Dale Weise

[BaseballCoach]

I like Dale Weise a lot. Loved how he handled himself in the playoffs against the Bruins, love how he shows no fear... but he shouldn't be on the first line. .....

.... the first line will probably put up some goals because it's being given easy minutes and tons of PP time. But the rest of the lineup suffers for it.

You can say "spreadsheet" all you want, at the end of the day though, it's a hell of a lot easier to score when you're always starting in the other team's end rather than your own. Of course those guys are going to put up numbers.

Like I said, I like Weise a lot. But he shouldn't be on the first line.

That's right, you just need easy minutes with our best players and the points will come.

First, none of Weise's 3 goals this weekend came off an "easy" offensive zone faceoff. Most goals have to be earned, and are never "easy".

Second, DD might get "easy" points on the PP, but Weise certainly doesn't!!

So, in the end, Weise is not used as a first liner, since he gets no PP time. When it comes to special teams, Weise is used as a bottom-sixer, basically PK only, and not even top-2 duty.

It's all good. Weise is helping the team. And our two most dangerous forwards get to play on different lines, making things harder for the opponents.

 

[Wats]

Pacioretty making players look like top 6 forwards is nothing new. Pretty cool to see a guy do that on our team.

 

[lou4gehrig]

He'll get about 2-3m. No way more than Gallagher or Eller

He's playing out of his mind right now and still only pace for 35 points. $2m might be the max. I'd imagine he'd be somewhat loyal / endebted to the Habs for giving him this chance.

 

[Lshap]

Whether we think he's overachieving or not, Weise is playing like a top-six forward. If he keeps it up, the skeptics (me included) may have to revise our opinions based on what he's accomplishing. I still think of Weise as an ideal bottom-six guy; I hope he proves me wrong.

 

[Kojo]

I said he was a fourth liner and he had no place on the third line, before the season started.

I'm glad I was wrong.

 

[DangerDave]

He's playing out of his mind right now and still only pace for 35 points. $2m might be the max. I'd imagine he'd be somewhat loyal / endebted to the Habs for giving him this chance.

Let's hope so. It would be a shame to lose such a player. From first few games I saw him play I knew he was a gamer. So far, he's been everything that we could have asked from him and then some.

 

[PricePkPatch*]

I never told anyone this, but last playoffs, i really thought the loss of Weise against the Rags was what cost us the series in the end. He was a huge difference maker, a heart and soul playoff warrior. We lost a little bit of something when he was injured.

 

[SB164]

“I wasn’t nervous so much as excited for something to happen. Things were miserable in Vancouver, even if it was about going down on waivers, I had enough faith in myself that I knew I could succeed in a new situation

“I went into the dressing room, Tortorella was just standing there alone. He says, ‘There’s a trade in the works, I can’t tell you where to yet, there could be a few teams bidding right now.'"

“Then he just walked out of the room. Didn’t say goodbye, didn’t say good luck, nothing. That was it.â€

The next phone call came from Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin.

“(Bergevin) told me, ‘You know what, when I was (assistant general manger) in Chicago, we tried to get you,’†Weise said. “That’s huge, from going in Vancouver, where you’re at the bottom of the barrel, to being told you are wanted. It was validating.â€

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/h.../dale-weise-living-a-dream-with-the-canadiens

 

[CanadianODST]

How the ***** could Dale Weise not crack Vancouvers lineup? Tortorella is such a terrible coach.

 

[Rock On]

I might be wrong but he actually got a promotion to "middle six" forwards. He's not that talented but he do know how to use his tools. The good thing with him is he still can play bottom six if MB gets us a legitimate first line RWer and that will not create any drama. Oh and he's cheap. Good pickup !

 

[JuicyHam]

How the ***** could Dale Weise not crack Vancouvers lineup? Tortorella is such a terrible coach.

Weise was a healthy scratch a couple times last year and at the start of this year.

 

[Hackett]

How the ***** could Dale Weise not crack Vancouvers lineup? Tortorella is such a terrible coach.

Totorella likes to ride the top players more than any coach I know. The canucks had a pretty good record going into Christmas last season, but there was concern that giving the sedins, and kesler 20 plus minutes of ice time routinely was going to catch up. You can't do that on a west coast schedule especially.

When you give your top guys such heavy ice time, its coming at the expense of guys like dale weise, and the relationship was already sour from their days together in the ranger organization.

