Dave Hakstol Part V

[CapnZin]

You miss my point (or are twisting it). I didn’t say he runs an outdated system. I said I bet some fans claim he does.

This is why the PP isn’t working that well. All PK teams have to do is shutdown the Giroux/Ghost side and play doesn’t move. We’ve always seen a high density of shots taken from the Giroux side and the point, but this year... it’s completely shifted to the Giroux side.

In 2017-2018, the highest density of shots came from the point, but were also allocated to both dots. In 2016-2017, there was a diamond of dots, point, and net where allocation of shots were highly distributed.

Shots need to be more diverse on the PP.

HDO GALORE!!!!!! Just look at it. How does Lappy not change the D play near the net or on the stick side dot.

Generally speaking, there can be 3 tranches of High Danger Opportunities. The dotted line isn’t explicitly a HDO, but it creates a good scoring opportunity. The area labeled 1 is the typically HDO and within. The area of the smallest rectangle is an A+ scoring opportunity.

Philly D has done a decent job at suppressing A opportunities, but play seems to seep through.

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All of these “metrics” and “visuals” tell one story: Hakstols system is outdated.

If you look at the density of Shots Allowed during the 2007-2008, 2008-2009, 2010-2011, 2011-2012 season, it spells the same picture... however, with skill, speed, and offensive applicability increasing heavily, our D coverage needs to increase too. More teams are solidifying and converting in those A+ chances. That red dot near the crease needs to be dark blue.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

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This is why the PP isn’t working that well. All PK teams have to do is shutdown the Giroux/Ghost side and play doesn’t move. We’ve always seen a high density of shots taken from the Giroux side and the point, but this year... it’s completely shifted to the Giroux side.

In 2017-2018, the highest density of shots came from the point, but were also allocated to both dots. In 2016-2017, there was a diamond of dots, point, and net where allocation of shots were highly distributed.

Shots need to be more diverse on the PP.
View attachment 152853
HDO GALORE!!!!!! Just look at it. How does Lappy not change the D play near the net or on the stick side dot.
View attachment 152855
Generally speaking, there can be 3 tranches of High Danger Opportunities. The dotted line isn’t explicitly a HDO, but it creates a good scoring opportunity. The area labeled 1 is the typically HDO and within. The area of the smallest rectangle is an A+ scoring opportunity.

Philly D has done a decent job at suppressing A opportunities, but play seems to seep through.

—————————————————————

All of these “metrics” and “visuals” tell one story: Hakstols system is outdated.

If you look at the density of Shots Allowed during the 2007-2008, 2008-2009, 2010-2011, 2011-2012 season, it spells the same picture... however, with skill, speed, and offensive applicability increasing heavily, our D coverage needs to increase too. More teams are solidifying and converting in those A+ chances. That red dot near the crease needs to be dark blue.

I agree, Fire Hakstok.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

They say, "Gingers have no souls."
Nay, I say. Tis the lawyers who have no souls.

Gingers too, though.

 

[bauer]

Unfortunately, it's an underachieving team and the head coach and staff need to be held accountable for that.

 

[bauer]

The Caps are a lot less tight defensively this year yet with largely the same roster. I wonder if something changed that could impact how the entire roster plays? Hmm.

Really shoots down attempts to minimize the importance of coaching as a means of defending Hakstol.

on the flip side, the Islanders are playing much better despite losing Tavares. what changed for them? hmm.

 

[Rebels57]

on the flip side, the Islanders are playing much better despite losing Tavares. what changed for them? hmm.

#CoachingHiresMatter

 

[deadhead]

Islanders were the worst coached team in the league last year, but Kincaid also started hot, as he's cooled off, so have the Islanders.
Trotz is doing what you do with bad teams, coach to stay in games and hope to get lucky.
But has anyone here put money on them making the playoffs?

 

[deadhead]

All of these “metrics” and “visuals” tell one story: Hakstols system is outdated.

If you look at the density of Shots Allowed during the 2007-2008, 2008-2009, 2010-2011, 2011-2012 season, it spells the same picture... however, with skill, speed, and offensive applicability increasing heavily, our D coverage needs to increase too. More teams are solidifying and converting in those A+ chances. That red dot near the crease needs to be dark blue.

