Player Discussion Dakota Joshua | Shut up and give him his money!
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Unicorns, sure. But one was signed as a UFA for a sub-$1m AAV, the other acquired for a mid round pick. So maybe they can be replaced on the open market?
I'd certainly prefer to keep DJ, but not at any cost. Term concerns me a bit simply because he didn't come to camp in shape this year, despite everyone else doing so and it being his contract year.
I definitely don't want to give him a blank cheque. I'm happy the FO is doing their due diligence and (seemingly) are married to value that makes sense moreso than the specific player.
With that said, I also don't want this to be Allvin's Ehroff error. In my mind, the second biggest mistake of the Gillis era (behind only keeping Ballard way too long) was having what turned out to be an unrealistic internal cap that cost the team Ehrhoff. It's good to negotiate, but also can't expect an unrealistic deal (low 2s) just because we gave him an opportunity. Also can't just assume they can strike oil again just because they did once.
It's a balancing act, and there's absolutely a number Allvin needs to walk away from. I get expecting a hair cut to help create a competitive roster. But demanding a player shaves his head, legs, and eyebrows to prove he wants to be here can end up having negative repercussions going forward.
30 “without” minutes for each player is about the ice time Akito Hirose had with the Canucks this season. Dylan McIlrath somehow put up 64% expected goals in 30 minutes. It’s not enough minutes to separate signal from noise.
AzNightmare
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Was Ehrhoff still good after he left Vancouver? Just on paper, looks like his career high were his 2 seasons as a Canuck.
But speaking of him, I just took a look on hockeydb. Looks like he retired from pro in 2018, but then he suddenly came back and played 50 games this year in DEL-2. lol, don't think I've see a hiatus like that before. He put up decent numbers too.
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Love to see 3yr 2.9M or somewhere around there. I think Joshua is getting better he's taken leaps in development with proper structure and coaching.
If free agency is offering 3.5 and that's enough for Joshua to walk, then so be it. He is a unique skill set but certainly not worth breaking the bank for when we need bargain deals.
If free agency is offering 3.5 and that's enough for Joshua to walk, then so be it. He is a unique skill set but certainly not worth breaking the bank for when we need bargain deals.
IIRC, Ehrhoff was excellent in his first two years in Buffalo and was still effective in his last year there on a bad team. Best Dman on a bad team. Concussions ended his career after that.
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You’re out to lunch at Mcdonald’s crushing a Happy Meal.
He will cost, but it won’t be a 1st. Try to keep up.
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he'll be 29 during next year which would be the first year of his new contract.
5 year deal takes him to 34 years old but he only has a 184 games under his belt so its not like he's had a ton of hard miles on him.
how much would he cost on a 5 year deal?... if you can get him ANYWEHRE in the 3's. you do it. The cap is going up and even a 3.95M hit by like year 4 and 5 will be equivalent to like a cap hit in the high 2's today, which you could easily justify even if he were to regress down to a 25 point/82 game pace with 220 hits and PK duties.
If its in the 4's you start to take on a bit of risk if he regresses.... but i might do 4 flat or 4.15 over 5 years.... going from the 3's to 4's is border line and if i were the GM i would lean on some of the players opinions here. miller, hughes, boeser, coach... get their opinion on how they project joshua 2 or 3 years from now. if they give the okay then i'd go as high as 4.15M on a 5 year.
5 year deal takes him to 34 years old but he only has a 184 games under his belt so its not like he's had a ton of hard miles on him.
how much would he cost on a 5 year deal?... if you can get him ANYWEHRE in the 3's. you do it. The cap is going up and even a 3.95M hit by like year 4 and 5 will be equivalent to like a cap hit in the high 2's today, which you could easily justify even if he were to regress down to a 25 point/82 game pace with 220 hits and PK duties.
If its in the 4's you start to take on a bit of risk if he regresses.... but i might do 4 flat or 4.15 over 5 years.... going from the 3's to 4's is border line and if i were the GM i would lean on some of the players opinions here. miller, hughes, boeser, coach... get their opinion on how they project joshua 2 or 3 years from now. if they give the okay then i'd go as high as 4.15M on a 5 year.
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You are forgetting that our 1st isnt worth that much.
It will be in the 24-25 draft at the earliest and its likely not a lottery pick.
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I'd take a gamble on him at 4-5m at lower term if that's what he demands. I firmly believe the guy could be a 25-30~ goal guy in the right situation, and other teams probably suspect this too.
He'd pretty much be their Tyler Bertuzzi replacement, and honestly, it's not a bad shot to take for the Leafs. A year younger, and a guy who will bring you more physicality and heart in the playoffs for a little bit less than the other guy.
Power forwards like Dakota don't come along too often, and sometimes you just have to pay to retain these guys. I think Dakota would be worth keeping around even if you have to move a first to dump Mikheyev's contract to do it.
