Dave Hakstol Part V

[deadhead]

That's why cumulative stats don't tell the whole story.

No one thinks Hagg is a top pair D-man, eventually things will shake out and he'll move down the lineup, the way Filppula moved from the 2C to the NYI in a year. The thing with Hagg is he was given limited responsibilities as a rookie (touch the puck as little as possible) and is gradually expanding his game, though he has obvious limits. But they're not grooming Hagg to lead this defense.

Sanheim should be a top four defenseman down the road as should Myers, but both probably will benefit from gradually increasing their responsibilities rather than throwing them into the fire - for one thing, they're asked to do more than say Hagg or Folin, so they have more opportunities to screw up.

I don't believe in the "trial by fire" for most players, a few have the mental resilience to bounce back from failure and learn, but many regress if you challenge them before they're ready. It's not an exact science, but the idea that just giving a player more PT will make them better is a cookie cutter approach.

 

[XDevilBoiX]

Forget Q.... Hextall is scouring the HS ranks for the next coach...he just has to work his way up for the next decade until Hak retires. Slow cooked coach

Cook? How about a coach that can bake that was recently let go? Lol

 

[Striiker]

There is no situation where Hagg is better than Sanheim.

Literally none.

Sanheim, of course, has his flaws, but Hagg is inferior at every important part of hockey. Offensively, defensively, and in transition. Unfortunately hits don’t get you points in the standings and that’s the only thing he’s provides.

And yet, for some insane reason, this coach thinks he’s a top pair defensemen. What a horrible player evaluator.

 

[BillDineen]

 

[Audible Velvet]

I wonder, will this come in Taryn's segment?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Challenge accepted.

 

[kudymen]

Challenge accepted.

I immediately thought of you when I saw that post by @BillDineen

 

[Sawdalite]

imagine dane havsek as an NFL coach calling plays

25% of the time, run up the gut for minimal-to-no gain
25% of the time, checkdown for at most 5 yards
the remaining 50% of the time are just those mindless endless lateral plays that teams that are down do to try and score a TD with no time left on the clock.

"Doug Pederson is the worst HeadCoach in the NFL"... doesn't call plays correctly... gambles too much... runs trick plays... calls college plays.. Yada, Yada, Yada.

 

[deadhead]

Yep, that's why the end result is the only thing you can judge a HC on, relative to the talent he was given.

Every coach who wins goes from idiot to brilliant, and if his brilliance isn't understood by the pundits, then he become an unsung visionary if he keeps winning.

GOT: You win or you die (get fired)

 

[Magua]

Doug won a Super Bowl his second year. By dint of his self criticism, he defied the odds and showed massive improvement and on the job learning, championship or not.

We are in year four of the Hakstol Age. No results worth any applause as the roster has only improved; stubbornly doubling down on mistake after mistake; seemingly no change in coaching mentality or ability on the horizon. When then? What is the reason to assume such a thing will transpire?

The two are not comparable. But there’s always the wait and see approach!

 

[Striiker]

If Hakstol wasn't finding success but was using the roster he had available to the best of it's ability, then he wouldn't be at fault. But it's very obvious that he's not doing that and he's also not even learning from his mistakes.

He simply doesn't understand what's important in modern hockey and values all the wrong things. He's a slave to his own biases and it costs the team.

He's very lucky that he has such incredible star players, who are carrying this team and doing their best to outplay his mistakes.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

He's very lucky that I have found the forbearance somehow to not spend more than 16 hours per day trying to get him fired.

 

[Mkoll]

All of those people are wrong evidently, only our contrarians know the truth.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I am disappointed CDP is not on that list. Your game is lagging behind man.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Doug won a Super Bowl his second year. By dint of his self criticism, he defied the odds and showed massive improvement and on the job learning, championship or not.

We are in year four of the Hakstol Age. No results worth any applause as the roster has only improved; stubbornly doubling down on mistake after mistake; seemingly no change in coaching mentality or ability on the horizon. When then? What is the reason to assume such a thing will transpire?

The two are not comparable. But there’s always the wait and see approach!

Not to mention all of the injuries to key players Doug had to overcome. Dave's stars don't get hurt.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

People tend to argue about the idea of Pederson more than the actual philosophies he employs. He's much like Hinkie in that regard.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I am disappointed CDP is not on that list. Your game is lagging behind man.

Working on it.

