Confirmed with Link: [DAL/NYR] Zuccarello (30% retained) for 2019 2nd (Cond 1st*,) & 2020 3rd (Cond 1st**)

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Playmaking RD are far more valuable than 2nd line wingers. The same goes for centers and big skilled wingers. 2nd line wingers, especially this year, are just not that valuable and rarely return firsts.

Is there any example of a winger similar to Zucc that brought back a first?

Zuccarello isn't a 2nd line winger, so I don't see your argument there.

Well, this guy isn't comparable necessarily to Zucc, but the Rangers just last year brought back a 1st for Nash. And now he's retired. If we're just going off the parameters of them returning a 1st and being a rental.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

It is a little fishy that Zuc isn't valued more highly around the league. Is it size or Euro bias? He's been a better player than Nash and Grabner were the last several years.

I'm sure better offers were there. Gorton just grossly overrated these conditional 1sts that will never happen.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Zuccarello isn't a 2nd line winger, so I don't see your argument there.

Well, this guy isn't comparable necessarily to Zucc, but the Rangers just last year brought back a 1st for Nash. And now he's retired. If we're just going off the parameters of them returning a 1st and being a rental.

No, Nash is not a comparable whatsoever. And it's clear why. Over his career, Zucc is basically a tweener 1st/2nd line winger. The past 2 months don't change that.

 

[Joey Bones]

I just don’t really see a scenario in which a rebuilding team doesn’t at least try to get something for players on expiring contracts, especially when a player will be 32 years old next season.

The funny thing is that’s exactly the type of scenario this board complained about for years.

I get that. With the rebuild, the Rangers need to get something out of a potential UFA. Losing Zucc for nothing would've been even worse for the organization. Same goes for Hayes, McQuaid and others....

But the fact that he's been a consistent 50 point playmaker for the Rangers and got that kind of return is ridiculous, even if he's a rental. The way he sees the ice and is responsible in all three zones definitely deserves a guaranteed 1st rounder. No question. I'm not even talking about the fan-favorite aspect with the Rangers, but the way he plays (offensively gifted vision, grit with antagonizing traits, PK/PP strengths, consistent 50 point production in 5 seasons, etc.) he's a wizard with the puck. There is literally NO ONE in the organization that has that kind of ability, ATM. Kravtsov could become something like that, but that isn't a sure thing until he starts playing with NYR. To make matters worse, they even retained salary on him (even though that doesn't matter in the slightest long term). It's almost like Gorton did Dallas a favor.

I knew Zucc was getting moved, but this was a massive slap in the fanbases face and the organization should be ashamed with that kind of return.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I'm sure better offers were there. Gorton just grossly overrated these conditional 1sts that will never happen.

Sounds like a bad conspiracy theory.

 

[Joey Bones]

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

No, Nash is not a comparable whatsoever. And it's clear why. Over his career, Zucc is basically a tweener 1st/2nd line winger. The past 2 months don't change that.

If you're implying pedigree is why, then why doesn't Zuccarello have pedigree? He was the leading point scorer(or one of) consistently on a team who was a perennial contender.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Sounds like a bad conspiracy theory.

Well the entire board is speculating on stuff we have no information on..nobody knows what was offered, nobody knows what teams were serious, nobody knows anything so it's free game to speculate.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Zucc has been red hot and that is the return???

What a ****ing joke.

I have no faith in Gorton

So you think he just, passed up on better offers...?

Or is it possible this was the best offer?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It is a little fishy that Zuc isn't valued more highly around the league. Is it size or Euro bias? He's been a better player than Nash and Grabner were the last several years.

Pedigree matters. Nash shouldn't have returned more than Evander Kane did last year, but he did.

Grabner was also on pace to score 30+ when he was traded last year after putting up 27 the year before. Goal scoring is at a premium.

Zucc may yield 2 1sts at the end of the day. I get that it's a remote shot but there still a decent chance we walk out of this deal with 1.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

What makes you think he's not valued more highly than Grabner? He returned more than Grabner. Grabner is also a goal scorer, which I think is more attractive to teams.

Nash was one of the best goal scorers in the league for a decade. Pedigree plays a role, whether that's fair or not is a different story.

Nash's last few seasons he was basically Bates Battaglia or Mike LeClerc. 20G-20A guy

Grabner it's interesting, I thought Rykov was a higher pick. If he becomes a steady NHL DMan, it's a tough loss for NJ.

 

[duhmetreE]

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If you're implying pedigree is why, then why doesn't Zuccarello have pedigree? He was the leading point scorer(or one of) consistently on a team who was a perennial contender.

