Confirmed with Link: [DAL/NYR] Zuccarello (30% retained) for 2019 2nd (Cond 1st*,) & 2020 3rd (Cond 1st**)

[Chimpradamus]

What a disappointing return. It's a seller's market and all that, the draft is weak, but still. That's a disappointment. So many conditions attached to the picks which both NYR and Zuccarello have little to no control over.

Not you can complain too much. The McD + Miller trade to Tampa for next to nothing, now that was complete garbage. NYR getting used to getting fleeced in trades.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

That's a fine package for a rental winger.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

How do you know that he didn't do that with this deal? You, like all of us, have absolutely no idea what the initial offer was from Dallas or what other teams were offering. Maybe the other teams weren't offering even conditional firsts. Maybe Dallas wasn't from the start and he got that added.

You are literally making things up to try to prove your opinion that JG is a bad GM.

'We did not get close to what he is worth?' -- Why are you saying this? Literally every expert and analyst under the sun said he was worth '2nd + prospect.' And mind you, not a good prospect, just average prospect. So in your opinion the Rangers didn't get fair value for him. But your opinion is also severely biased due to your attachment to Zucc.

The Rangers got the widely perceived value for Zucc + added conditions that could make the ultimate deal much better than what was expected.

I think you are the one making things up about me. I was actually impressed with most of Gorton's trades, but this one sucks. I don't like when our GM is passive and waiting for offers to blow him away. He needs to work harder and make proposals himself and hype up his players so that other GMs are salivating.

Literally every expert? You literally don't know what "literally" means. You will never understand that Gorton really messed up with this trade.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I think you are the one making things up about me. I was actually impressed with most of Gorton's trades, but this one sucks. I don't like when our GM is passive and waiting for offers to blow him away. He needs to work harder and make proposals himself and hype up his players so that other GMs are salivating.

Literally every expert? You literally don't know what "literally" means. You will never understand that Gorton really messed up with this trade.

Ok, can you please show me one expert/analyst who propose that Zucc was worth more than what he returned? Because from everything I read, they were all in clear unison that Zucc was going to return a 2nd+prospect.

And NHL GM's are not used car salesman. I mean, it's hilarious to think that JG can 'hype up his players.' The players are performing on the ice multiple times a week. It's not like a guy who walks into a car shop and you start laying out the details for him. It doesn't matter if JG is the slickest salesman on the planet he can't just magically hype up Zucc's value. It's no secret.

Gorton didn't mess up with this trade. I think it's kind of sad that you think there was some fantasy haul to be had, when in reality, this was Zucc's value all along. It's pretty much in line with past years. 2nd line wingers who are rentals just don't garner enormous packages. Nash had a significantly higher pedigree than Zucc, if that's what you were hoping for. Deserved or not, GM's actually care about pedigree and I think a lot of them hope a player on the downswing can return back to his old self for a playoff run.

 

[SnowFort]

2nd and 3rd for a rental winger with better wingers on the market. Fair for the 25 or so games.

Potential 1st with an extension. Fair. I really don’t get the pessimism and glass-half-empty people here but go off, I guess.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

2nd and 3rd for a rental winger with better wingers on the market. Fair for the 25 or so games.

Potential 1st with an extension. Fair. I really don’t get the pessimism and glass-half-empty people here but go off, I guess.

It just has to do with emotional attachment to players, I think. I mean, unless the trade is a clear-cut home-run, many fans are generally disappointed.

 

[SnowFort]

It just has to do with emotional attachment to players, I think. I mean, unless the trade is a clear-cut home-run, many fans are generally disappointed.

Yeah, it’s probably to be expected. Especially when it comes to Zuccarello. I think it’s misguided to think that every trade should be a “home run” or steal. I don’t think it works that way, sometimes luck just happen to fall in one team’s court in hindsight. I think this zuccarello trade is fair for both sides, with a potential for better with a little bit of luck.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Yeah, it’s probably to be expected. Especially when it comes to Zuccarello. I think it’s misguided to think that every trade should be a “home run” or steal. I don’t think it works that way, sometimes luck just happen to fall in one team’s court in hindsight. I think this zuccarello trade is fair for both sides, with a potential for better with a little bit of luck.

It's kinda like the Leetch trade. Moving Leetch was the right thing to do (although they handled that situation as an org poorly). And had Sauer not had his concussion issues and carved out a career similar to Girardi, which he was well on the way to doing, it would probably be viewed much more positively.