 

[Brainiac]

He's playing out of his mind right now and still only pace for 35 points. $2m might be the max. I'd imagine he'd be somewhat loyal / endebted to the Habs for giving him this chance.

One could hope.

The thing is, if he has a good PO run, it's his payday.

There's not much difference between making 7M or 8M long term. You're set for life anyways. But if you can squeeze an extra few Ms when your payday is 1-2M a year with a short career, you jump on it.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Even sweeter for Weise, he is in the NHL and Torts is not.

 

[Mr. Hab]

I never told anyone this, but last playoffs, i really thought the loss of Weise against the Rags was what cost us the series in the end. He was a huge difference maker, a heart and soul playoff warrior. We lost a little bit of something when he was injured.

Well, you can tell all of us Weise fans (like me!) about it.

I can't imagine our top 9 without Weise.
(I don't want to be in playoffs without him... Price, Subban, and...Weise).

I don't understand all the Debbie Downers here...Weise is VERY important to our top 9...1st, 2nd or 3rd line...wish we had another Weise for our top 9. Also wish we kept Ryan White for our 4th line.

Sorry, to clarify: my issues were not with Weise, they were with his use as a 1st liner. Short term I'm wrong, long term I'm right.

Weise as a 1st liner...for now, sure!! (if it works...keep going with Weise!). To me he's an awesome 3rd liner who can definitely help out on the 1st and 2nd lines...as long as it works...keep Weise there.

I'd trade Parenteau for another Weise.

We only have TWO good natural right-wingers right now (Gallagher and Weise... Parenteau in our top 9 worries me, but I do want to be wrong about him, in case we keep him!).

Long term (Weise as 1st liner)...I hope you're wrong, not because I want you to be wrong, but because it would mean that Weise is still doing well. I only see success with Weise...1st, 2nd, and 3rd line...only success. He had chemistry with Eller+Bourque...he also has chemistry with Pacioretty.

Weise is a great discovery/acquisition...I only wish he was given a 4-5 yr contract...not that measly 2yr contract ($1mil/yr). I'd extend him to another 3yrs...now.

And, I hope I'm wrong about P-A Parenteau...'cause I'm not sure I want him in our top 9 (or anywhere for that matter!) for playoffs. but if he's still here...I want him to prove all of us wrong (Parenteau is not a playoff warrior,etc). I don't want to be right IF he's still here when it's April (only as backup forward for the top 9...meaning forward #10 on the bench). I really hope Bergevin will get one more right-winger for the top 9 and maybe even a 4th liner who can bring lots of energy and speed (playoff grit/heart... I miss Ryan White for our 4th line).



Go Weise Go!!

He's playing out of his mind right now and still only pace for 35 points. $2m might be the max. I'd imagine he'd be somewhat loyal / endebted to the Habs for giving him this chance.

I really really hope so...Price, Subban, Weise are my 3 favorites.
(huge playoff warriors).

I'd give him that 3yr extension as soon as possible before it will cost too much. $2mil/year X 3 yrs...?

 

[Nynja*]

I still dont think Weise is a permanent first liner. Patch does have the skill to make those around him better, no question. I think Weise is a good fill for the first line, since we do have that hole on RW, without weakening our other lines. He has pretty good IQ and usually finds himself in the right spot at the right time.

The games I do get to watch when I'm not at work, its rare to see Dale take a night off, I'll give him that, no question. But I still firmly believe he's a bottom 6 who can fill up top 6 if necessary. I'd still prefer a legit top 6 RW in his place.

 

[ottawa]

“I wasn’t nervous so much as excited for something to happen. Things were miserable in Vancouver, even if it was about going down on waivers, I had enough faith in myself that I knew I could succeed in a new situation

“I went into the dressing room, Tortorella was just standing there alone. He says, ‘There’s a trade in the works, I can’t tell you where to yet, there could be a few teams bidding right now.'"

“Then he just walked out of the room. Didn’t say goodbye, didn’t say good luck, nothing. That was it.â€

The next phone call came from Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin.

