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Yes.
Understanding how insignificant you are in the grand scheme of things is the beginning of wisdom.
Dave Hakstol Part V
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Yes.
Understanding how insignificant you are in the grand scheme of things is the beginning of wisdom.
Don't be a turd, you know that I know that. I am only important to my gambling associates, and that is only because of my wagers.
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Who kicked a hole in the sky so the heavens would cry over me?
Who stole the soul from the sun in a world come undone at the seams?
Let him be turd
Let him be turd
It's unlikely that TB, Toronto, Nashville, Pittsburgh, Washington or Winnipeg, all in win now mode, will be firing their coaches this season. The offseason will be a different story. If Quenneville wants to jump right back in this season, then his next best bet is a middle of the pack team like the Flyers or a rebuilding one like Anaheim.
When Q took over in Chicago, he had 36 year old Nikolai Khabulin and 33 year old Christobal Huet splitting the goaltending duties. Niemi was Huet's backup until the playoffs in Q's second season there when the Hawks beat us for the Cup. If Q wanted to come here, Elliott won't make a difference as he will not be here next year.
This is all moot as Hextall won't even bother considering a coaching change.
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Who is to say Elliott won't be here next year?... Who would have guessed Neuvy would've been here the last couple Seasons?... Who will the Goalies be? I honestly have no clue who the Goalies will be at Season's end... certainly not the Backup, anyway.
Thing is He wouldn't know who Hexy has in store for the Flyers... maybe Elliott... maybe Bob... maybe Fleury... maybe Lyon/Stolie/Pickard... maybe any of those... but not Hart... or maybe Hart.
Q would have a murkier Goalie situation than he had going into Chicago... but I agree that Hextall will not bring in Q... but I do think that he would consider a change IF... if the situation proved to him that one should be made at the time... just not the Six Million Dollar Man who may be a control concern... and one he may not think is a proper fit for the Players at this time.
But who knows what lay ahead?
It won't be Fleury since he signed a long term extension with Vegas before the season started. Elliott? Just a hunch on my part that he will not return next year. I thought the same thing about Neuvrith, so my hunches aren't always right.
No matter who the coach is, Hak or someone else, the goaltending situation will be a mess until Hart hopefully lives up to his hype. Need a stopgap for a few years until Hart's time arrives. Doubtful that someone like Bob will sign for 2 years unless Hextall massively overpays for him. Hextall, should he chose to go outside the organization for a goalie, would probably have to look at a backup like Dell from San Jose.
David St Hubbins
Well, you're not as confused as he is.
Maybe someone with Photoshop skills can help a fellow out: Simple Hak!
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Maybe someone with Photoshop skills can help a fellow out: Simple Hak!
Its already been done by @Captain Dave Poulin
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Just a little thing mentioned on BSH radio. In the 79 games that have passed since the 10 game losing streak, we've operated on a season pace of 104 points.
I'm honestly surprised it's so high.
I'm honestly surprised it's so high.
Ruck Over
When the revolution comes, pants will do you no gd
That doesn't impress me. Unfortunately that's over two seasons, and in the interim of those two seasons was a horrible playoff loss. Cutting, parsing, and putting lipstick on a pig doesn't change the fact that this team is extremely mediocre, which feels like it should be an oxymoron. The team is outstandingly average, and the easiest thing to change is the coach, which most have agreed should be a first step to changing the team's extraordinarily mundane performance.
Some good at spreadsheets and math, what's the season pace of the Flyers since they concluded their 10 game winning streak?
Edit: used average twice, wanted to make use of a different word for flair, noticed when deadhead quoted
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The team is in the midst of a major rebuild, and we're gradually seeing the kids take over.
3 of the top six - TK, Lindblom, Patrick
NAK (22), Laughton (24), Weal (26) on the bottom six
Rubtsov, Kase, Voroybev knocking on the door
Our old defensemen: Gudas (28), Folin (27) with AMac benched
Myers, Friedman, Morin (in March) knocking on the door
There's mediocre as in treading water, and mediocre as in not blowing it up during the transition.
To play at a 100 point pace while working in younger players isn't a bad thing, is it?
