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D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

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If I was in Montreal's spot, I would have drafted Reinbacher over Michkov too. Before he got injured in the WC I thought he looked great for Austria playing against professional players. It's so incredibly rare to see a teenage defenseman play that well against grown men, let alone the kind of competition in the WC. Sure, Michkov might end up as the more valuable player down the road but there was just so much risk with Michkov that I would have gladly taken David Reinbacher.
 
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Ducks said:
If I was in Montreal's spot, I would have drafted Reinbacher over Michkov too. Before he got injured in the WC I thought he looked great for Austria playing against professional players. It's so incredibly rare to see a teenage defenseman play that well against grown men, let alone the kind of competition in the WC. Sure, Michkov might end up as the more valuable player down the road but there was just so much risk with Michkov that I would have gladly taken David Reinbacher.
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The risk is one thing but the player being totally unwilling to even talk to most teams caused him to fall in the draft. Teams are not gonna draft a player without being able to talk to him previously.
 
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cave troll said:
Yes. That's the reasoning !
I'm gonna point out one player and then I'm gonna deduce something from that one player.
Moser is most likely the better defender that any Russian of his age but that doesn't mean that overall quality of Russian players in that age isn't vastly superior. Russians wiped the floor with Moser's generation at WJC.
And then those players start to play in KHL being labeled "no namers".
At the same time you have Swiss league dominated by 33-40 yrs old imports in their last attempt to earn some money before retirement. Most of those discarded from KHL cause deemed becoming to old for the league's pace.
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It would be difficult to define objectively what a no-name player would be, but if we go by Russian WJC defensemen that have at least one game in the NHL:

2020: 2 players (Romanov, Zamula)
2019: 3 players (Romanov, Alexeyev, Samorukov)
2018: 2 players (Knyzhov, Samorukov)
2017: 1 player (Sergachyov)
2016: 1 player (Provorov)
2015: 3 players (Provorov, Gavrikov, Valiyev)
2014: 4 players (Zadorov, Lyubushkin, Tryamkin, Mironov)
2013: 2 players (Nesterov, Mironov)
2012: 3 players (Nesterov, Ozhiganov, Antipin)
2011: 2 players (Orlov, Zaitsev)

Honestly even of those at least half are pretty close to being no-name players, on average maybe one per year is genuinely something more.
 
You're missing the point here Albatros.
It was about some dude claiming that bottom feeder Swiss team has a better roster than 3rd team in Russian east by calling and Russian players no namers.
I was just pointing out that Russian hockey is much better on all levels, Starting from youngsters.
 
cave troll said:
You're missing the point here Albatros.
It was about some dude claiming that bottom feeder Swiss team has a better roster than 3rd team in Russian east by calling and Russian players no namers.
I was just pointing out that Russian hockey is much better on all levels, Starting from youngsters.
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Better than Croatian hockey? That's most likely the case, yes.
 
Albatros said:
It would be difficult to define objectively what a no-name player would be, but if we go by Russian WJC defensemen that have at least one game in the NHL:

2020: 2 players (Romanov, Zamula)
2019: 3 players (Romanov, Alexeyev, Samorukov)
2018: 2 players (Knyzhov, Samorukov)
2017: 1 player (Sergachyov)
2016: 1 player (Provorov)
2015: 3 players (Provorov, Gavrikov, Valiyev)
2014: 4 players (Zadorov, Lyubushkin, Tryamkin, Mironov)
2013: 2 players (Nesterov, Mironov)
2012: 3 players (Nesterov, Ozhiganov, Antipin)
2011: 2 players (Orlov, Zaitsev)

Honestly even of those at least half are pretty close to being no-name players, on average maybe one per year is genuinely something more.
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In context of the WJC, any player good enough to play in the NHL can hardly be considered no-name.

Make a similar list for WJC Swiss defensemen. Let's see how good that is.
 
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Hanji said:
In context of the WJC, any player good enough to play in the NHL can hardly be considered no-name.

Make a similar list for WJC Swiss defensemen. Let's see how good that is.
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That would include Moser, Siegenthaler, Müller, Kukan, and Berni. So two or three prominent ones with 5-8 WJC tournaments between them.
 
Still, somehow Switzlerland always gets steamrolled by Russians. WJC, WC..it doesn't matter.
Whoever they put on the ice, they lose.
Kids playing - Russia wins. U-20 - Russia wins. WC with 80% roster with KHL "no namers" - Russia wins. Olympics with NHL stars - Russia wins.

And then we read that Swiss bottom feeder is better team one of good KHL teams with " no namers".
What a joke.
 
Albatros said:
That would include Moser, Siegenthaler, Müller, Kukan, and Berni. So two or three prominent ones with 5-8 WJC tournaments between them.
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5 Swiss and 18 Russians with NHL games under their belt.


There ya go. It validates what the poster cave troll is saying.
 
cave troll said:
Still, somehow Switzlerland always gets steamrolled by Russians. WJC, WC..it doesn't matter.
Whoever they put on the ice, they lose.
Kids playing - Russia wins. U-20 - Russia wins. WC with 80% roster with KHL "no namers" - Russia wins. Olympics with NHL stars - Russia wins.

And then we read that Swiss bottom feeder is better team one of good KHL teams with " no namers".
What a joke.
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The Swiss national teams are underperforming ever since the cult took over. They're all idiots. The SIHF needs a house cleaning. It's a huge problem. That's a topic for a different thread though.
 
David Suzuki said:
If Reinbacher plays like McDonagh in the NHL the pick is a home run lol.
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Yeah I think McDonagh is top 5ish of a decent draft.

