Dale Weise

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

And a major symptom of a star winger is producing with no matter who he plays with and making people around him better. Obviously they're not Crosby and Malkin but Subban Pacioretty Price are a special trio.

Very valid. Star players have proven across the board, throughout history, that their ability to produce is largely independent of their linemates, but the "right" match can get more out of both sides.

 

[Andy]

Very valid. Star players have proven across the board, throughout history, that their ability to produce is largely independent of their linemates, but the "right" match can get more out of both sides.

Sure, but Pacioretty has been on a consistent pace all season long despite getting a revolving door of linemates. Last year we had to hear all season that his 39 goals were because of his chemistry with DD. Pacioretty is on pace for a similar goal total and more points while playing with almost every combination of the Canadiens' top 6 players, including a bottom 6 player. While the right match up can get more for both sides, it seems this year that one side of the equation is benefiting more from Pacioretty than Pacioretty from them. He's a beast and everyone produces with him: Galchenyuk, Plekanec, DD, Weise, PAP, Gallagher.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Sure, but I'm just saying that DD has seen his point total increase going back with Pacioretty. Patches just produces offense, players will get points playing with him. He drives the line by himself.

Before going back with pacioretty he had 5 points in 6 games and change I believe.

I think as a winger DD didn't play great and probably need further practice there long term but as a center(before Eller returned) to his return to center DD has been productive as C. 2.5PPG productive? No but that's the power of chemistry, some good bounces and a player strong enough to carry a line(pacioretty).

 

[malton]

The thing is, he's actually NOT miscast. He brings things to the Desharnais-Pacioretty line that are needed - net presence, board battling, speed, defensive awareness and toughness.

If we wanted to have a showcase first line that is super-skilled with three dipsy-doodlers, then Weise would be out of place....but that is not how the team is built. We have a 2- and sometimes 3-line offence, with numerous threats spread out across the lines, and in such a framework, Weise is a plus playing with Desharnais.

I don't mean that he is miscast in regards to his skill set. The tools he brings are exactly what Max needs on his line. He is just at a level much lower than what you would hope for on your first line.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Sure, but Pacioretty has been on a consistent pace all season long despite getting a revolving door of linemates. Last year we had to hear all season that his 39 goals were because of his chemistry with DD. Pacioretty is on pace for a similar goal total and more points while playing with almost every combination of the Canadiens' top 6 players, including a bottom 6 player. While the right match up can get more for both sides, it seems this year that one side of the equation is benefiting more from Pacioretty than Pacioretty from them. He's a beast and everyone produces with him: Galchenyuk, Plekanec, DD, Weise, PAP, Gallagher.

Which is probably an argument to keep DD and Weise on 1st line.

If Plekanec and DD will both produce with pacioretty, you might as well put the better all around player on another line.

Now, we're not sure that's the case just yet but I'm content with that because it leaves very good player for Plekanec(Gally, Chucky) and two good players for Eller(PAP, Sekac)

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

He's not a 4th liner that's for sure. He's showing that he can actually be effective in ANY roles, even on the first line.. Of course, not the ideal first liner.. but he has done a pretty good job so far on our first line, especially recently.

 

[malton]

Which is probably an argument to keep DD and Weise on 1st line.

If Plekanec and DD will both produce with pacioretty, you might as well put the better all around player on another line.

Now, we're not sure that's the case just yet but I'm content with that because it leaves very good player for Plekanec(Gally, Chucky) and two good players for Eller(PAP, Sekac)

Thinking about it in this sense it is a positive move for the rest of the line up.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Sure, but Pacioretty has been on a consistent pace all season long despite getting a revolving door of linemates.

What do you mean "but"? That's exactly what we're talking about.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Thinking about it in this sense it is a positive move for the rest of the line up.

Assuming they keep it up then yes although I would not be opposed to getting another RWer because as much as Weise has exceeded expectations I feel he has a limit. Not to mention, injuries happen so staying on top of things we go a long way.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

He's not a 4th liner that's for sure. He's showing that he can actually be effective in ANY roles, even on the first line.. Of course, not the ideal first liner.. but he has done a pretty good job so far on our first line, especially recently.

He shows up consistently enough with a good work ethic that I suppose we can upgrade him to 3rd liner.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

He's not a 4th liner that's for sure. He's showing that he can actually be effective in ANY roles, even on the first line.. Of course, not the ideal first liner.. but he has done a pretty good job so far on our first line, especially recently.

I think he's overachieving and as much as I like Weise we have to be careful. I hope MB is not sitting on this being content. It's a good thing to have, seeing Weise being a good complimentary player but hoping this will stick forever can be dangerous.

 

[Hoople]

The thing is, he's actually NOT miscast. He brings things to the Desharnais-Pacioretty line that are needed - net presence, board battling, speed, defensive awareness and toughness.

If we wanted to have a showcase first line that is super-skilled with three dipsy-doodlers, then Weise would be out of place....but that is not how the team is built. We have a 2- and sometimes 3-line offence, with numerous threats spread out across the lines, and in such a framework, Weise is a plus playing with Desharnais.

Exactly this.

He does bring physicality to that line. He is not the most talented forward but he does not "hurt" that line either.

 

[Team_Spirit]

This is how Weise felt against the Bruins this year :

 

[LyricalLyricist]

The reason why Weise is better with skilled players than someone like Eller is because Weise doesn't even want the puck on his stick. He gains possession and gives it off to a duo to let them work it out and goes back into position. Essentially, he's very much aware of his limitations and does not try to play out of his skillset.

 

[PricePkPatch*]

Weise proves you can be effective and make an impact by having the right attitude, doing things right and always work hard.

Great role model

 

[Sterling Archer]

Big Mac should watch Weise play. If he hopes to be that up and down anywhere in the lineup guy he said he wants to be look no further.

Weise making Torts look even dumber, if that was possible.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

 

[Chfan]

We may have actually underrated the guy. He's like a much faster and skilled Moen. And god knows how many games we played Moen in the top 6.

 

[mustardnight*]

Where are the people lamenting Therrien's lines? Weise has been a good plug because he knows his role.

the team doesn't have a top 6, it has 9 players interchanging and playing specific roles.

 

[MasterDecoy]

phew..

we were dangerously close to being in a desharnais thread again

when's his next contract? im worried he might be asking for a nice fat raise

 

[Saundies]

The stats above disagree. He's a detriment to his line, they have to make up for his bad plays and lack of puck skills - the guy can't make or recieve a pass on the fly, can't make good decisions, can't do any of the things higher-end players do. He hustles, that's it.

I'm sick of seeing "lunchpail and bucket" guys in the top6. Not Kostopoulous, not Darche, not Moen and not Weise.


Jesus Christ IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR?!

This is why you actually watch games and don't base everything off of stats.

 

[CH25]

phew..

we were dangerously close to being in a desharnais thread again

when's his next contract? im worried he might be asking for a nice fat raise

He'll get about 2-3m. No way more than Gallagher or Eller

 

[Habs]

Weise haters owned, once again.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

 

[MasterDecoy]

This is how Weise felt against the Bruins this year :

fun fact: o'shea jackson studied and got a degree in architectural drawing

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