D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[Hinterland]

Does he?
Montreal Canadiens loan David Reinbacher to EHC Kloten

Also, Aloie didn't have an problems distpatching Kloten and scoring 5 goals. Saying they're safe form relegation it's not a certainity.

They're not safe but it's highly unlikely they lose a series vs Ajoie or the SL champion let alone both. Ajoie simply doesn't have the same quality. A regular season game isn't the same as a post season series. Completely different cup of tea. Kloten isn't a good NL team but they're still significantly better than Ajoie. Even just the imports are so much better despite Morley being a bust. The return of Reinbacher and the addition of Beaulieu should stabilize Kloten down the road. Maybe the coaching change will also spark underperforming players like Ang.

 

[montreal]

They you should put up highlights showing his horrible mistakes and irresponsible D plays vs Lugano and Langnau. 2 games in a row. I didn't see the failed double pirouette vs Langnau in your video.

the only game I don't have is the very first one where he scored an empty net goal but all the bad plays are in there as I do that in most of my vids

 

[cave troll]

I know Morley very well since he played for my team when it was competing in EBEL.
TBH. never liked the guy. Yeah in those time he was a good scorer, but a total liability when the opponent had the puck.

 

[wetcoast]

If 8 goals and 14 points in 11 games is wavering his shine then he must have been a quasar a year ago

He is a very small and not particularly fast for his size and a Dman pretty hard to project NHL success for him.

I also think Reinbacher is going to be a very good Dman for years, time will tell.

 

[montreal]

They you should put up highlights showing his horrible mistakes and irresponsible D plays vs Lugano and Langnau. 2 games in a row. I didn't see the failed double pirouette vs Langnau in your video.

is this what you are talking about,



1:18 goal against

 

[cave troll]

Lol, I didn't even watched cause the video was named with "impressive defensive plays".
Yes, I know it's not right to label videos "Reinbacher's massive mistakes" since kid is probably watching all these videos, but kid played two horrible games in a row.
And I don't blame him for anything. Whole team plays like crap with tons of mistakes and they're just dragging him down.

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[montreal]

Lol, I didn't even watched cause the video was named with "impressive defensive plays".
Yes, I know it's not right to label videos "Reinbacher's massive mistakes" since kid is probably watching all these videos, but kid played two horrible games in a row.
And I don't blame him for anything. Whole team plays like crap with tons of mistakes and they're just dragging him down.

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that game was from 3 games ago.

 

[River Meadow]

is this what you are talking about,



1:18 goal against

That feeling when you pass on Matvei Michkov for 'Character'.

 

[cave troll]

That feeling when you pass on Matvei Michkov for 'Character'.

It is what it is. Michkov is out of reach.
Still, Reinbacher is far from some kind of D-man prodigy.
I don't know what they were looking for in D corps.
If they wanted an offensive D-man dynamo dominating the PP, they could have taken Pellikka who is tearing up the SHL. Still, we have Hutson which is supposed to fill that role.
They wanted some strong D-man who plays safe ? Well, as we can see, Reinbacher is not that kind of prospect since he likes to do risky plays without any reason and f*** up big time.

 

[Mersss]

It is what it is. Michkov is out of reach.
Still, Reinbacher is far from some kind of D-man prodigy.
I don't know what they were looking for in D corps.
If they wanted an offensive D-man dynamo dominating the PP, they could have taken Pellikka who is tearing up the SHL. Still, we have Hutson which is supposed to fill that role.
They wanted some strong D-man who plays safe ? Well, as we can see, Reinbacher is not that kind of prospect since he likes to do risky plays without any reason and f*** up big time.

Same Michkov who was kicked out of SKA because of piss poor attitude?

Guy can light up the KHL all he wants, teams are usually not interested in greedy players who think are betet then everyone else.

Reinbacher was and is still by far the best dman from that draft.

 

[Fatass]

Same Michkov who was kicked out of SKA because of piss poor attitude?

Guy can light up the KHL all he wants, teams are usually not interested in greedy players who think are betet then everyone else.

Reinbacher was and is still by far the best dman from that draft.

Imo a club shouldn’t draft for position in the top picks. Even if Reinbacher is the best D in his draft (I disagree, but that’s not the point here) there was clearly a forward who was a lot better. Michkov was the selection at five. He’s the guy with the elite ceiling. Reinbacher doesn’t have that level of ceiling.