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I have no interest in paying him 4-5m per, and someone will offer him 4x5 or 5x5. Someone's going to regret that deal.
That's fair. It really depends if you think he has another one or two offensive gears. I think he does, and I wouldn't mind if they overpaid him by a mil or two. If you think he doesn't, I can understand thinking it would be a bad decision.
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21% shooting%, there's a very good chance that this was his best year ever. The pro scouts found Joshua in the reject pile, they'll find more outcasts.
Overpaying to keep the same names around is how you end up like Toronto and letting people go to best serve the organization is how you end up like Vegas. There's nobody I wouldn't trade or let go if it got the Canucks a better chance at the cup.
If anything close to 4-5mil is being thrown around, it’s a simple thanks, but your services are no longer required.
I think some Canucks fans are still suffering under the blight of the 2020-21 season, coming out of the pandemic and the bubble playoffs.
Benning basically boxed himself into a hopeless financial corner, and Tanev, Markstrom and Tofoli all walked to be 'replaced' by Braden Holtby and Nate Schmidt. Yikes! Not surprisingly they bottomed out in the one-year Canadian Division.
The difference this time is that while the Canucks do have nine impending UFA's they have close to $23m in cap space to make decisions on people. The can afford to be selective on the UFA's they bring back, and also assessing what's available on the open market.
I'd like to see Joshua, Zadorov and Lindholm all return--but the dollars have to make sense. And you can rest assured Allvin 'won't run out of time' like the last infamous GM.
Benning basically boxed himself into a hopeless financial corner, and Tanev, Markstrom and Tofoli all walked to be 'replaced' by Braden Holtby and Nate Schmidt. Yikes! Not surprisingly they bottomed out in the one-year Canadian Division.
The difference this time is that while the Canucks do have nine impending UFA's they have close to $23m in cap space to make decisions on people. The can afford to be selective on the UFA's they bring back, and also assessing what's available on the open market.
I'd like to see Joshua, Zadorov and Lindholm all return--but the dollars have to make sense. And you can rest assured Allvin 'won't run out of time' like the last infamous GM.
I remember asking a Buffalo fan this after Ehrhoff left Van. They said he was excellent in his time there, and was only bought out due to the cap recapture penalty. I think he had a 10 year, $40 milly deal they used an amnesty buyout on.
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I still remember the between-the-legs PP goal he scored late in the season, after coming back from a broken hand no less. This isn't your typical stone-hands bottom 6 guy. He has legit skills, he is big, hits a ton, and sometimes fights to stand up for teammates. He is easily a middle 6 winger that brings lots of intangibles, things that we badly need more of, not less. After years of signing guys like Beagles/Schallers/Roussels at even higher cap %, I rather keep DJ, even at 4m per, assuming the term isn't ridiculous at that price point.
You aren't going to find 80% of what DJ brings at $2.5m, you just aren't, otherwise DJ wouldn't be able to ask for much himself. I rather overpay him a little and play him on L2 and "cheap out" on our 3L or bottom pairing D.
Heck, just look at the thread title, shut up and pay him his money is how most of us felt over the season. I don't think he played his way to a payout in the playoff.
You aren't going to find 80% of what DJ brings at $2.5m, you just aren't, otherwise DJ wouldn't be able to ask for much himself. I rather overpay him a little and play him on L2 and "cheap out" on our 3L or bottom pairing D.
Heck, just look at the thread title, shut up and pay him his money is how most of us felt over the season. I don't think he played his way to a payout in the playoff.
I'm getting Patrick Maroon vibes from Joshua......his regular season numbers are one thing, but he's just built for playoff hockey. The ice closes down, and winning games is about as much 'will' as 'skill'.
Really hoping the player and the Canucks can reach a compromise on a contract. I suppose there's a chance that he goes to another NHL team--a bottom-feeder with little chance of competing for anything. And he probably makes more money.
But he has a chance to be part of something special in Vancouver.....hopefully that counts for something.
Really hoping the player and the Canucks can reach a compromise on a contract. I suppose there's a chance that he goes to another NHL team--a bottom-feeder with little chance of competing for anything. And he probably makes more money.
But he has a chance to be part of something special in Vancouver.....hopefully that counts for something.
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The 24 pick is gone for Lindholm. It won’t take a 1st to punt the Russian. Probably a 3rd and or a prospect like Bains or Sasson. They need to stop hemorrhaging picks unless it’s for a player on this side of 26/27. We all saw the age gap that Gillis left and then Elmer repeated it and tried to backfill with scrubs.
lots of gold to be mined in the 25 -40 area of any draft. Mikheyev might snap back this year if he gets that pop back in his skating. He just doesn’t make so much sense here.
PuckMunchkin
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This is the kind of guy a lot of teams will overpay. He’s big, physical, decent skater and plays well in front of the net. On top of that plays Pk.
I’m getting used to the idea of him being gone. Going to need some size up front.
I’m getting used to the idea of him being gone. Going to need some size up front.
