Confirmed with Link: [DAL/NYR] Zuccarello (30% retained) for 2019 2nd (Cond 1st*,) & 2020 3rd (Cond 1st**)

[darko]

We sure as hell didn't win it either.

2nd and a 2nd would have been fair.

Stars don't have a 2020 2nd.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Whatever, you win some, you lose some.

We won last year with Grabner and Nash, we lost with Zucc and E. Staal.

Hopefully Hayes can bring us back something more fair.

The Zuccarello trade is fair value. Stop saying it's a bad trade.

Hudler returned a 2nd+4th
Clowe returned a 2nd+3rd

We were not goin to magically get a great prospect and a guaranteed 1st

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Just for comparison ( i know different years different values but still)

Rangers gave up two 2nd round picks and a B level prospect for E. Staal. Staal who was having a terrible season and only scored 33 points in 63 games before the trade.

Zucc's been red hot over the last month and scored 37 points in 46 games and went for just a 2nd and 3rd.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

The Zuccarello trade is fair value. Stop saying it's a bad trade.

Hudler returned a 2nd+4th
Clowe returned a 2nd+3rd

We were not goin to magically get a great prospect and a guaranteed 1st

Relax dude. I didnt say we should get great prospect and 1st.

And lol at you thinking Clowe and Zucc were anywhere NEAR the same level of players at the trade.

 

[darko]

I’m okay with getting Dallas’ 2nd this year. If they go on a magical run, great, otherwise, it’s almost to the Rangers’ benefit that they miss the playoffs this year. Figure with the 1st they’re likely to get in the Hayes’ deal, and the potential that TB wins the Cup, they could end up with 5 of the top 45 players in the upcoming draft.

I also think people are really downplaying the possibility of Zuccarello re-signing in Dallas. I know this is Hockey’s Future, but, as @RangerBoy has stated, ownership in Dallas isn’t about draft picks. They have big money in Benn, Seguin, Radulov and Bishop. That’s not the sign of team looking to rebuild. We downplay the aspect of playoff revenue, but most owners don’t. Texas is a prime state for players looking to maximize their income, just as Florida, Tennessee and Nevada are. If Zuccarello is looking for his last big payout before returning home, Dallas is as good a candidate for that as any other team.

Absolutely a good candidate. If Zucc produces then Dallas will want him back.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Stars don't have a 2020 2nd.

Stop making sense

 

[darko]

Whatever, you win some, you lose some.

We won last year with Grabner and Nash, we lost with Zucc and E. Staal.

Hopefully Hayes can bring us back something more fair.

How did we lose with Zucc? Let's see who we draft first before making those calls.

 

[NYR Viper]

Again the expectations some came up with on their own were unreasonable to start with and when they weren’t met, people got upset.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Again the expectations some came up with on their own were unreasonable to start with and when they weren’t met, people got upset.

A 2nd and 2nd, or 2nd and B prospect is what I was expecting.

Like i said you win some, you lose some. This and the Staal trades are the losses. Thankfully this wasn't anywhere near as bad as the Staal trade. Some people just have a love fest toward Gorton though and he can't do any wrong.

 

[haohmaru]

How did we lose with Zucc? Let's see who we draft first before making those calls.

The likelihood of a 2nd or 3rd playing 500+ games and bringing what Zuccarello did to the table are pretty remote. Calling it a "loss" at this point is pretty realistic.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Again the expectations some came up with on their own were unreasonable to start with and when they weren’t met, people got upset.

This is the same as asking if a supermodel wants to go on a date with you and then be upset when she says no because "you really thought she was into you" despite nothing pointing at that

 

[Mac n Gs]

I'm lukewarm on the return, and I'm really hoping that Gorton has a deeper understanding of the behind-the-scenes pressure that Gaglardi is putting on Nill to ice a winning hockey team. If that results in Zucc getting re-signed and us getting an unprotected first, I'll be much, much happier about this trade.

I guess I'm still going back and forth between the set value vs. the total risk factor with how much potential value we're getting from the Zucc trade. Him being a fan favorite always adds an extra emotional dimension, but rebuilds are never easy.

Just don't draft another f***ing goalie in the second round.

 

[SML2]

I'm hoping this ups the pressure on the other teams in the West to improve. And who, pray tell, will they call when they look for these players???
Jeff Gorton.
He may have just thrown a match into the powder keg that is the western conference that blows up into a full on trade war on multiple players.
Well done sir.