Leading a team without real star power in points doesn't change the fact that Zuccarello never hit 65 points

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Leading a team without real star power in points doesn't change the fact that Zuccarello never hit 65 points

Is 65 points the mark that gets you a first round pick, or something? Not to mention, look at his points pace this season. I know I'm the one who brought up the leading scorer point, but there's more value to players than just scoring, offensively. Zuccarello drives puck possession well, and has in a lot of his tenure in NY. Just as a short example.

I'm just going to assume that Zucc's market was dry for whatever reason and leave it at that. I don't particularly like the trade, and probably won't unless Dallas really makes it worth our while. I find it hard to see how they'll meet the conditions. Their roster's performance hasn't been overly impressive this season.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

MSL trade was a terrible step backwards and a really bad overpayment. All we needed to do was trade Callahan for a 1st rounder. We also got ourselves in trouble by giving big contracts to our aging Dmen instead of trading them away.

I agree. I really did not like the MSL trade. We got bent over something fierce

 

[Blue Blooded]

Zucc currently has an 82 game pace of 66 points.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

What I want to know is why we didn't get Dallas's 2020 7th round pick as well. What's up with that, Gorts?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

What I want to know is why we didn't get Dallas's 2020 7th round pick as well. What's up with that, Gorts?

Agreed. Should be fired.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Is 65 points the mark that gets you a first round pick, or something? Not to mention, look at his points pace this season. I know I'm the one who brought up the leading scorer point, but there's more value to players than just scoring, offensively. Zuccarello drives puck possession well, and has in a lot of his tenure in NY. Just as a short example.

I'm just going to assume that Zucc's market was dry for whatever reason and leave it at that. I don't particularly like the trade, and probably won't unless Dallas really makes it worth our while. I find it hard to see how they'll meet the conditions. Their roster's performance hasn't been overly impressive this season.

The market wasn't dry. The market was there, but not for the insane returns fans were expecting.

The underwhelming feeling most fans have today is the result of their own unrealistic expectations.

 

[NYRFAN218]

What every Rangers fan should know about Zuccarello

I certainly do not get the impression Zucc will be coming back in the summer after reading that. I think he was really slighted by what happened over the summer as well as the constant circulating rumors.

 

[brians1128]

What every Rangers fan should know about Zuccarello

I certainly do not get the impression Zucc will be coming back in the summer after reading that. I think he was really slighted by what happened over the summer as well as the constant circulating rumors.

Thats fine, Im hoping he stays in Dallas anyway.

 

[JT Kreider]

Absolutely a good candidate. If Zucc produces then Dallas will want him back.

He is going to have to go mega PPG+ for them to want him back. Remember, they didn't view him as being worth giving up a 2019 1st round pick, so he's going to have to move mountains for him to be worth their 2020 first round pick. I personally don't see that happening. There is also a possibility that Nill is fired and the new GM will have nothing tying him to Zuccarello and will definitely want to take over with his first round pick in play.

The condition is basically irrelevant and I fear we are just being manipulated here into thinking the return might be something more than it is. I'm not going to fall for it. I thought the Rangers were better than that. Gorton has sunk as low as Dorion here.

A condition on a team making a certain playoff round is OK as the playoffs are a giant crapshoot. But I expect that Gorton has a pretty good idea how Dallas really feels about Zuccarello and how that whole thing is going to play out. Or at least he should.

 

[Off Sides]

Pedigree matters. Nash shouldn't have returned more than Evander Kane did last year, but he did.

Grabner was also on pace to score 30+ when he was traded last year after putting up 27 the year before. Goal scoring is at a premium.

Zucc may yield 2 1sts at the end of the day. I get that it's a remote shot but there still a decent chance we walk out of this deal with 1.

He could yield anything between a 2nd and 3rd and two 1sts too,

Hypothetically,

Dallas does not meet the first condition, Rangers get their 2019 2nd

Dallas wants to extend Zucc but does not to give up 2020 1st

We don't think that Dallas is calling the Rangers to ask how to turn that 2020 1st into something else that is worth more than the 3rd they'd owe by not extending him?

Being in the conversations for Gorton at the 2019 draft is going to be important, having some conditional and already known stuff from Dallas is going to lend to both teams talking more.

 

[RangerLifer]

What every Rangers fan should know about Zuccarello

I certainly do not get the impression Zucc will be coming back in the summer after reading that. I think he was really slighted by what happened over the summer as well as the constant circulating rumors.

Do you have the English version of that?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Zuc will sign in Dallas, we will get our first...relax everyone. If somehow the second condition is made we will have walked away with the best deal since McDonagh.