Dale Weise

[LaP]

He'll get about 2-3m. No way more than Gallagher or Eller

It's really up to what he will do next season. Weise is still under contract for next season.

 

[Monctonscout]

He's not a 4th liner that's for sure. He's showing that he can actually be effective in ANY roles, even on the first line.. Of course, not the ideal first liner.. but he has done a pretty good job so far on our first line, especially recently.

Look at guys like Simmonds and Dupuis, they were never considered 1st liners but had good chemistry with star centers and put up good point totals.

People get too hung up on 1st line" and "2nd line" and "3rd line". Play guys that click to gether and let them go as long as it's working. If it isn't try plan B or C.

For whatever reason, RIGHT NOW now Weise is giving that line EXACTLY what they need, he can be the 3rd guy high with a lead, he can be the 1st forechecker with his size and speed, he can dive the net(like Gallagher but a bigger body). If it stops clicking, then try somebody else.

 

[Teufelsdreck]

Weise isn't creative but he's an opportunist. He's scored some key goals for the Habs. The trade of Diaz for Weise has paid dividends.

 

[Smokey Thompson]

He'll get about 2-3m. No way more than Gallagher or Eller

Let him get $3m in Edmonton. Not paying $3m for a plug who's sporting a 104PDO and who can't put up decent possession numbers (only Malhotra is worse...) despite playing with a top possession LW.

Bergevin won't give him more than $2m when the time comes.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Let him get $3m in Edmonton. Not paying $3m for a plug who's sporting a 104PDO and who can't put up decent possession numbers (only Malhotra is worse...) despite playing with a top possession LW.

Bergevin won't give him more than $2m when the time comes.

Agreed. He's a 3rd liner, lets not overpay him. 2 mil for 3 years seems 'fair'.

 

[Genesis76]

Weise isn't creative but he's an opportunist. He's scored some key goals for the Habs. The trade of Diaz for Weise has paid dividends.

Give him a chance....you dont need to be creative to score goals and points

 

[Smokey Thompson]

Agreed. He's a 3rd liner, lets not overpay him. 2 mil for 3 years seems 'fair'.

Yea a similar deal to what Moen got would be fair considering he's a good bit younger

 

[Nynja*]

Let him get $3m in Edmonton. Not paying $3m for a plug who's sporting a 104PDO and who can't put up decent possession numbers (only Malhotra is worse...) despite playing with a top possession LW.

Bergevin won't give him more than $2m when the time comes.

but corsi is a garbage crap stat that means nothing

 

[Kents polished head]

but corsi is a garbage crap stat that means nothing

It IS a garbage crap stat and it DOES mean nothing. It's not a coincidence most of its apoligists on twitter have 3 chins and have likely never played the game.

Just higher on this page, you have a guy actually justifying the fact he calls Weise a "plug" with possession stats and PDO. It's how ridiculous this whole mess has become.

If Weise ends up being a late bloomer who posts consecutive 15 goals seasons with good playoffs performances, he'll get his value, no matter how high his "PDO" is.

I guess you guys miss Diaz's great possession contributions? Doesn't matter if the guy is the worst sissy to wear the jersey in team history. He has a good CORSI%!!!

Most of the stats apoligists would have never pulled the trigger on a Weise-Diaz swap. I remember having actually watched Weise play in Vancouver and loving the trade. Still, the stats told these goofs otherwise.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

It IS a garbage crap stat and it DOES mean nothing. It's not a coincidence most of its apoligists on twitter have 3 chins and have likely never played the game.

Just higher on this page, you have a guy actually justifying the fact he calls Weise a "plug" with possession stats and PDO. It's how ridiculous this whole mess has become.

If Weise ends up being a late bloomer who posts consecutive 15 goals seasons with good playoffs performances, he'll get his value, no matter how high his "PDO" is.

I guess you guys miss Diaz's great possession contributions? Doesn't matter if the guy is the worst sissy to wear the jersey in team history. He has a good CORSI%!!!

Most of the stats apoligists would have never pulled the trigger on a Weise-Diaz swap. I remember having actually watched Weise play in Vancouver and loving the trade. Still, the stats told these goofs otherwise.

Corsi does mean something but it doesn't mean as much as people think. This obsession with 'advanced' stats is mind boggling.