“(Bergevin) told me, ‘You know what, when I was (assistant general manger) in Chicago, we tried to get you,’†Weise said. “That’s huge, from going in Vancouver, where you’re at the bottom of the barrel, to being told you are wanted. It was validating.â€

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/h.../dale-weise-living-a-dream-with-the-canadiens

Heard about this article, thanks for posting it. Looking forward to a good read

 

[Yoshidas Island]

Heard about this article, thanks for posting it. Looking forward to a good read

I had chills reading that article, such a great story

 

[ottawa]

I had chills reading that article, such a great story

Makes me hate Tortorella even more, what kind of a coach is that unsopportive

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

Makes me hate Tortorella even more, what kind of a coach is that unsopportive

He had a personal issue against Weise specifically, tried to get him moved several times - going back to NYR.

 

[_vivelequebec_]

PIM with Vancouver (PO included) :

158 GP 170 PIM 8:30 ATOI

PIM with Montréal (PO included) :

86 GP 39 PIM 11:56 ATOI

lol

He also played 86 games with us (PO included) and scored 15 goals and made 19 assists, but most of all he's at +22! Can he be a 15g-15a player? It would be a steal to have such a good defensive forward since we traded him against Diaz.

So happy for him and he's a great asset for our team.

 

[Hackett]

I mentioned this much earlier in the thread, but it bears mentioning again. For a 4th liner, weise displays some good vision every once in a while.

That cheeky little pass to pleks coming off the bench is not something you see a player of Weiss's ilk pull off, let alone have the vision to attempt it.

It looked like he even caught datsyuk off guard with that play, who may be the smartest player in the league.

 

[Mr. Hab]

I mentioned this much earlier in the thread, but it bears mentioning again. For a 4th liner, Dale Weise displays some good vision every once in a while.

That cheeky little pass to pleks coming off the bench is not something you see a player of Weiss's ilk pull off, let alone have the vision to attempt it.

It looked like he even caught datsyuk off guard with that play, who may be the smartest player in the league.

Solid post.

Every single Hab fan should stop being surprised...Weise is a true warrior who is being abused/put down by way too many Hab fans. Seriously, he really deserves lots of praise...lots of it. Underrated shot/vision/passing and super fast (and also tall/big, gritty). And he's also a playoff warrior...huge/so important (bonus: he grew up a Hab fan and plays like he really wants CUP #25 for his/our Habs).

What's not to love about Weise??

Every Hab fan should give it up for Weise...he's the real thing (yes he is!) and I just wish Bergevin signed him to a 4-5 yr deal VS a measly 2 yr ($1mil/year) deal. Bergevin saw what a playoff warrior he was in '14 playoffs...I swear I would have given Weise a 4-5 yr deal (maybe an average of $1.5/yr at the time...now his value went UP).

What's nice about Plekanec...

...In the playoffs I'd go with something like this:

Pacioretty-Plekanec-NEW RW
Eller-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Sekac-DD-PAP
Weise-DLR-Prust

If we don't have a new RW,

Pacioretty-Plekanec-Gallagher
Eller-Galchenyuk-Sekac
Weise-DD-PAP

For me:
Pacioretty/Galchenyuk - Pleks - Weise/Gallagher
Pacioretty/Galchenyuk - Eller or DD - Weise/Gallagher
playoff warrior/Hudon/Sekac? - Eller or DD - Weise or new RW (playoff warrior)
Prust - DLR - playoff warrior/Sekac?


P-A Parenteau??:
really really not sure about him being a playoff warrior...if we keep him...obviously I want to be wrong.

Sekac?:
I don't dislike Sekac, but...not so sure if he can be a playoff warrior...I could be wrong.

Weise:
yes...I believe Weise can play well in the playoffs as a 1st or 2nd liner (3rd line for sure). Way too good for the 4th line...way too good. He's an amazing 3rd liner who can also play very very well and compliment anyone on the 1st and 2nd, as well. He gives us so many options...why complain about Weise??? He's the real thing...start cheering for him instead of complaining about him. Thanks!

 

[nilan30]

I mentioned this much earlier in the thread, but it bears mentioning again. For a 4th liner, weise displays some good vision every once in a while.

That cheeky little pass to pleks coming off the bench is not something you see a player of Weiss's ilk pull off, let alone have the vision to attempt it.

It looked like he even caught datsyuk off guard with that play, who may be the smartest player in the league.

It was such an unexpected pass that the play-by-play guy thought it was a turnover at first.

 

[Frankenheimer]

It was such an unexpected pass that the play-by-play guy thought it was a turnover at first.

I thought it was a turnover too on first viewing.