Reinbacher doesn't even need to run a PP. That will be Hutson's job.

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Well deserved pass.

Glad to see he's playing some PK and PP.

His 1vs1 on the dzone look weird. He over skate opponent instead of taking the body. His relance is so good.
 
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cave troll said:
Still, somehow Switzlerland always gets steamrolled by Russians. WJC, WC..it doesn't matter.
Whoever they put on the ice, they lose.
Kids playing - Russia wins. U-20 - Russia wins. WC with 80% roster with KHL "no namers" - Russia wins. Olympics with NHL stars - Russia wins.

And then we read that Swiss bottom feeder is better team one of good KHL teams with " no namers".
What a joke.
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At junior level bigger nations have advantage due to the size of their pools.
WC with 80% KHL is unusual, and its irrelevant, since for last several years majority of NT players were coming from 2 teams{SKA and CSKA) and no namers from Lada didnt play at WC.

Lada is overperforming its simple. By the quality of their roster they are a bottom team in KHL and in NL.
I called them nonamers because they are by russian standards. It has nothing to do with WJC or Russia vs Switzerland in hockey.

And yes, the fact that a team with such roster is doing so well tells a lot about the current state of KHL.

Regarding the hot takes, you were the one with by far the most bizarre claim so far. When you said that Kloten would be a bottom team in VHL, which is absolute bonkers

Two of the Kloten top forwards just recently were stars for KHL team Vityaz btw.
 
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Dirtyf1ghter said:
No. I was talking about this user in particular, not a generality. During a topic on Belarusians, Artyom Levshunov also suffered the same denigration. However, Levshunov also plays in North America.
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Dude, check your notebooks, I have literally never said anything about Levshunov except for telling that I have not said anything about Levshunov
 
Garl said:
At junior level bigger nations have advantage due to the size of their pools.
WC with 80% KHL is unusual, and its irrelevant, since for last several years majority of NT players were coming from 2 teams{SKA and CSKA) and no namers from Lada didnt play at WC.

Lada is overperforming its simple. By the quality of their roster they are a bottom team in KHL and in NL.
I called them nonamers because they are by russian standards. It has nothing to do with WJC or Russia vs Switzerland in hockey.

And yes, the fact that a team with such roster is doing so well tells a lot about the current state of KHL.

Regarding the hot takes, you were the one with by far the most bizarre claim so far. When you said that Kloten would be a bottom team in VHL, which is absolute bonkers

Two of the Kloten top forwards just recently were stars for KHL team Vityaz btw.
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So, Kloten top forwards are OK cause they were acquired from Vityaz, while Lada players who played for Avangard, CSKA, Salavat Yulaev, SKA, Sibir, Spartak Ak Bars and similar teams are no namers? They were brought in to make team better after they rejoined KHL.
Where would you put in Lada roster players like Simic, Marchon,Diem, Ang...?
About WC..Im pretty sure Swiss team was made from Kloten players, wasn't it?
 
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Hinterland said:
The Swiss national teams are underperforming ever since the cult took over. They're all idiots. The SIHF needs a house cleaning. It's a huge problem. That's a topic for a different thread though.
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And still, after house cleaning Russia will win in all levels. Bigger base, bigger tradition, bigger numbers of better coaches, system from kids to pros second only to NA hockey. They were always second only to Canada, even in times when Russian hockey knew nothing about import players.
But like I said, I have a feeling that russian hockey is being bashed just for somebody to prove Michkov plays against nobodies.
 
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And still, after house cleaning Russia will win in all levels. Bigger base, bigger tradition, bigger numbers of better coaches, system from kids to pros second only to NA hockey. They were always second only to Canada, even in times when Russian hockey knew nothing about import players.
But like I said, I have a feeling that russian hockey is being bashed just for somebody to prove Michkov plays against nobodies.
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I don't even care about Michkov or Russian hockey so I don't need to bash them either. I also don't understand why it's a topic here. This is the Reinbacher thread and Michkov wasn't even an option for the Habs. Even if they selected somebody else over Reinbacher, 0% it would have been Michkov. He was on their no draft list...he was, in fact, on many team's no draft list because he was unwilling to even talk to most teams. Now trolls like you are filling all the prospects threads bitching about why team x or y didn't select Michkov over prospect x or y when the answer is common sense. Also remains to be seen if the player is even any good (if he needs a trade in the NHL as well to get going then he might not be) or if he's willing to play NHL long term at all.

The whole discussion is stupid. Compare Reinbacher to Simashev or other players drafted after him but not players you know were, for good reasons, on the Habs no draft list.
 
Zilo44 said:
McDonagh was terrific, your expectations are way too high if he’s a disappointment
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McDonaugh was absolutely terrific no arguments there from me. That's not my point. My expectations of Reinbacher are for him to be more impactful on the ice in his prime than all or at least the majority of the guys picked after him. That's it that's all. I believe there will be players more impactful than McDonough in this draft. Hopefully Reinbacher is one of them

edit: Sorry I thought this was the habs board discussion. I love rein as a prospect but my comment is discussing the pick itself more than the prospect which has no need to be adressed here
 
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The Gr8 Dane said:
I would be disappointed if he ended up just as McDonough
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You would be disappointed if he ended up as a dominant number one defenseman?

Good lord, be prepared for him to be a massive failure, then, because even the management team that drafted him said that he would be a few tiers below that as just - if he pans out exactly as they hope, which he won't - a number two d-man.
 
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