We also need better personnel, all those hyping about skill ignore you need defensemen who can challenge forwards in the slot and clear them out of the crease, and forwards with the size to park in the slots and the hands to convert opportunities into goals (i.e. why Hextall signed JVR).

Ghost, Sanheim, AMac lack any sort of strength in dirty areas, and it shows.
Hagg, Folin and Gudas lack quickness and lateral agility.

 

[FLYguy3911]

This guy is such a p***y.

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

imagine dane havsek as an NFL coach calling plays

25% of the time, run up the gut for minimal-to-no gain
25% of the time, checkdown for at most 5 yards
the remaining 50% of the time are just those mindless endless lateral plays that teams that are down do to try and score a TD with no time left on the clock.

 

[Embiid]

View attachment 152851
This is why the PP isn’t working that well. All PK teams have to do is shutdown the Giroux/Ghost side and play doesn’t move. We’ve always seen a high density of shots taken from the Giroux side and the point, but this year... it’s completely shifted to the Giroux side.

In 2017-2018, the highest density of shots came from the point, but were also allocated to both dots. In 2016-2017, there was a diamond of dots, point, and net where allocation of shots were highly distributed.

Shots need to be more diverse on the PP.
View attachment 152853
HDO GALORE!!!!!! Just look at it. How does Lappy not change the D play near the net or on the stick side dot.
View attachment 152855
Generally speaking, there can be 3 tranches of High Danger Opportunities. The dotted line isn’t explicitly a HDO, but it creates a good scoring opportunity. The area labeled 1 is the typically HDO and within. The area of the smallest rectangle is an A+ scoring opportunity.

Philly D has done a decent job at suppressing A opportunities, but play seems to seep through.

—————————————————————

All of these “metrics” and “visuals” tell one story: Hakstols system is outdated.

If you look at the density of Shots Allowed during the 2007-2008, 2008-2009, 2010-2011, 2011-2012 season, it spells the same picture... however, with skill, speed, and offensive applicability increasing heavily, our D coverage needs to increase too. More teams are solidifying and converting in those A+ chances. That red dot near the crease needs to be dark blue.

We need a visual of the density of Hextall's head to drive home the point further....

 

[CapnZin]

We also need better personnel, all those hyping about skill ignore you need defensemen who can challenge forwards in the slot and clear them out of the crease, and forwards with the size to park in the slots and the hands to convert opportunities into goals (i.e. why Hextall signed JVR).

Ghost, Sanheim, AMac lack any sort of strength in dirty areas, and it shows.
Hagg, Folin and Gudas lack quickness and lateral agility.

*You don’t have to look at the underlying metrics... just pay attention to the density of shots and their placement*

***All metrics and SA metrics are isolated

*Ivan Provorov*

- Earlier, someone said he wasn’t playing well. This is his chart throughout the year of defense given his “isolated” metrics.

He still has one of the best percentages of shot suppression and HDO suppression in the league.

Provorov pushes play to his support players (Centers and wingers) as you can see that most of the shot opportunities come from outside the defensive box. There are still a decent amount of lower end HDO, bad angle, but those aren’t A opportunities. He also plays his side of the PK pretty well.

Provorov is a very good Dman.

*Radko Gudas*

Very good defensively this year. Look at where the basis of SA are coming... even on the PK.

*Shayne Gostisbehere*

The red is a little alarming seeing that if play drops below the HDO (1st tranche) a scoring opportunity may arise.

*Christian Folin*

Not a lot of shot suppression. This pairing with Ghost does not look good in our own zone. Folin doesn’t look horrible per the eye test, but his defensive stature, with Ghost, will soon spell disaster. Same with his PK usage.

*Travis Sanheim*

Extremely alarming how many HDO “isolated” is given up by Sanheims play. This is nullified by Gudas. That’s why this pair works sooooo well.

Sanheim creates “suppressive” play in the middle. He plays most of his time with Centers Patrick and Weal. Most of these HDO come with Weal as C.

*Robert Hagg*

Haskols favorite defensive Dman toy WITH VIRTUALLY NO SHOT SUPPRESSION!!! Besides Sanheims HDO play, this is super scary considering Hagg is now a top pairing Dman for Hakstol. This is super scary.

He plays wayyy too far off entering forwards. That allows shots, not a high density of SOG from HDO, but anywhere that Hagg plays, this shows that there’s an opportunity!

