Prospect Info: (D) Nolan Allan - 2021 32nd Overall

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Glad I didn't say anything in this thread.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Glad I didn't say anything in this thread.

To be fair it was understandable to not be happy with Bowman/Kelley drafting and expect this to have been another disaster

Also, the whole trading for Jones and contract extension soured situation at time as well for some

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

To be fair it was understandable to not be happy with Bowman/Kelley drafting and expect this to have been another disaster

Also, the whole trading for Jones and contract extension soured situation at time as well for some

No idea what the Jones trade has to do with drafting a defenseman at 32. You need six he's not a goalie.

 

[Dead Meat]

I was very sour on Stan at the time - not many of his defenseman picks hit and then giving up on them early in trades made me skeptical.... I'm still sour on him and wonder what he could've done with the Reichel pick in that draft.

 

[hawksrule]

No idea what the Jones trade has to do with drafting a defenseman at 32. You need six he's not a goalie.

‏ He pick was part of the trade.

 

[TLEH]

Still think the pick was relatively lower ceiling relative to some of the other options available. It was a weird pick not because he was a bad pick, but because we needed some higher end swings with the roster we had. We weren’t supplementing a contender.

 

[ello]

Can post in the 2024 draft thread and I wouldn’t bat an eyelash

 

[ColbyChaos]

Wasn't Allan projected to be drafted in late 30's thru 50 range?

Not that much of a reach taking him at #32

Also, since being drafted he has won a gold as part of Canada's WJC so it's not like his stock as a prospect has declined since draft. If anything, he is looking more and more worthy of being drafted in 1st round

 

[ColbyChaos]

No idea what the Jones trade has to do with drafting a defenseman at 32. You need six he's not a goalie.

Yes but we traded pick 12 and a future first at the time when this team wasnt close to being a playoff team. Stan felt that the team over performing in 2021 in a division only season meant that they were a jones away from contending which fans knew already there was a lot more work needed to be done

 

[Faceboner]

Yes but we traded pick 12 and a future first at the time when this team wasnt close to being a playoff team. Stan felt that the team over performing in 2021 in a division only season meant that they were a jones away from contending which fans knew already there was a lot more work needed to be done

Who would you guys have picked with that 12th pick though? Looking back so far maybe Zac bolduc would be worth it or sillinger if he turns it around. Jones provides more value on the ice as of now the only thing that makes it close is cap hit.

 

[belfour30]

Who would you guys have picked with that 12th pick though? Looking back so far maybe Zac bolduc would be worth it or sillinger if he turns it around. Jones provides more value on the ice as of now the only thing that makes it close is cap hit.

I'd still rather have Jiricek than Jones.
Honestly, if they could have NOT traded their 2022 pick and taken back the #32 pick, I think it would have been a more fair trade.

So it would have been #12, 44 and Boqvist. I think that would have been a fair deal.
Honestly, I would have traded Kurashev because that's someone CBJ was interested in rather than the 2022 1st rounder.

 

[WarLax]

I'd still rather have Jiricek than Jones.
Honestly, if they could have NOT traded their 2022 pick and taken back the #32 pick, I think it would have been a more fair trade.

So it would have been #12, 44 and Boqvist. I think that would have been a fair deal.
Honestly, I would have traded Kurashev because that's someone CBJ was interested in rather than the 2022 1st rounder.

Lol, you really think Columbus valued Kurashev (especially at that time) like a first rounder? Just because there were reports they were interested in him, does not mean that they valued him at a first-round pick level from a crap team (hint: they didn't).

 

[WarriorofTime]

You can't really take the 2021 Draft Ranks too seriously to begin with, that 2020-21 season got completely wrecked with COVID at junior levels.

 

[belfour30]

Lol, you really think Columbus valued Kurashev (especially at that time) like a first rounder? Just because there were reports they were interested in him, does not mean that they valued him at a first-round pick level from a crap team (hint: they didn't).

No, but I think Kurashev + #32 might have gotten the job done.

The 2nd 1st was always a massive overpayment.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Who would you guys have picked with that 12th pick though? Looking back so far maybe Zac bolduc would be worth it or sillinger if he turns it around. Jones provides more value on the ice as of now the only thing that makes it close is cap hit.

I like most other people at the time was mostly irate over a future first in 2022 being sent over when it was a decent chance the hawks would be bad. They were never a Jones and Fleiry away from contending

 

[Faceboner]

I like most other people at the time was mostly irate over a future first in 2022 being sent over when it was a decent chance the hawks would be bad. They were never a Jones and Fleiry away from contending

True but with everything playing out you got Bedard out of the whole ordeal maybe you guys get another mid to late first through Murphy, Jones, hall, Dickinson, Kurashev and reichel or a mix of those guys I could see a hall at 50% for a 1st and a b+ prospect along with an additional 5th

 

[BobbyJet]

Still think the pick was relatively lower ceiling relative to some of the other options available. It was a weird pick not because he was a bad pick, but because we needed some higher end swings with the roster we had. We weren’t supplementing a contender.

My biggest question in the '21 draft (in hindsight) is how Knies could hang around until #57. As a rookie, he played like a veteran from the day he joined the NHL - now looks to be the steal of the 2021 draft.

 

[Kevin Musto]

My biggest question in the '21 draft (in hindsight) is how Knies could hang around until #57. As a rookie, he played like a veteran from the day he joined the NHL - now looks to be the steal of the 2021 draft.

At the time, scouts didn't like his skating, IQ, playmaking/vision, and defensive game

 

[Kurtosis]

At the time, scouts didn't like his skating, IQ, playmaking/vision, and defensive game

So like everything?

 

[BobbyJet]

At the time, scouts didn't like his skating, IQ, playmaking/vision, and defensive game

Wow. The kid joined the Leafs in the playoffs, no less, and didn't miss a beat. I guess it is a prime illustration about the crap shoot that is the drafting of teenagers.

 

[Kevin Musto]

So like everything?

Kind of, yeah.

They really liked his size profile, and how it allowed him to drive to the net like a prototypical power forward. But there were a lot of question marks with the rest.

Also he had a bad start to his draft year season, so all of his scoring came pretty late, and I think a lot of opinions were made at that point.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Knies is a lot like Saad. All the tools to be a top player in the league. But for whatever reason is just not the greatest offensively, and likely never will be. All around solid player though.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I think Stankhoven will be that draft's steal.

 

[BHawk21]

Zellweger would have been nice. Next defenseman taken. But who knows maybe Allan ends up a reliable 4.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Zellweger would have been nice. Next defenseman taken. But who knows maybe Allan ends up a reliable 4.

Zellweger is talented, but I'm unsure how well he'll hold up in the playoffs.

He's small.