Confirmed with Link: [DAL/NYR] Zuccarello (30% retained) for 2019 2nd (Cond 1st*,) & 2020 3rd (Cond 1st**)

[MadHookUp]

I always find it funny when people are capable of making decisions without evidence, which many posters here seem to fall victim to. I've seen people say that his value would be higher if we traded him earlier in the season. When he was playing his worst hockey? Right. Then others say we should have waited longer and risk the 2-3 teams trading for someone else and no longer needing them. There clearly wasn't a high demand for him. You can be patient when you have lots of teams wanting him. But is appears to be just Calgary and Dallas.

If we look at evidence that we actually have. Countless analysts have been stating for weeks that Zuccarello is worth a 2nd+. And that is exactly what we got. I know some people here believe that Gorton should have used Jedi Mind Tricks or sheer patience and eventually a team would cough up a 1st. But evidence says the complete opposite.

"But but... Nash got all of this!" Well the Rangers fan base saw Nash as an overrated player who disappears in the playoffs. Nash is highly regarded in the league. If anything its more that Gorton did a great job with this trade, and less did a bad trade with Zucc.

"But but... Look what Staal was traded for!?!?" - A Cup winning captain that plays center? Cant compare.
"Smith even got two 2nds!" He plays defense, and can play both sides. Doesnt compare.

I will be honest. I am underwhelmed with the return. I really thought he was worth more than he was eventually worth. I couldn't wrap my head around pretty much everyone stating he is worth a 2nd+. But all evidence points to that fact, and its hard to blame Gorton. At least he was able to put a slight chance at making this trade a home run. I dont see either realistically happening, but its better than nothing. And I would have taken this over letting him leave has a FA or signing him to a 5 year contract. And Zuccarello is my favorite player.

 

[Unusual Suspect]

I'm going to keep chewing on this a bit... but with the mindset that it's a 2nd and a 3rd. There is NO realistic projection that Dallas can under any circumstances advance to conference finals. There ARE some compelling arguments for why Dallas would have wanted to sign Zuccarello ordinarily... but I think that ultimately they are not likely to love him enough to both a) end up as the suitor that offers him most and b) give up a middle 1st round pick as well.

What I DO feel definite about is being extremely chagrined that I took the day off to watch TradeCentre now. The value of that being cut in half is a real molar grinder.

 

[kovazub94]

The Rangers traded Zuccarello to a team which would give them the highest 2nd round pick. The expected return was a 2nd round pick & a prospect which wasn't going to be a great prospect. The other teams will have lower 2nd's in the draft. Calgary,Nashville,etc.

If Dallas doesn't make the WCF this season or the playoffs, the Rangers can use that 2nd to move up. They did it last year with the Jersey pick for Miller.

Zuccarello signing in Dallas is up to Zuccarello. The Stars have needed secondary scoring for at least a couple of years. He will play with some really high end players. Produce. Help the Stars make the playoffs and go from there. Texas is a no state income tax state.

There are so many players available this year. Not that many last year.

Agree with everything! All these considerations is why Gorton pulled the trigger here.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in
Yeah, yeah, oh-yeah, what condition my condition was in

Thanks for putting that in my head

 

[SML2]

We traded for Eric Staal and the price was 2 seconds.
Can any of you tell me that honestly think Zucc was a better player than Staal even though I hate Staal and the trade was a disaster?

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Really underwhelming imo. Conditions won't be met at all.

If Zucc resigns in July (with us or Stars), we can call this a fleecing of the Stars.

So until July 1st this trade stinks.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Think we need to realize that once in the playoffs, anything can happen.

 

[Miamipuck]

At this point, you’re looking for reasons to hate this deal.

He hates/whines about almost every single trade the Rangers make..... Go look, the Stepan trade, the McD trade, probably whined about Nash and Grabner , and now this one. Gorton should put a condition on the Hayes trade, if this guy whines about the trade, the picks automatically become first rounders..... Then sit back and profit.

 

[Waivers]

Conditional picks is a thing for Gorton now. CGY and Hayes for a 1st round pick, Kylington, and a conditional second round pick in 2020 if he re-signs.

Maybe that conditional can be a 1st in 2020. The Flames have their core signed for quite a bit and with the emergence of Hayes and a new contract, it would make them a threat for years to come.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If your someone that believes Carp, this is what he had to say on the trade breakdown in the Athletic

RICK CARPINIELLO: Since the beginning of the season, the Rangers believed they might get the same or similar package for Mats Zuccarello that they got last season for Michael Grabner – a second-round pick and a prospect. But GM Jeff Gorton was able to do some waggling to make it a potential home run with the conditional picks. It’s a lot of ifs, but the deal could turn into a grand slam if both conditions happen. And at the present time, the second-rounder is the highest (in the draft) that was offered.

