Tralfamadore
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Are you going to make an actual argument for Hughes or just just make things up?
D. Toews vs Q. Hughes
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Are you going to make an actual argument for Hughes or just just make things up?
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Quinn Hughes is one of the most dynamic offensive blueliners in the NHL.
And this year he has been just as good defensively as Offensively.
Guy is on a 60 point pace, And literally does everything for Vancouver on the backend.
Without Hughes, Canucks are basically a lottery team.
Toews is an amazing two-way D, But that does not make up everything else.
Toews is having a career year offensively, This is not the norm IMO.
Actually it is very close and one might even take Toews he is just that good.
What's weird is that 2 times it has been pointed out how good Toews is 5 on 5 and 2 times you have talked about the teams and not the actual players.
Hughes is having a great bounce back year and will probably get more Norris votes and attention but Toews is as good overall or even better IMO.
Funny that as a neutral fan about 99% of your posts involve the Canucks eh?
How do people keep taking the bait
I just called it out in case some other people didn't know it, really bad take.
"Does not make up everything else"
Man I dont see how you can possibly be more of a bias then this post right here. Toews is literally better at everything then Hughes.
Toews doesn't even get PP1 minutes and he's still producing far more then Hughes.
It's almost like Toews plays on a contender that has Nathan Mackinnon and Mikko Rantanen up front."Does not make up everything else"
Man I dont see how you can possibly be more of a bias then this post right here. Toews is literally better at everything then Hughes.
Toews doesn't even get PP1 minutes and he's still producing far more then Hughes.
"Toews is literally better at everything then Hughes" - hard to be more biased than this take.
RapidKnight
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Toews is leading defenseman in +/-, PPG, and is far and away the best even strength producer this season. What else does he have to do? Makar does not carry Toews. He is legitimately a top 10 defenseman.
TheRarestDangles
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Says the Avs fan"Does not make up everything else"
Man I dont see how you can possibly be more of a bias then this post right here. Toews is literally better at everything then Hughes.
Toews doesn't even get PP1 minutes and he's still producing far more then Hughes.
canuckking1
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"Does not make up everything else"
Man I dont see how you can possibly be more of a bias then this post right here. Toews is literally better at everything then Hughes.
Toews doesn't even get PP1 minutes and he's still producing far more then Hughes.
Do you know what's even funnier than that? Makar is supposed to be the best defender in the league yet Toews has a better stat line in every category outside of goals this season. How does that work? Best D in the league getting outplayed by his own partner
Do you know what's even funnier than that? Makar is supposed to be the best defender in the league yet Toews has a better stat line in every category outside of goals this season. How does that work? Best D in the league getting outplayed by his own partner
Not funny at all.
Literally just further proves how f***ing good Toews is. Thanks for clarifying that part.
Nucker101
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I think both are great players, but you have to wonder what these stat lines look like if they swapped jerseys
You’d think Canucks fans would show some humility after 18 months of telling everyone that Hughes is vastly superior to Makar, and ending so astonishingly wrong.
"Does not make up everything else"
Man I dont see how you can possibly be more of a bias then this post right here. Toews is literally better at everything then Hughes.
Toews doesn't even get PP1 minutes and he's still producing far more then Hughes.
Are you seriously going to post something so ridiculous as the bolded and then laugh at someone else’s take?
Toews is really good, but people need to get over the production. He’s a good supporting offensive player but he’s not an elite offensive player and he’s clearly benefitting from a ridiculous offense right now where everyone is shooting like they’re Craig f***ing Simpson. Zero chance he outproduces Hughes on the same team.
When comparing the two in above replacement models
Hughes has a slight edge offensively in driving offense at even strength.
But Toews defensive metrics of the WAR model are substantially higher than Hughes, and his impact short handed also boosts him up.
So the overall impact is Toews.
Hughes has a slight edge offensively in driving offense at even strength.
But Toews defensive metrics of the WAR model are substantially higher than Hughes, and his impact short handed also boosts him up.
So the overall impact is Toews.
