Confirmed with Link: [DAL/NYR] Zuccarello (30% retained) for 2019 2nd (Cond 1st*,) & 2020 3rd (Cond 1st**)

[Ghost of jas]

Why would any GM give away a 1st round pick to re-sign a 2nd line player who wants a big contract and will likely start declining quickly into that contract?

I think you mean "common sense".

Have you been paying attention at all to what @BBKers has been saying? From his sources, Dallas has wanted Zuccarello for a long time. Dallas isn't in a rebuilding mode. They have big players with big contracts they're beholden to. Some teams are more concerned with playoff revenue than 1st round picks. Why didn't Columbus trade Panarin? I know this is Hockey's Future, but, some franchises actually like to make money and don't see 1st round picks as the be-all end-all.

 

[darko]

If neither condition happens, this is an okay trade. Not great, not terrible. The 2nd round pick is the highest 2nd we would have gotten for him. Only a 1st would have been better, but no one was offering a 1st.

If one of the conditions happens, this is a great trade. If both happen, it's a fabulous trade. Personally, I like having the re-sign condition on the 2020 pick, because that seems more likely to happen than Dallas winning 2 rounds. Getting a 1st rounder in 2020 would be nice, especially if Dallas were to stumble next year and miss the playoffs. The 2nd round pick has lottery protection by virtue of the fact that we can't get the 1st unless they make the playoffs and win 2 rounds, but the 2020 3rd can potentially become a lottery pick with no protection. We're going to need some luck for sure, but I don't mind rolling the dice here. We'll get a better return on Hayes and, if we trade Kreider, an even better return, so I don't think it's a big deal that we didn't get more for Zucc. The market is what it is.

If nothing else, at least this gives us some more rooting interest in the playoffs

Finally a level headed post and not a knee-jerk reaction.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Have you been paying attentio at all to what @BBKers has been saying? From his sources, Dallas has wanted Zuccarello for a long time. Dallas isn't in a rebuilding mode. They have big players with big contracts they're beholden to. Some teams are more concerned with playoff revenue than 1st round picks. Why didn't Columbus trade Panarin? I know this is Hockey's Future, but, some franchises actually like to make money and don't see 1st round picks as the be-all end-all.

Well see.

We can re-visit this July, but the chances of them making anything even close to reasonable contract IMO are slim to none(unless like I said he has some sort of amazing chemistry with their players).

 

[kovazub94]

Staal hadn't played in the playoffs the prior 7 years before that trade, Zucc carries much more playoff creds.

Absolutely not! Current Staal has way more value for a playoff bound team than resurgent Zuke.

Size, position, pedigree and reputation all points out to the opposite on relative value.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Absolutely not! Current Staal has way more value for a playoff bound team than resurgent Zuke.

Size, position, pedigree and reputation all points out to the opposite on relative value.

Well he sure as hell didn't do shit for us and a lot of people expected he wouldnt with the season he had.

 

[kovazub94]

I’m not disappointed in the return, I’m disappointed that we didn’t try harder to sell Zucc last year when he had more value.

Can we all agree now that it would be stupid to wait until next year to sell Kreider?

It’s extremely likely that last year’s offers were not much different and a reason why Gorton didn’t pull the trigger then.

 

[SA16]

The take “if this was the best offer they should have just resigned him” is a really bad one. They don’t want him back. They want more assets whatever they are.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Well see.

We can re-visit this July, but the chances of them making anything even close to reasonable contract IMO are slim to none(unless like I said he has some sort of amazing chemistry with their players).

If he's looking for a payout, Dallas is a good a candidate as there is to provide him with one.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

The take “if this was the best offer they should have just resigned him” is a really bad one. They don’t want him back. They want more assets whatever they are.

Something is better than nothing, that's for sure.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If he's looking for a payout, Dallas is a good a candidate as there is to provide him with one.

If they have to overpay to get him to stay AND give up a 1st it just makes it sounds more and more likely they wouldn't.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Well he sure as hell didn't do **** for us and a lot of people expected he wouldnt with the season he had.

You can blame part of that on the dumbass head coach, who stumbled upon a winning line combination, only to never use it again.

 

[kovazub94]

Well he sure as hell didn't do **** for us and a lot of people expected he wouldnt with the season he had.