 

[ECWHSWI]

It IS a garbage crap stat and it DOES mean nothing. It's not a coincidence most of its apoligists on twitter have 3 chins and have likely never played the game.

Just higher on this page, you have a guy actually justifying the fact he calls Weise a "plug" with possession stats and PDO. It's how ridiculous this whole mess has become.

If Weise ends up being a late bloomer who posts consecutive 15 goals seasons with good playoffs performances, he'll get his value, no matter how high his "PDO" is.

I guess you guys miss Diaz's great possession contributions? Doesn't matter if the guy is the worst sissy to wear the jersey in team history. He has a good CORSI%!!!

Most of the stats apoligists would have never pulled the trigger on a Weise-Diaz swap. I remember having actually watched Weise play in Vancouver and loving the trade. Still, the stats told these goofs otherwise.

would be nice if you could share your NHL experience with us

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

I like Weise but you have to know when to move him up and down the lineup.

You have to ride his hot streaks and move him down when he slows.

i didnt see tonights game but outside of the last two, he has been really quiet. Even versus NJ his goals came in garbage time when jersey had folded.

Biggest thing, knowing when to pul him off a top line.

 

[Hackett]

Yea a similar deal to what Moen got would be fair considering he's a good bit younger

I like weise. I've repeated in this thread that given the options available to the habs, he isn't a bad player to stick in the top 6 every now and then.

But the hope should be that weise becomes more expendable down the road (with guys like sekac, mcarron, and DLR in the pipeline).

They are all big bodies with varying but hopefully capable skill levels to do what weise does and do it better.

 

[Mr. Hab]

My only complaint...I wish (last summer) Bergevin gave him a 4-5 yr contract ($1.5mil/year+) VS that short 2yr ($1mil/year) contract.

We don't need a BIG name to improve the team for a LONG/GOOD playoff run...finding another Weise would be great!! (we would be able to keep all of our assets/picks/gem prospects,etc).

Diaz for Weise...genius trade
(I want another one like it to give us more top 9 depth!!).

I really don't understand the constant nagging and bitterness/hatred towards Weise playing in the top 6-9...if he fits...he fits. If he compliments...he compliments (he's delivering BIG TIME...so why complain and b**** all the time). DD+Pacioretty are VERY skilled, but...they obviously need a gritty power forward to compliment that line (sandpaper). If it works...give credit where it's due...stop the constant nagging/hatred/bitterness. Go Habs Go!! Go Weise Go!!


Playoff warriors/winners:
<PK Subban
<Price
<Weise
and more...


Non-playoff warriors (or not sure, yet?!):
<P-A Parenteau
<Emelin (I may be ok with him as our #5-6-7...I guess!? we do need him for his physicality and shot-blocking, but he really needs to improve his DEFENSE 101, but I did like his 20min+ VS Boston)
<Gilbert (I may be ok with him as our #6-7dman for playoffs...is he too soft for playoffs? we shall see..., but I did like his 20min+ VS Boston).



Weise:
get happy, be happy we have him...he's awesome!!
(full of heart, tall/big/gritty/physical, born to be a Hab, underrated shot/vision/passing, VERY fast skater). Amazing for our top 6-9.


Go Weise Go!!

 

[smirob]

I have to admit, I have been pretty hard on Weise and he is shutting me up pretty quick.
He has been great the last few games.

I don't see him as a bonafide #1 RW, but he is filling the hole for the time being.

 

[S Bah]

It IS a garbage crap stat and it DOES mean nothing. It's not a coincidence most of its apoligists on twitter have 3 chins and have likely never played the game.

Just higher on this page, you have a guy actually justifying the fact he calls Weise a "plug" with possession stats and PDO. It's how ridiculous this whole mess has become.

If Weise ends up being a late bloomer who posts consecutive 15 goals seasons with good playoffs performances, he'll get his value, no matter how high his "PDO" is.

I guess you guys miss Diaz's great possession contributions? Doesn't matter if the guy is the worst sissy to wear the jersey in team history. He has a good CORSI%!!!

Most of the stats apoligists would have never pulled the trigger on a Weise-Diaz swap. I remember having actually watched Weise play in Vancouver and loving the trade. Still, the stats told these goofs otherwise.

I see that you haven't forgotten the Diaz pass to Eller either, when Gryba blindsided him and concussed Eller. I'm certain Diaz won't ever forget that pass either small consolation for Hab fans, Bergevin getting Dale Weise for Diaz just Grand Larceny IMHO.

