Prospect Info: (D) Nolan Allan - 2021 32nd Overall

[BobbyJet]

Imagine bragging about predicting 1 of 2 outcomes correctly (they were never gonna take a goalie).

Not sure if that was the case but it would have been a better forecast if he claimed they would choose a big, hard-hitting, defensive Dman - a refreshing change from the picks of the recent past.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Not sure if that was the case but it would have been a better forecast if he claimed they would choose a big, hard-hitting, defensive Dman - a refreshing change from the picks of the recent past.

Well, I know they were interested in Lambos, a hard hitting defenseman, and Svozil or whoever you spell his name, a rock solid defensive defenseman.

My sources know a thing or two.

 

[HawksDub89]

Yes.

With a late 1st, a second pairing D-man is a good get.

Absolutely not. This board needs to stop its constant Murphy slander. Allan will never be at Murphy's level.

This draft did not suck.

There wasn't an elite talent available per se, but Kirsanov was the best shutdown defender available. If that's what the Hawks want out of Allan, that's a huge mistake not picking Kirsanov instead. Morrow was the best skating defender with size available. If that's what the Hawks want out of Allan, that's a huge mistake not picking Morrow instead. I also think Simon Robertsson is going to be a good two way winger which is more than Allan will be. And we could have also taken Logan Stankoven who could easily be a 20 goal scorer in the league.

There was a lot of talent left on the board. Can't believe I'm seeing revisionist history here already.

So again, none of this is consensus, all just your opinion that you think is above everything.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

KBS
Said he only watches Hawk highlights. Prefers watching good teams.

You have me confused with @Kaners BAC.

I watch more Hawks than any other team in the NHL.

I'll be watching more of other teams this year but the Hawks are my priority.

 

[Kevin Musto]

So again, none of this is consensus, all just your opinion that you think is above everything.

Sure it's opinion, but I know what I'm talking about.

And for the record, Nolan Allan was a consensus 3rd round pick. So I'm not alone.

 

[Larmer83]

From the Nolan Allan page at Elite Prospects...

2021 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #101 by FCHockey
2021 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #89 by McKeen's Hockey
2021 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #59 by TSN/McKenzie
2021 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #40 by NHL Central Scouting

Note that the Central Scouting is North American skaters.

 

[HawksDub89]

Sure it's opinion, but I know what I'm talking about.

And for the record, Nolan Allan was a consensus 3rd round pick. So I'm not alone.

I didn’t say he wasn’t. I said there wasn’t a consensus pick for the Hawks in that spot. Just a bunch of “meh” options that may or may not work out.

Strong likelihood that most of those guys you listed won’t be anything special.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

So again, none of this is consensus, all just your opinion that you think is above everything.

Well, this draft was an interesting one.

Because of the pandemic, most scouts actually admitted to tape over seeing players live. I don’t recall that ever happening before.

That said, I trust the Hawks scouts and the direction they are going. They have obviously addressed getting bigger and tougher and Allan, no matter what anybody says, was shooting up the draft board and wouldn’t have lasted past the second pick in the second round.

Not one person who feeds me info said this was a bad pick or a reach. Not one. That’s good enough for me then make believe scouts.

He got some comparisons to Seabrook but he’s more a Hammer type who isn’t afraid to lay the body and will do whatever it takes to keep the puck out his own net.

He’s gonna be solid

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

I didn’t say he wasn’t. I said there wasn’t a consensus pick for the Hawks in that spot. Just a bunch of “meh” options that may or may not work out.

Strong likelihood that most of those guys you listed won’t be anything special.

Who you kidding?

None of those guys will be special.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Strong likelihood that most of those guys you listed won’t be anything special.

Kirsanov and Morrow will be better defensemen than Allan.

Book it.

 

[Hawkaholic]

If Allan turns into a decent 4D is this pick considered a success?

Depends what the guys drafted behind him turn in to.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Sure it's opinion, but I know what I'm talking about.

And for the record, Nolan Allan was a consensus 3rd round pick. So I'm not alone.

You “know” what?

 

[HawksDub89]

Kirsanov and Morrow will be better defensemen than Allan.

Book it.

Cool

 

[Pez68]

Sure it's opinion, but I know what I'm talking about.

And for the record, Nolan Allan was a consensus 3rd round pick. So I'm not alone.

Can you reference a single prospect you were pumping the tires of over the years, that you actually turned out to be correct on? Just one. With quoted citations.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Can you reference a single prospect you were pumping the tires of over the years, that you actually turned out to be correct on? Just one. With quoted citations.

You have to be patient.

I've only been hyping up prospects since like 2018.

You gotta wait for them to pan out.

But feel free to look at me having Quinn Hughes as the 3rd best player from his draft class, and saying the Hawks should select Kirby Dach.

The rest will follow in due time.

 

[cassac]

Sure it's opinion, but I know what I'm talking about.

And for the record, Nolan Allan was a consensus 3rd round pick. So I'm not alone.

Just like Strome and Mitchell? I hope that Mitchell turns out to be a solid second pairing that can QB the second PP, but your takes in general are bad (almost horrible).

 

[BK]

Sure it's opinion, but I know what I'm talking about.

And for the record, Nolan Allan was a consensus 3rd round pick. So I'm not alone.

Why do you know what you are talking about? What is your background that helps with this? Did you play? Have sports science background?

 

[Pez68]

You have to be patient.

I've only been hyping up prospects since like 2018.

You gotta wait for them to pan out.

But feel free to look at me having Quinn Hughes as the 3rd best player from his draft class, and saying the Hawks should select Kirby Dach.

The rest will follow in due time.

What a stretch to pump the tires of a guy drafted 7th overall...

 

[BobbyJet]

Expectations?

A 2nd pairing D is a success, but there should be an outside shot at something more. It doesn't look like there is with Allan unless he makes massive strides offensively.

FFS ... not all Dmen need to be offensive juggernauts. There is always room for a guy like Allan in the NHL game. What I don't get is why it needs to be explained. It is not a video game!

 

[clydesdale line]

You have to be patient.

I've only been hyping up prospects since like 2018.

You gotta wait for them to pan out.

But feel free to look at me having Quinn Hughes as the 3rd best player from his draft class, and saying the Hawks should select Kirby Dach.

The rest will follow in due time.

Only time will tell if you were right about Dach. Obviously his injury last season set him back but I do agree with you that he is going to be a stud. You've missed far more than you've hit though on "your guys". I do commend you on your writeups, evaluations etc. on here but you also have to learn to stop being so nauseating on your "I'm smarter than hockey scouts, this guy is generational, etc" crap.

 

[Giovi]

Yes, but you want something more than that with a 1st round pick.

....he said, completely ignoring the world of difference between a 1st rounder, say the 6th pick for example, and the 32nd pick.....

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

....he said, completely ignoring the world of difference between a 1st rounder, say the 6th pick for example, and the 32nd pick.....

You still want players with an outside chance for top pairing/1st line in the 2nd round.

There are a lot of 2nd rounders over the years that became 1st liners/top pairing D. Kucherov was a 2nd rounder.

 

[Pez68]

You still want players with an outside chance for top pairing/1st line in the 2nd round.

Of course you WANT those players. I WANT to win the lottery. But that's not a reasonable expectation at all. lol

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Of course you WANT those players. I WANT to win the lottery. But that's not a reasonable expectation at all. lol

But they exist on an almost annual basis.
It isn't a reasonable expectation but it shouldn't be completely out of the question either.

 

[Giovi]

But they exist on an almost annual basis.

But the odds are far less you'll get one there than with a top 15 pick.