Kings News: Dan Carcillo to the Kings for conditional 2015 5th rounder
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Whiskeypete
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further it isn't about fighting each and every time. it is just playing physical. a player can easily send a message back without dropping the mitts. LA lacked that physical presence for the late season and post season. Nolan, Fraser, Cliffy, etc are there for two things. physical presence and as damn near to a +/- of 0 as possible
yeah that can be Dean sending a message to guys that its time to step up their intensity.
Muzzinga
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agreed. Think if we had done nothing, we would have been a better team. Carcillo and Schultz are both plugs. Plus we have the inevitable and terrible trade of Martinez/Muzzin to look forward to
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Live in the Now
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If we had done nothing, we'd have lost Bernier to an offer sheet, or lost another player due to matching it and being stuck with him. And we would have King penciled in on line 2. How does that make us a better team?
We did nothing last off-season and we weren't a better team. On teams with little cap space, which is what our team is, you shouldn't get attached to bottom sixers and bottom pairing defensemen. We will be going through them regularly. If this trade means Clifford is gone, then whatever. As soon as he got closer to his UFA period he'd be traded anyway.
We did nothing last off-season and we weren't a better team. On teams with little cap space, which is what our team is, you shouldn't get attached to bottom sixers and bottom pairing defensemen. We will be going through them regularly. If this trade means Clifford is gone, then whatever. As soon as he got closer to his UFA period he'd be traded anyway.
Minor Boarding
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And enlighten me which of those things would Carcillo prevent?
Heck I'm going to tell you something shocking - Carcillo wouldn't have a roster spot in the playoffs...
But hey I will let you dream on with the idea that Dan Carcillo would be a factor in any of the playoff games played.
DryIslandBartender
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Carcillo is also a member of the Dry Island crew, that is Carter and Richie. Remember Carcillo was one of the few that defended Carts and Richie.
Kings now have too many forwards and too many D man.
I think a d-man and a forward will be packaged soon.
I think a d-man and a forward will be packaged soon.
Live in the Now
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Reclamation Project
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LOVE this move. A guy that takes zero ****, defends everyone, is very nasty, and can stir the pot. Perfect fourth liner.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Calm down, I am the furthest thing from a goon or fighting fan. I think staged fighting in hockey is the dumbest thing in all of sports.
But hockey is still a physical game, like whiskeypete said, the Kings have guys in the lineup to play physical and try and keep a +/- as close to even as possible. That is their job. That is why AEG gives Kyle Clifford, Jordan Nolan and Colin Fraser paychecks.
The Kings used a high draft pick on Kyle Clifford, there is no reason he should be outshined, outhustled, outskated and outhit by guys like Ryan Reaves, Adam Cracknell and Andrew Shaw.
Perhaps the Carcillo trade is sending a message to guys like Nolan and Clifford (whichever one is back) that the lack of physical play was not acceptable and won't be tolerated this season.
Minor Boarding
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I think getting Frattin as well as Scrivens back will be a huge win for the Kings soon. Bernier hasn't impressed me at all and was always overrated because of his draft position... He lost basically every starting goaltender position since his qmjhl and that includes WJC, WHC, Spengler Cups, AHL, NHL,...
Live in the Now
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The fun side to this is everyone complaining about this trade and other off-season moves when the Kings are the best team in the division. And I think the results this season will show that.
So you have to look at someones past, Look in the future buddy. Some people learn discipline.
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Primakov!
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As you said, the majority of those would not have been prevented by someone like Carcillo being on the ice.
Though I'd point out that the David Perron and T.J. Galiardi shenanigans would most likely have been curtailed if someone, really just about anyone, had confronted those players on behalf of Quick.
Neither of those players are what you would consider the prototypical physical agitating types yet they had no fear of retribution from either the Kings or the referees and took great pleasure in bumping, blowing snow, and standing right on top of Quick time and again.
It doesn't have to be Carcillo specifically, but someone needed to step up and draw the line in the sand that it's unacceptable to do that to their starting netminder and it never really happened. St. Louis did it and then San Jose picked up right where they left off and did it as well. It'll most likely keep happening until the team demonstrates that enough is enough.
It's that whole banding together and looking out for your brother-in-arms mentality that Lombardi harped on them about before. If it takes one crazy SOB of a player like Carcillo to do it first to get the others going then that's fine as long as SOMEONE does it.
And for some strange reason, I dont see a small 23 game sample as indicitave of the type of player hes going to be in the future.
Minor Boarding
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Reaves and Shaw >>> Clifford =<< Nolan and Carcillo
I don't care about draft positions when I think regular roster players. Shaw and Reaves are just better players than Clifford and Nolan. Replacing either of them with Carcillo isn't really improving the team...
Herby
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Ryan Reaves has emerged as a decent player and a great fighter but he only scored 4 goals last year and is already 26. Clifford and Nolan have not reached there potential yet.
deeshamrock
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First of all, there was no such thing as a 'Dry Island Crew'.
Secondly, this comment, aside from sounding very sophomoric, is relevant to absolutely nothing. As for the Dry Island itself, Richards explained that several times , it was no big deal, which got to be very annoying when reporters kept harping on it. Half the team didn't sign up and several of those that did, drank anyway (honor system).
Danny Briere also said it was nothing on a radio interview with Joey Vendetta in Toronto on the FAN 590 in July 2011 when he was up there for a golf tourney. He said Lavvy walked into the room on day and said he had to lose some weight and was giving up booze. He said he chuckled and puit his name on the blackboard and invited the team to join him. Danny B said only half the team did that and even then they cheated. he said it was just a locker room thing and was upset that MR and JC were misrepresented, other than the fact he said that the media preyed on MR.
Thirdly, Carcillo and most of MR's teammates defended him, esp Danny Briere who was so angry one day listening to the radio sports jocks crucifying him the day after the 2011 season ended, he pulled his car over and called them, and in an angry voice told then the attack was totally unwarranted, and went on to defend him as a great captain, leader, etc. Said the same thing Lappy did (when he replied quite angrily on a tv show when the host made an off comment bot Pronger being the real Captain, he said 'You've never been in the room, you're out of line'. He went on defend MR as all of his teammates have. Something the was also brought out in an article by one of the few objective writes, churck gormley (now wit hCNN Washington) that MR ( by the off the record poll he took ,talking to the team ) was liked and respected by every player in that room, but not Pronger.
Whatever they did socially or otherwise in 2009, 2010 etc, has no bearing now, nor should the antics of the Party hardy boys, Doughty and Simmonds. MR and JC are both in committed relationships and have been for over 2 years. What they did 5 of 6 years ago, on their own time isn't the same as it is now.
That gossip columunist who took the leak from the Flyers front office that Monday in July 2011 (timed for the day MR was flying to LA, that's how sleazy the Snider crew can be to try to tarnish MR and defend the trade) did more damage than an injury. No matter how many times it's explained, there is some clueless poster who will throw MR and JC under the bus again because of that gossip column , by a guy who I doubt ever saw a hockey game.
MR will be retired and this crap will still appear on blogs...it was trash then and is worse now.
What MR and JC were and are , are two skilled pro's who played hard, gave it all on the ice and helped to lead a team to the ECF in 2008 and 2010 and SC in 2010. Without them, the team is playing golf. But dont' let facts get in the way of trash.
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I"m for this trade. We need a criminal. We got pushed around way too much and I was tired of seeing Mike Richards being the only one who gave a ****.
Atleast now when one of our players get smoked, there would be a person to actually return the favor.