 

[Pricef*]

It IS a garbage crap stat and it DOES mean nothing. It's not a coincidence most of its apoligists on twitter have 3 chins and have likely never played the game.

Just higher on this page, you have a guy actually justifying the fact he calls Weise a "plug" with possession stats and PDO. It's how ridiculous this whole mess has become.

If Weise ends up being a late bloomer who posts consecutive 15 goals seasons with good playoffs performances, he'll get his value, no matter how high his "PDO" is.

I guess you guys miss Diaz's great possession contributions? Doesn't matter if the guy is the worst sissy to wear the jersey in team history. He has a good CORSI%!!!

Most of the stats apoligists would have never pulled the trigger on a Weise-Diaz swap. I remember having actually watched Weise play in Vancouver and loving the trade. Still, the stats told these goofs otherwise.

So true!!

 

[Mr. Hab]

I have to admit, I have been pretty hard on Weise and he is shutting me up pretty quick.
He has been great the last few games.

I don't see him as a bonafide #1 RW, but he is filling the hole for the time being.

I don't understand why some Hab fans would be hard on Weise...??
He came here as a 4th liner, and anyone who watched him would quickly realize that there's way more potential...with his fast speed, tall/big body, underrated hockey sense, shot/passing, grit/heart...he can definitely compliment skilled players on the 3rd, 2nd, and even the 1st. Some Hab fans seem so angry with this...but what other choices do we have? Soft-as-butter-currently-injured-PAP???? We need 1 more right-winger for our top 9... to keep improving out top 9 depth. I still see Weise in the top 9 'cause he's darn good, but we still need another right-winger (another Weise if he's out there!?!).

Hab fans should be hard on P-A Parenteau, not Weise, and also on Emelin (in the past...ZERO defense 101...and Gilbert, and maybe even Beaulieu (for the lack of offense), etc... but Emelin+Gilbert have been playing well as of late, so that's good, hope it continues...).

I don't understand why some Hab fans (not all) come here to bash Weise with ''not creative enough''...not a bonafide 1st liner''...''just a plug''...''can't believe he's on the 1st or 2nd''...''Weise is not good at this...Weise is not good at that...'',blah,blah,blah,etc,etc,etc,etc...

Who cares what it says on paper (4th liner, 3rd liner,etc)...if he can help us on the 1st, 2nd sometimes...GREAT!!!! (and he sure as heck is)!! Without Weise our top 6-9 is pretty average (and all it cost us is soft-as-butter-Diaz!!!!!).

I'll take another Weise...anyday!!
(but as a GM...I would have given him a 4-5yr contract VS that measly 2 yr dirt cheap contract...especially after seeing his playoff warrior performance in '14 playoffs...now he may be a UFA after next season...another contract to worry about...I really thought/felt he deserved a 4yr+ contract).

 

[Saundies]

When you watch the games, it's obviously Weise loves playing with Patch and they play well together... "BUT THE CORSI?!>?!>??!!?!??!!"

No. Corsi has it's uses, for sure, but it's not be-all-end-all in terms of line up decisions. Nobody here or in the hockey world is Billy Beane, and even Beane hasn't won anything with the Moneyball strategy. People need to accept stats for what they are: tools of assistance. It sucks going on social media and seeing these stats guys who have never played any competitive hockey in their life patronize you like they know something you don't. Newsflash: Game is played on the ice and not on Microsoft Excel.

/endrant.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

When you watch the games, it's obviously Weise loves playing with Patch and they play well together... "BUT THE CORSI?!>?!>??!!?!??!!"

No. Corsi has it's uses, for sure, but it's not be-all-end-all in terms of line up decisions. Nobody here or in the hockey world is Billy Beane, and even Beane hasn't won anything with the Moneyball strategy. People need to accept stats for what they are: tools of assistance. It sucks going on social media and seeing these stats guys who have never played any competitive hockey in their life patronize you like they know something you don't. Newsflash: Game is played on the ice and not on Microsoft Excel.

/endrant.

I like Dale Weise a lot. Loved how he handled himself in the playoffs against the Bruins, love how he shows no fear... but he shouldn't be on the first line.