Regardless, when you're selling UFA's at the deadline, you take what you can get. There is little ability to heighten your players value.

It would be one thing if we traded Kreider for this package, because realistically we can just hold onto him without any fear. But with Zucc, that's different. He's older, less critical to this organization and will likely be asking for a pretty decent payday. There was only one logical option for this club at this point in time. And no matter how much it hurts, they did the right thing and got pretty fair value for a 2nd line wing rental.

 

[RangerBoy]

Great take RangerBoy, should be stickied!

No need to trash Gorton on this one. If there was a 1st to be had, he would have had it. No option to wait.

I don’t like Dallas chances, too many vets up front. But who knows, Zucc should be a good add.

Good that the resigning condition refers to the 2020 first. That pick could have potential, veteran forward group, issues with management etc. They do OK and resign Zucc, next year they get some injuries and fall through. Zucc=for a lottery pick?

Teams weren't lining up offering a 1st round pick for Zuccarello. That's the reality of the situation. The Rangers were lucky Zuccarello woke up & stopped feeling sorry for his situation 6 weeks ago because they were going to get a 3rd for Zuccarello.

 

[RangerBoy]

What a stupid trade. It only makes sense if the plan was to improve this years draft position.

I hope @RangerBoy is finally happy

The Rangers should have traded him last February.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

The Rangers should have traded him last February.

This is the only criticism I have of JG. But I still have no clue what the packages were like last year or this summer.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

The Rangers should have traded him last February.

Also....makes a far more compelling case for moving Kreider today or tomorrow.

 

[Savant]

Slept on it. Still hate it. Both conditions aren't attainable realistically. Its fools gold.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I'd say there's about a 15% chance we get a 1st out of this deal, ~10% Stars get to WCF and ~5% Zuke re-signs, which makes this trade fine.

 

[Ori]

The Rangers should have traded him last February.

Yes I agree - the whole process took too long.

 

[ETTER DE]

why?

Because he is terrible.

 

[ETTER DE]

This is the only criticism I have of JG. But I still have no clue what the packages were like last year or this summer.

Is this the only criticism you have of Gorton? What about buying out Girardi and then signing two UFA 3rd pairing defencemen to 11 million?

 

[klingsor]

So if it comes down to Zuccarello signing with the Stars or Rangers, I'm gonna feel pretty shitty about wanting him to sign with Dallas.

 

[Ghost of jas]

So if it comes down to Zuccarello signing with the Stars or Rangers, I'm gonna feel pretty ****ty about wanting him to sign with Dallas.

I don’t think a Zuccarello return to the Rangers is happening.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Is this the only criticism you have of Gorton? What about buying out Girardi and then signing two UFA 3rd pairing defencemen to 11 million?

Neither Shattenkirk nor Skjei are '3rd pairing D-Men.' They are both far better than Girardi. And in the case of Skjei, significantly younger.

To be fair, I didn't love either one of those moves. But they are hardly terrible moves and buying out Girardi was a good move.

 

[klingsor]

I don’t think a Zuccarello return to the Rangers is happening.

I think you're correct.

Probably sign with a good team.

 

[Loff]

You couldn't even get a straight first rounder for him Gorts? What the f***.

you blew it

 

[Fireonk]

It's funny how much difference a small change in the return makes. If that 3rd was a 2nd with the condition still attached I think people would generally be pretty happy with this trade. Myself, I am a tad underwhelmed, but if thats the best offer so be it. People who think Gorton had any leverage on a rental UFA are crazy, everyone knows they will take the best offer out there and no one except people on these boards were buying that we were negotiating a new contract in earnest.

I am guessing there were some offers out there that had a bit better guaranteed value, but the same people going overboard about this trade are the same ones who go overboard that we can't ever get elite talent. This was his way of giving the Rangers the best chance of finding those highly sought after elite pieces, even though he likely ends up with a slightly worse return.

We have enough depth and picks in our system at the moment that getting 2 2nds instead of the 2nd and a 3rd doesn't swing the direction of our future, but getting another 1st just might...

 

[SML2]

I figured I would let the Dallas fans know that those aren't Boo's...

 

[Ail]

Underwhelmed and disappointed. It’s not a bad return per se but definitely less than I had expected considering how well he played recently and how many potential buyers were on the market. The conditions are pretty unrealistic, but if even one is met it becomes a very good return. I’m just not optimistic about them I guess.

Oh well, still two assets we did not have yesterday for an expiring contract. Bye Zuccy, luv you.

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