We not only have a top ranked farm system, but again, prospects are meeting or exceeding expectations.
Compare to say NJ, which is playing just well enough to pick 15-20th every year, but has a farm system ranked 20th or so with only a few prospects to help a team that lacks depth. Now that's "treading water."
Losing to the Pens in 6 games with goalies putting up a .852 S% is not a horrible loss.
We were outmatched, but if Gudas doesn't melt down, we might have taken them to 7 games.
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Its already been done by @Captain Dave Poulin
I didn't do that one, Reb - @LegionOfDoom91 is the first one I saw use it, I think, or maybe Rage Kage.
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I'm genuinely shocked it wasn't you lol
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Striiker and i both made one around the same time last year, don't know whos was first
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Striiker
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If I remember correctly, you made one first, but I didn't see it until I already made this one.
Either way, great minds think alike. It's perfect.
David St Hubbins
Well, you're not as confused as he is.
Ruck Over
When the revolution comes, pants will do you no gd
The Flyers are the zenith of busily doing nothing. This rebuild you speak of was not to be a thing when the current GM got hired. Rebuild was incorrect, it was a retool. And then only tools were brought into the club if not acquired by drafting (*JVR isn't a tool, but to date he's only played 2 games for the Flyers this second go-round, verdict pending).
The drafted players are a boon. Patrick was dumb luck of the lottery gods, Provorov a payment-in-kind for a horrible season (as is the way the lottery is intended to function), TK a gem that many teams passed over, possibly an errant choice to do so.
Now for this next group you're really talking out of your ass- Weal is nothing to write home about, the recent good play aside, many, many folks, you included, have derided him as not being a NHL player. Same goes for Laughton. Has NAK played more than 10 minutes TOI yet? The next three are also a bridge to far for comfort- Rubstov may have been a video game junkie, is Kase going back to Europe, and Vorobyev a flash in the pan NHL showing relegated to the AHL in short order. Of the last six, none are realistically projected into a top 6 role (the expected difference makers).
The Flyers are at the same spot in NHL standings now, as they were then, ergo treading water. The peripherals may be better, but none of that is proven on the ice as of yet, nor bankable in the future with assurance. The whole of Flyers recent existence is bad goalies cost games, defensemen make mistakes or are not good enough (Manning, Gudas, AMac, Shultz, MDZ, Streit, etc.), and woulda coulda shoulda, bad match-up. That hasn't changed, a coach is supposed to mitigate those ills. Ills persist, change the coach. And worse of all, the Flyers are boring to watch. Literal snooze fest.
Edit: Erroneously stated JVR has played 3 games with the Flyers in this latest go-round. The correct number is 2.
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You don't trade Schenn for two draft picks if you're retooling, you trade him for a 20-21 year old prospect or two who can contribute as a top 9/top 4 player within a season (Forsberg, Kapanen). Same with all the trades FOR draft picks, but only 1 trade in 4 years where he gave up a pick (Mrazek). Watch what I do, ignore what I say.
Flyers are in a very different spot than six years ago, 2012-13 they were on a 84 point pace, with an aging team outside of a half dozen players, and zero cap room. Last five years they've made the playoffs three times while shedding talent for picks, because Hextall found cheap retreads and scrubs to fill out the lineup (MDZ, Schultz, etc.).
If Hextall made a mistake, it was doing too good a job at patching things instead of tanking, reducing expectations, getting a number of top ten picks (they lucked out with Patrick), and making it obvious he was rebuilding.
But we're at about the same spot we would have been with a full scale rebuild, expect we didn't miss the playoffs five straight seasons.
Flyers are in a very different spot than six years ago, 2012-13 they were on a 84 point pace, with an aging team outside of a half dozen players, and zero cap room. Last five years they've made the playoffs three times while shedding talent for picks, because Hextall found cheap retreads and scrubs to fill out the lineup (MDZ, Schultz, etc.).
If Hextall made a mistake, it was doing too good a job at patching things instead of tanking, reducing expectations, getting a number of top ten picks (they lucked out with Patrick), and making it obvious he was rebuilding.
But we're at about the same spot we would have been with a full scale rebuild, expect we didn't miss the playoffs five straight seasons.
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