As to your Corsi isn't everything... nobody is saying it is. But look at how that line is used. It's an exploitation line just like it's always been with DD and Max. Case in point:

With DD Max takes 63 percent of his faceoffs in the offensive zone and only 38 percent with Pleks. Those are radically different numbers. And most of the time when Max and DD were together they'd play with our best defense pairing as well.

So yes, the first line will probably put up some goals because it's being given easy minutes and tons of PP time. But the rest of the lineup suffers for it.

You can say "spreadsheet" all you want, at the end of the day though, it's a hell of a lot easier to score when you're always starting in the other team's end rather than your own. Of course those guys are going to put up numbers.

Like I said, I like Weise a lot. But he shouldn't be on the first line.

Give him a chance....you dont need to be creative to score goals and points

That's right, you just need easy minutes with our best players and the points will come.

 

[smirob]

I don't understand why some Hab fans would be hard on Weise...??
He came here as a 4th liner, and anyone who watched him would quickly realize that there's way more potential...with his fast speed, tall/big body, underrated hockey sense, shot/passing, grit/heart...he can definitely compliment skilled players on the 3rd, 2nd, and even the 1st. Some Hab fans seem so angry with this...but what other choices do we have? Soft-as-butter-currently-injured-PAP???? We need 1 more right-winger for our top 9... to keep improving out top 9 depth. I still see Weise in the top 9 'cause he's darn good, but we still need another right-winger (another Weise if he's out there!?!).

Hab fans should be hard on P-A Parenteau, not Weise, and also on Emelin (in the past...ZERO defense 101...and Gilbert, and maybe even Beaulieu (for the lack of offense), etc... but Emelin+Gilbert have been playing well as of late, so that's good, hope it continues...).

I don't understand why some Hab fans (not all) come here to bash Weise with ''not creative enough''...not a bonafide 1st liner''...''just a plug''...''can't believe he's on the 1st or 2nd''...''Weise is not good at this...Weise is not good at that...'',blah,blah,blah,etc,etc,etc,etc...

Who cares what it says on paper (4th liner, 3rd liner,etc)...if he can help us on the 1st, 2nd sometimes...GREAT!!!! (and he sure as heck is)!! Without Weise our top 6-9 is pretty average (and all it cost us is soft-as-butter-Diaz!!!!!).

I'll take another Weise...anyday!!
(but as a GM...I would have given him a 4-5yr contract VS that measly 2 yr dirt cheap contract...especially after seeing his playoff warrior performance in '14 playoffs...now he may be a UFA after next season...another contract to worry about...I really thought/felt he deserved a 4yr+ contract).

Sorry, to clarify: my issues were not with Weise, they were with his use as a 1st liner. Short term I'm wrong, long term I'm right.

 

[optimus2861]

With DD Max takes 63 percent of his faceoffs in the offensive zone and only 38 percent with Pleks. Those are radically different numbers. And most of the time when Max and DD were together they'd play with our best defense pairing as well.

And this is a dangerous thing. We saw it in the playoffs last year; Max & DD were coddled too much in their deployment last season, and when the games got harder in the playoffs, their production, especially DD's, went south.

Max has finally added some much-needed depth to his game by playing alongside linemates other than DD, namely defensive acumen, playmaking ability, penalty-killing prowess, etc. If Therrien sticks with the Max-DD duo (with or without Weise) the rest of the season, he's running the risk of losing the improved Max and rendering the line DOA in the playoffs again.

All so little Davey can pad his point totals again. Sigh.

I'm glad we whooped NJ and glad we beat Boston, as always, but the phrase about a blind squirrel finding a nut once in a while has been running through my head.

 

[Kents polished head]

would be nice if you could share your NHL experience with us

Yeah. That's totally what I said. That you had to play in the NHL to understand the game and its very nature... Way to read a quote.

 

[Habs]

Let him get $3m in Edmonton. Not paying $3m for a plug who's sporting a 104PDO and who can't put up decent possession numbers (only Malhotra is worse...) despite playing with a top possession LW.

Bergevin won't give him more than $2m when the time comes.

I have a feeling you don't even watch the game, probably never skated in your life. You just discovered statistics, throw it out there at every chance, hoping it makes you sound as if you know your stuff.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Yeah. That's totally what I said. That you had to play in the NHL to understand the game and its very nature... Way to read a quote.

AHL/Europe then ?