Same thing about his PK play!!!

This is horrible.

To give Hagg credit, he’s actually pretty good on the crease... he just needs to play there.


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Hakstol pushes play to the perimeter. He likes to push play outside on defense too. That’s why there is a higher density of shots coming from the outside.

HOWEVER (very big however)

Solely pushing a perimeter based system leaves you vulnerable. That’s where we see red in and around the crease.


This system works in college due to skill level being much worse. This also worked back in 2008 too.

The game has changed.

 

[deadhead]

The above explains:
1) why Gudas double shifts with Provorov in the 3rd period
2) why Hakstol doesn't trust Sanheim and Ghost with a lead

Provorov's problem this year (much like last year but worse) comes down to bad turnovers, it's almost like he's colorblind and doesn't recognize opposing uniforms.

I think in the long run they need to replace Weal, Simmonds, Weise, Lehtera, Folin, but right now they're not hurting this team.

 

[Striiker]

I challenge anyone to say that players earn ice time based on quality of play.

I want to see someone actually type those words so we have it on record. I want to see if anyone is willing to tell a lie that big or if even the Hakstol lovers have been forced to give up pretending that’s true.

Go ahead... someone do it... I dare you.

 

[JXC]

LOL.

 

[Hakroach]

I challenge anyone to say that players earn ice time based on quality of play.

I want to see someone actually type those words so we have it on record. I want to see if anyone is willing to tell a lie that big or if even the Hakstol lovers have been forced to give up pretending that’s true.

Go ahead... someone do it... I dare you.

Players earn ice time based on quality of plaahghah. I tried just for the troll of it, but couldn't.

 

[deadhead]

Players earn time based on their role and expectations of their play in different situations.
Or do you want to claim that Weise hasn't earned his PT? That AMac hasn't been glued to the bench?
That Ghost and Sanheim don't struggle when the ice gets crowded and they get pushed around?

Why does 36 year old Greene play more minutes than Butcher in NJ? Is their coach an idiot?

For Striiker, if you can skate and puck handle, you can be a Mr Softee and a hockey idiot, because he loves the Ice Capades.

Though I've noticed when the Flyers win, it's usually the games where they aggressively forecheck, win board battles and challenge opposing players in the slot.
Not the ones where Voracek and Weal circle in the O-zone, demonstrating their puck handling skills, or where Sanheim skates 100 feet only to finish with a weak ass shot on net.

 

[FLYguy3911]

This guy is going to be the Marvin Lewis of the NHL, isn’t he?

 

[hatcher]

Players earn time based on their role and expectations of their play in different situations.
Or do you want to claim that Weise hasn't earned his PT? That AMac hasn't been glued to the bench?
That Ghost and Sanheim don't struggle when the ice gets crowded and they get pushed around?

Why does 36 year old Greene play more minutes than Butcher in NJ? Is their coach an idiot?

For Striiker, if you can skate and puck handle, you can be a Mr Softee and a hockey idiot, because he loves the Ice Capades.

Though I've noticed when the Flyers win, it's usually the games where they aggressively forecheck, win board battles and challenge opposing players in the slot.
Not the ones where Voracek and Weal circle in the O-zone, demonstrating their puck handling skills, or where Sanheim skates 100 feet only to finish with a weak ass shot on net.

Great post and the truth.

 

[Striiker]

It's just too easy. You set a trap and they fall right in.

 

[wankstifier]

Andy Greene shouldn’t have played this much 2 seasons ago. He sucks more now

 

[Harhis]

imagine dane havsek as an NFL coach calling plays

25% of the time, run up the gut for minimal-to-no gain
25% of the time, checkdown for at most 5 yards
the remaining 50% of the time are just those mindless endless lateral plays that teams that are down do to try and score a TD with no time left on the clock.

He would be punting with 3rd down when leading.

 

[Striiker]

He would be punting with 3rd down when leading.

They'd score a field goal to go up 3-0 and then be taking a knee for the last 3 quarters, relying on their defense to stop the opponent.

 

[Crescent Street]

Still not fired? Cool, have fun with your mediocrity and first round playoff exits.

 

[Rebels57]

Still not fired? Cool, have fun with your mediocrity and first round playoff exits.