 

[Mersss]

Imo a club shouldn’t draft for position in the top picks. Even if Reinbacher is the best D in his draft (I disagree, but that’s not the point here) there was clearly a forward who was a lot better. Michkov was the selection at five. He’s the guy with the elite ceiling. Reinbacher doesn’t have that level of ceiling.

Elite ceillign possibly yah
1- Does he have the will to reach that ceiling?
2- Do you want to have to deal with a primadonna that will start crying and b*tch around whenever he is unhappy?

We've seen plenty of players with all the talent in the world that did nothing at the next level because of piss poor attitude, time will tell who was right in there but if Reinbacher turns out like a Dahlin type of Dman (reinbacher had a better draft year than Dahlin statistically), Habs will be more than happy with their draft.

One fact remains above all, DEFENSE wins championships. Look at the different winnign teams, they won because of physicallity and outstanding deensive system. If you only allow 1 or 2 goals / game, it's hard to lose.

 

[Fatass]

Elite ceillign possibly yah
1- Does he have the will to reach that ceiling?
2- Do you want to have to deal with a primadonna that will start crying and b*tch around whenever he is unhappy?

We've seen plenty of players with all the talent in the world that did nothing at the next level because of piss poor attitude, time will tell who was right in there but if Reinbacher turns out like a Dahlin type of Dman (reinbacher had a better draft year than Dahlin statistically), Habs will be more than happy with their draft.

One fact remains above all, DEFENSE wins championships. Look at the different winnign teams, they won because of physicallity and outstanding deensive system. If you only allow 1 or 2 goals / game, it's hard to lose.

Great players make the difference. Eichel last season. Makar the year before. Kucherov and Hedman and keep going back. Crosby, Malkin, and list goes on. These are the difference makers. Reinbacher is going to (likely) be a solid player, but a difference maker? Michkov has a difference maker ceiling. Got to pick those guys when they come up.

 

[Raistlin]

Same Michkov who was kicked out of SKA because of piss poor attitude?

Guy can light up the KHL all he wants, teams are usually not interested in greedy players who think are betet then everyone else.

Reinbacher was and is still by far the best dman from that draft.

Your opinion is not shared by all though. TSN just rated Reinbacher a B level prospect, while the 2 D prospects picked after him rated A. Maybe Habs brass think they have a similar talent in Caufield so skipped on Michkov, that's very debatable.

 

[EveryDay]

Your opinion is not shared by all though. TSN just rated Reinbacher a B level prospect, while the 2 D prospects picked after him rated A. Maybe Habs brass think they have a similar talent in Caufield so skipped on Michkov, that's very debatable.

Button??? Hahahah ok you win.

 

[malcb33]

Your opinion is not shared by all though. TSN just rated Reinbacher a B level prospect, while the 2 D prospects picked after him rated A. Maybe Habs brass think they have a similar talent in Caufield so skipped on Michkov, that's very debatable.

That TSN ranking was terrible. There were a number of very questionable ratings in that, and it's not much of a basis to rate a player. He's also been injured this season.

Tom Willander was a A, while Kaden Ghule was a B. One plays high minutes, against top players in the NHL, while the other is a top prospect, but still in college.

 

[cave troll]

Your opinion is not shared by all though. TSN just rated Reinbacher a B level prospect, while the 2 D prospects picked after him rated A. Maybe Habs brass think they have a similar talent in Caufield so skipped on Michkov, that's very debatable.

I saw Reinbacher dropping down to 20+ by some scouts before draft on their final list. After watching him crumble on ice now I see why.

 

[cave troll]

That TSN ranking was terrible. There were a number of very questionable ratings in that, and it's not much of a basis to rate a player. He's also been injured this season.

Tom Willander was a A, while Kaden Ghule was a B. One plays high minutes, against top players in the NHL, while the other is a top prospect, but still in college.

This the combined table of all relevant scouting groups:
Draft spreadsheet

Reinbacher in the end finished 10th. One spot ahead of Pellikka. He was nowhere close to 5th spot.
Thing is, Pellikka is progressing big time and scoring goals in a much tougher league, while Reinbacher is struggling, making terrible mistakes and getting one tiny point in his 7 games.
If Reinbacher was in this type of form last year, he would have ended in 2nd round for sure.