Your reference just supported what I’m trying to tell you. Staal has had a number of attributes (including perception) that playoff bound teams value more than Zuke’s.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Every source all season said they were looking for a Grabner type return, they got that as a guarantee with a chance to be way better x2. I feel like the negative reactions towards this trade are based in unreal expectations or sentimentality towards losing Zuccarello

 

[Ghost of jas]

If they have to overpay to get him to stay AND give up a 1st it just makes it sounds more and more likely they wouldn't.

It;s not overpaying. Dallas can offer the market value contract, and Zuccarello would get more monetary value from because of the tax situation. Dallas has advantages that only Nashville, Vegas and the Florida teams have. If Calgary was the other big suitor, Dallas easily has the upper hand.

 

[Heckler81]

What If the Rangers want to re-sign Zucc. Maybe they thought that Dallas would be a big competitor to offer the most amount of money in FA. By making this trade, maybe Dallas backs off so they don’t lose a 1st?

 

[kovazub94]

If they have to overpay to get him to stay AND give up a 1st it just makes it sounds more and more likely they wouldn't.

It’s all relative. Dallas could make him an offer that wouldn’t be considered an overpayment but it would simultaneously be the best for Zuke because of lower taxes. Dallas is in a win now mode because of the money they already invested and seeing first hand what Zuke brings to round up their top6 could make it enticing for Dallas to resign him. I mean it won’t take $6-$7m per to sign him.

As @RangerBoy noted a lot of it would also depend on whether Dallas GM stays.

 

[Ghost of jas]

It’s all relative. Dallas could make him an offer that wouldn’t be considered an overpayment but it would simultaneously be the best for Zuke because of lower taxes. Dallas is in a win now mode because of the money they already invested and seeing first hand what Zuke brings to round up their top6 could make it enticing for Dallas to resign him. I mean it won’t take $6-$7m per to sign him.

As @RangerBoy noted a lot of it would also depend on whether Dallas GM stays.

We on this board operate as if all that matters is how good your prospect pool is. There are bottom lines to meet, and expectations of winning. Pittsburgh's ownership probably doesn't care that their prospect isn't all that good. It's obvious the ownership in Columbus is more worried about playoff revenue. And while we joke about "get in and anything can happen", reaching the second round of the playoffs is a huge windfall of profit for quite a few franchises.

 

[romba]

I definitely wouldn’t offer a first for Zucc, wrong side of 30 and pending UFA and most GM’s will view his small frame as an indicator that wear and tear will catch up sooner rather than later. Just the way it is. Going to be tough for him to get a 5 year deal with good $ on the open market if that’s the length he’s looking for.

 

[Tawnos]

We on this board operate as if all that matters is how good your prospect pool is. There are bottom lines to meet, and expectations of winning. Pittsburgh's ownership probably doesn't care that their prospect isn't all that good. It's obvious the ownership in Columbus is more worried about playoff revenue. And while we joke about "get in and anything can happen", reaching the second round of the playoffs is a huge windfall of profit for quite a few franchises.

I don’t think a lot of people realize that each home playoff game is worth at least $1m in revenue.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Kinda crazy that we essentially got this trade broken by an Instagram follow

 

[Ghost of jas]

I don’t think a lot of people realize that each home playoff game is worth at least $1m in revenue.

Aaron Portzline was on NHLNetworkRadio on Sirius/XM, and he went into exactly that on why he didn't think the Blue Jackets would trade Panarin.

 

[Thirty One]

very late 2nd isn't not so late 1st. They could have afforded it too with what we paid them for MSL.

Remind me, what was the price paid for MSL?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kinda crazy that we essentially got this trade broken by an Instagram follow

BBKers had this all the way but yeah, thats the world we live in these days.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Anyway this rebuild looks more like a fail. We won't win lottery picks, our player development is weak, our drafting is uneven, we never tank and therefore will draft around 10th.

We had a solid core we should have kept it. Should have gotten a real coach that knows how to win in NHL. Paul MacLean or the now available Joel Quenneville. A great coach is everything, just look at the Islanders this season. They lost Tavares and signed a bunch of scrubs UFAs and they are now top team in the division. Rebuilds only work if you are really committed to tanking or great at developing young players.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Remind me, what was the price paid for MSL?

google it.