Sounds like speculation but wouldn’t be surprised

 

[UnSandvich]

Not sure if it's been posted yet, but Dallas' Bottom 9 is atrocious, like absolutely terribad. 2nd worst GF/60 in the NHL, only to Edmonton. Zuccarello could absolutely be the catalyst to get them started, and quite frankly, given the contracts Dallas is shedding after this season, I don't think Zucc resigning there is a huge stretch

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If your someone that believes Carp, this is what he had to say on the trade breakdown in the Athletic



Sounds like speculation but wouldn’t be surprised

A rental soon-to-be 32 year old winger who has a career high of 61 points doesn't hold much value at the deadline.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Which one of you that loathes this trade is Susan Sarandon? Fess up.

 

[leetch99]

Rangers should offer to pay half his salary if he resigns in Dallas next season LOL....

 

[The Crypto Guy]

We traded for Eric Staal and the price was 2 seconds.
Can any of you tell me that honestly think Zucc was a better player than Staal even though I hate Staal and the trade was a disaster?

It was 2 2nds and a B prospect who was actually having a very good season when we traded him.

Staal put up 33 points in 67 games with the Canes when the trade was made, and was playing terrible hockey that year that continued right into our team after the trade. Zucc put up 37 points in 46 games this season including 22 points in the last 16 games...so yea, not sure how you are getting Staal was the better player than Staal at the time of their respectives trades.

 

[dangsLITE]

I wish it was make it to the second round not win two rounds. Even that isn't very likely though

 

[Ghost of jas]

As usual, New York fans have a chauvinistic approach about why Zuccarello won't sign in Dallas. Color me shocked.

 

[ETTER DE]

Neither Shattenkirk nor Skjei are '3rd pairing D-Men.' They are both far better than Girardi. And in the case of Skjei, significantly younger.

To be fair, I didn't love either one of those moves. But they are hardly terrible moves and buying out Girardi was a good move.

They were both 3rd pairing guys on their previous teams. Girardi played better than both last year. I dont think you can argue that.

 

[SML2]

It was 2 2nds and a B prospect who was actually having a very good season when we traded him.

Staal put up 33 points in 67 games with the Canes when the trade was made, and was playing terrible hockey that year that continued right into our team after the trade. Zucc put up 37 points in 46 games this season including 22 points in the last 16 games...so yea, not sure how you are getting Staal was the better player than Staal at the time of their respectives trades.

You're right I forgot about the prospect. His perceived value as a 6'4" center with playoff credentials is probably greater though, no?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

As usual, New York fans have a chauvinistic approach about why Zuccarello won't sign in Dallas. Color me shocked.

Why would any GM give away a 1st round pick to re-sign a 2nd line player who wants a big contract and will likely start declining quickly into that contract?

I think you mean "common sense".

 

[Sarge13]

Same picks that got Brendan Smith, something doesn't seem right about that....

And I understand making the trade with the team offering the highest potential 2nd rounder, but then again this is a team that calls its own shots in the second round, just look at last year, it wouldn't have mattered if we had a high second or low second we were taking Olaf "the bomb" anyway

 

[The Crypto Guy]

You're right I forgot about the prospect. His perceived value as a 6'4" center with playoff credentials is probably greater though, no?

Staal hadn't played in the playoffs the prior 7 years before that trade, Zucc carries much more playoff creds.

 

[Don Chytil]

I’m not disappointed in the return, I’m disappointed that we didn’t try harder to sell Zucc last year when he had more value.

Can we all agree now that it would be stupid to wait until next year to sell Kreider?

 

[GAGLine]

If neither condition happens, this is an okay trade. Not great, not terrible. The 2nd round pick is the highest 2nd we would have gotten for him. Only a 1st would have been better, but no one was offering a 1st.

If one of the conditions happens, this is a great trade. If both happen, it's a fabulous trade. Personally, I like having the re-sign condition on the 2020 pick, because that seems more likely to happen than Dallas winning 2 rounds. Getting a 1st rounder in 2020 would be nice, especially if Dallas were to stumble next year and miss the playoffs. The 2nd round pick has lottery protection by virtue of the fact that we can't get the 1st unless they make the playoffs and win 2 rounds, but the 2020 3rd can potentially become a lottery pick with no protection. We're going to need some luck for sure, but I don't mind rolling the dice here. We'll get a better return on Hayes and, if we trade Kreider, an even better return, so I don't think it's a big deal that we didn't get more for Zucc. The market is what it is.

If nothing else, at least this gives us some more rooting interest in the playoffs

 

[SML2]

Staal hadn't played in the playoffs the prior 7 years before that trade, Zucc carries much more playoff creds.

Staal's cup ring probably makes it even at best.