Somehow I feel the jackpot winners of this draft will be Flyers and Sabres. Flyers got a free gift called Michkov, Sabres got Benson out of nowhere cause of some 5-6 blind GMs.

 

[Haatley]

Yes, he does,

they "Loaned him" in the same way that any team loans players, based on there existing contract because there contracts all have NHL clauses that permit them to exit back to there team.

Loan, Returned it's all the same thing

He could have played in the AHL.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

I saw Reinbacher dropping down to 20+ by some scouts before draft on their final list. After watching him crumble on ice now I see why.

Spot on; people laughed endlessly when I asserted that Reinbacher hit his ceiling, he'd be a second-pairing defenseman. Probably a more mobile Josh Gorges. Franchise crippling decision to take him over Michkov and several others.

 

[Hinterland]

He could have played in the AHL.

I don't think that's what the transfer agreement says. Reinbacher has a contract in Kloten. He was still able to sign a contract with Montreal thanks to the SIHF signing the transfer agreement with the NHL but I don't think NHL teams can sign players with contracts in Europe just to place them on their AHL team. That would be kinda dumb.

 

[Haatley]

I don't think that's what the transfer agreement says. Reinbacher has a contract in Kloten. He was still able to sign a contract with Montreal thanks to the SIHF signing the transfer agreement with the NHL but I don't think NHL teams can sign players with contracts in Europe just to place them on their AHL team. That would be kinda dumb.

No. Reinbacher wanted to go back. It was said at the draft.

"Notably, this contract contains a European Assignment Clause for the next two seasons, providing the potential option for Reinbacher to remain in the Swiss League. However, Montreal does hold the final decision on where he’ll play next season. As he wasn’t selected out of the CHL, he is eligible to play in Laval."

 

[malcb33]

This the combined table of all relevant scouting groups:
Draft spreadsheet

Reinbacher in the end finished 10th. One spot ahead of Pellikka. He was nowhere close to 5th spot.
Thing is, Pellikka is progressing big time and scoring goals in a much tougher league, while Reinbacher is struggling, making terrible mistakes and getting one tiny point in his 7 games.
If Reinbacher was in this type of form last year, he would have ended in 2nd round for sure.

Somehow I feel the jackpot winners of this draft will be Flyers and Sabres. Flyers got a free gift called Michkov, Sabres got Benson out of nowhere cause of some 5-6 blind GMs.

Cool bro. I was talking about the TSN rankings which the previous poster seemed to think held weight.

Your post doesn’t add to that conversation, but I’m glad you’ve made up your mind on a 19YO prospect.

 

[Garl]

This the combined table of all relevant scouting groups:
Draft spreadsheet

Reinbacher in the end finished 10th. One spot ahead of Pellikka. He was nowhere close to 5th spot.
Thing is, Pellikka is progressing big time and scoring goals in a much tougher league, while Reinbacher is struggling, making terrible mistakes and getting one tiny point in his 7 games.
If Reinbacher was in this type of form last year, he would have ended in 2nd round for sure.

Somehow I feel the jackpot winners of this draft will be Flyers and Sabres. Flyers got a free gift called Michkov, Sabres got Benson out of nowhere cause of some 5-6 blind GMs.

He has 2 pts. And the talk about him being selected lower if he had worse season last year, I mean, isnt that true for any prospect?

Fact is, he has shown a fantastic level of play last year both with Kloten and with Austria. You think he peaked at 18?

 

[Hinterland]

No. Reinbacher wanted to go back. It was said at the draft.

"Notably, this contract contains a European Assignment Clause for the next two seasons, providing the potential option for Reinbacher to remain in the Swiss League. However, Montreal does hold the final decision on where he’ll play next season. As he wasn’t selected out of the CHL, he is eligible to play in Laval."

Lol. Reinbacher may be eligible to play AHL but Montreal still can't send him there without offering him to Kloten first. He's under contract in Kloten. Again, it would be a dumb transfer agreement if NHL teams could sign Europeans out of already existing contracts just to fill the rosters of their farmteams. I shouldn't have to explain you that. It's common sense.