 

[deadhead]

Doug won a Super Bowl his second year. By dint of his self criticism, he defied the odds and showed massive improvement and on the job learning, championship or not.

We are in year four of the Hakstol Age. No results worth any applause as the roster has only improved; stubbornly doubling down on mistake after mistake; seemingly no change in coaching mentality or ability on the horizon. When then? What is the reason to assume such a thing will transpire?

The two are not comparable. But there’s always the wait and see approach!

Football is on a 3 year cycle (most NFL contracts are essentially 3 year deals).
Hockey, like baseball, requires 6-8 years for full rebuilds.

This is the first season where there's been a net talent improvement (well, when JVR returns to the lineup), the last six years, we eroded talent the first couple years, then tread water as young players replaced veterans (Provorov for Kimmo, Ghost for Streit, Patrick for Schenn, etc), finally the young players have arrived as established NHL players and more young players are behind them. JVR is the icing on the cake this year.

Goalies are still the key, it's not just the Flyers, Florida, Pittsburgh, the Caps - if you can't field a reliable goalie (doesn't have to be a top 10 player, just not a sieve) talent won't save you.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Goalies are still the key, it's not just the Flyers, Florida, Pittsburgh, the Caps - if you can't field a reliable goalie (doesn't have to be a top 10 player, just not a sieve) talent won't save you.

I recall you singing a very different tune in Carolina discussions.

I agree for what it’s worth. Curious why you dislike divorcing Skater metrics from Goalie ones so ,icy given this.

 

[FlyerNutter]

The man has sucked nearly all enjoyment out of watching this team for me with his moronic approach to the game, and obsession with playing his no talent scrubs.

Sure wins might eventually draw people in, but it sure as hell isnt going to be their style of play.

 

[FlyerNutter]

The sick thing is that Hextall is going to miss out on a great coach in Quenville for this dumbass.

Hak will stay on and be forced out at the end of his contract because the team will continue to flounder in mediocrity and at best, first round exits.

Even the blind can see this coming, but Hextall is going to be loyal to his man. f*** them both.

 

[deadhead]

Quenville isn't available until this summer, he may not even want to coach at that point, he makes $6M by staying home, so he's going to pick and choose his next situation, and his choice may be driven by personal considerations.

 

[deadhead]

I recall you singing a very different tune in Carolina discussions.

I agree for what it’s worth. Curious why you dislike divorcing Skater metrics from Goalie ones so ,icy given this.

If you're going by metrics, Hakstol is playing the right players.
Folin, Weise, Weal are all excelling.
Now if I were a betting man, would I count on this for 82 games? Nah.
But right now playing the hot hand makes a lot of sense.

Note that Hakstol and Hextall talk about players everyday, according to Ron, which suggests that who plays is tied to both the NHL team, the AHL team and the TDL. That is, they're both aware of how players are performing, but also the short (1 month) and longer-term (this spring) options might be.

So Simmonds might be getting PT over say NAK b/c Ron has to make a decision at some point this season (extend, trade, let walk as a UFA) and as long as Simmonds isn't hurting the team (playing worse than NAK), showcasing him keeps an option open. So NAK will probably go back to LHV when JVR and Raffl return to play real minutes, but Hextall will have a feel whether he can step in if needed.

If Ron decides in January that some AHL players are playing so well they need to be promoted, he could also move Weise (if he continues to play well with only one year left on his deal), Weal or Raffl at the TDL.

 

[CapnZin]

There is no situation where Hagg is better than Sanheim.

Literally none.

Sanheim, of course, has his flaws, but Hagg is inferior at every important part of hockey. Offensively, defensively, and in transition. Unfortunately hits don’t get you points in the standings and that’s the only thing he’s provides.

And yet, for some insane reason, this coach thinks he’s a top pair defensemen. What a horrible player evaluator.

Not to play devils advocate, but I can name one situation-

Suppression of A+ opportunity in front of the net.
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In rank of suppression metrics:
1) Gudas
2) Provorov
3) Hagg
4) Ghost
5) Folin
6) Sanheim

That’s just for in front of the net.

 

[deadhead]

Let's see, what situations is suppression in front of the net important?

PK
End of game when opposing teams send all 5 players into the D-zone to pressure and attack the net.

When does Hagg play over Sanheim and Ghost?
Why has Gudas been paired with Provorov at the end of games recently?