 

[Crease]

The likelihood of a 2nd or 3rd playing 500+ games and bringing what Zuccarello did to the table are pretty remote. Calling it a "loss" at this point is pretty realistic.

The Rangers already decided they weren't going to re-sign him. The likelihood of a 2nd or 3rd playing 20 games and bringing what Zuccarello will to the table for the remainder of this lost season are pretty reasonable.

 

[darko]

The likelihood of a 2nd or 3rd playing 500+ games and bringing what Zuccarello did to the table are pretty remote. Calling it a "loss" at this point is pretty realistic.

And Zucc walking for nothing at the end of the season was pretty realistic too.

 

[darko]

The Rangers already decided they weren't going to re-sign him. The likelihood of a 2nd or 3rd playing 20 games and bringing what Zuccarello will to the table for the remainder of this lost season are pretty reasonable.

Yup.

 

[RangerBoy]

There are no conditions on the conditions.

If Zuccarello re-signs in Dallas, there are no conditions to the 2020 1st rounder. The Stars can miss the playoffs and the Rangers still get the pick.

Zuccarello goes to Dallas and plays his ass off. The Stars go from a bubble playoff team to a solid playoff team. They win or lose in the first round to Winnipeg or San Jose or Calgary. Tough 7 game series. The Rangers get a 2nd.

All of the fans love Zuccarello. The team takes off with him there. The Stars sign Zuccarello. The Rangers get a 1st round pick in 2020. No conditions. The Rangers should consider retiring #36 in the rafters in that scenario.

 

[darko]

This is the same as asking if a supermodel wants to go on a date with you and then be upset when she says no because "you really thought she was into you" despite nothing pointing at that

Pretty much lol.

 

[LORDE]

Neither Shattenkirk nor Skjei are '3rd pairing D-Men.' They are both far better than Girardi. And in the case of Skjei, significantly younger.

To be fair, I didn't love either one of those moves. But they are hardly terrible moves and buying out Girardi was a good move.

He’s talking about Smith

 

[dstoffa]

The Rangers already decided they weren't going to re-sign him. The likelihood of a 2nd or 3rd playing 20 games and bringing what Zuccarello will to the table for the remainder of this lost season are pretty reasonable.

Agreed.

 

[darko]

In a perfect world Stars make WCF, Tampa wins the Cup, Stars bring back Zucc but it all goes awfully wrong and they finish bottom-5 next year.

 

[gorangers0525]

This one hurts .

 

[Crease]

There are no conditions on the conditions.

I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in
Yeah, yeah, oh-yeah, what condition my condition was in

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'm lukewarm on the return, and I'm really hoping that Gorton has a deeper understanding of the behind-the-scenes pressure that Gaglardi is putting on Nill to ice a winning hockey team. If that results in Zucc getting re-signed and us getting an unprotected first, I'll be much, much happier about this trade.

I guess I'm still going back and forth between the set value vs. the total risk factor with how much potential value we're getting from the Zucc trade. Him being a fan favorite always adds an extra emotional dimension, but rebuilds are never easy.

Just don't draft another ****ing goalie in the second round.

This is only aspect of this that disturbs me. Is the return great? No, but, you know have too more assets in the fold. I've been saying all along I expected an upgrade on the Grabner return, and in a way, it is. How much more of an upgrade remains to be seen.

Part of the problem for some people is that there's a belief the Rangers haven't moved on from Zuccarello. I believe they have, so, I'd rather not lose him for nothing. There was no benefit to Zuccarello remaining here until the end of the season. They need to see what Buchnevich and Vesey really have to offer, and they need Chytil and Andersson to get more ice time.

I'll admit I don't have the emotional attachment to Zuccarello that a lot of the fanbase does. Seeing Stepan and McDonagh go bothered me a hell of a lot more. But, I get the emotion. But, this is not a disaster of a deal as the "hair-on-fire" crowd wants to deem it.

 

[WilsonNY14]

So I know some of us are disappointed at what we received in the trade, but I don't think we should be if you getget creat with the thinking here. Let's say that we only have a second and a third from this trade, fine. Well, we could use the second and third round picks in the 2019 and 2020 drafts respectively, to move up in the first round of each draft. Take the K'andre Miller pick. We traded up with later picks and this already seems like a great move. Time will tell if the trade paid off, but patience in seeing how this plays out is key.