, for sure, and that excites me a bit.
 
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JiricekSaveUs said:
Further to that point. I’d take Slaf, Cooley, and Mintyukov over him as of right now. Gauthier, Nemec, Korchinski, and Matechyuck are a conversation but most of them don’t have a better production profile to this point, and certainly none of them have the physical traits that are so coveted by GMs. Even Yurov who I’m a big fan of and think is the next coming of Buchnevich, I wouldn’t take before Jiricek.

He’s not a sure thing, but that goes both ways. He could be better than people expect too. There’s still so much there.

I don’t think I’ve been this excited about a trade we’ve made in a long time.
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lol, love the username!
 
I watched that video expecting Trenion level skating and came away disappointed. He’s not that bad
 
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I believe if the Ness family is working with him the next few months & upcoming offseason his skating will probably be good enough for the NHL. Skating will never be his strength but all the other tools are there for having a successful NHL career. If you pair him up with a defensive minded LD, who can skate, you might possibly hide his deficit.

His reach, hockey IQ and anticipation also could help him hiding his deficit.

Of course there is plenty of work to do and he is still a raw prospect. Hopefully his work ethic is similar to Rossi, then I don't think his skating will be a problem going forward. It's his personality what bugs me a bit, there are rumors about him being a selfish and complicated character. But maybe a change of scenery and a fresh start with a new franchise helps in that regard.
 
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I watched that video expecting Trenion level skating and came away disappointed. He’s not that bad
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problem is his awkward backwards skating, also he makes huge plays when it´s not safe to do so. Hope he puts his head out of his a** and do something about it.
 
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