D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[majormajor]

Question than, if Reinbacher was a LHD would he have still been picked at 5? If the answer is no than it was a pick for need.

Value comes from the relative scarcity of player types league wide. It's not necessarily because of scarcity on your team (need).

 

[LeProspector]

I remember when @rt was lambasting me because I said Arizona should take this kid at 6 if he was there. Arizona ended up picking the inferior player Lmaoo. ”Pundits” said Arizona will take Leonard LMAOOOOOO

Reinbacher is a stud.

 

[Jaynki]

You can keep trying to convince yourself of that but it's 100% incorrect. Michkov is a generational talent and when he comes to the NHL he will contend for Rockets annually. This kid is a hair, if that, under Bedard, who is also generational. However, I believe Michkov is on par with Bedard. He was for two years, and outperformed him head-to-head. Then the situation in Russia, and his deal to remain there, started to torpedo his hype. Everyone, including the hockey community, started pushing an anti-Russia narrative that soured people on the thought of drafting Michkov. This is why the hockey community makes the mistakes they do -- they create their own narratives and start believing them.

What Michkov has done at his age is absolutely eye-popping brilliant. He's as impressive as Bedard, McDavid, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, etc. all were at the same age. He has shattered records, and as a kid, absolutely toyed with teams in the 2nd greatest league on the planet. His violent approach to scoring goals is up there with the best ever. His IQ and processing speed is ultra elite. This kid will be a megastar that pulls fans out of their seats on a nightly basis. He has been described by scouts as "Cole Caufield on steroids" and I think he's far better than that. This cat is Sergei Markov with a little Sidney Crosby mixed in.

Quite honestly, the Habs picking Reinbacher is horrible asset management imho. This could be Kotkaniemi x100, considering Michkov (and other high end players) were available. Imho the Canadiens straight up drafted for "need" instead of taking "best player(s) available". In fact, I think Reinbacher might even be the 2nd or 3rd best defenseman in the draft when it all shakes out.

Habs fans have every right to be irate, taking Reinbacher there was awful value. If that was the kid the Habs wanted, they should have traded that pick to Philly for 7 and 22. They would still have gotten Reinbacher and could have picked another defenseman, who could end up better than him, in Gulyayev at 22.

Sure, Reinbacher is a nice player. He also seems like a great kid and it's a shame there is so much disappointment surrounding that pick right now. But the Habs went off-the-board when there was some high-end gamebreakers there and didn't take the best talent available. Unless Reinbacher ends up Larry Robinson -- or at the absolute least, Eric Desjardins -- Canadiens fans will hang this over the club's head for decades.

Listen, i do agree that Michkov is a special offensive talent. There is no arguing there.
But pump the brakes. If Michkov was as good as you state, he would have gone 2nd OV.

Question than, if Reinbacher was a LHD would he have still been picked at 5? If the answer is no than it was a pick for need. Also if you look at the rest of the Habs draft board they clearly picked for need. It's not a strategy I would use in a rebuild but that doesn't mean it won't work in my opinion. Reinbacher isn't going to hurt the club but how much he will help is the unknown.

Its a good question.

The BPA rules state that he should have been picked even if he was a LHD.

I am not sure it would have happened because of Habs depth at LD. But still, he is better tahn Guhle and Hutson and everyone we have there.

 

[rt]

I remember when @rt was lambasting me because I said Arizona should take this kid at 6 if he was there. Arizona ended up picking the inferior player Lmaoo. ”Pundits” said Arizona will take Leonard LMAOOOOOO

Reinbacher is a stud.

I’m guessing Arizona had Simashev higher on their list.

Also, if you thought that was a lambasting, you must be a very delicate flower.

 

[Doublechin]

You can keep trying to convince yourself of that but it's 100% incorrect. Michkov is a generational talent and when he comes to the NHL he will contend for Rockets annually. This kid is a hair, if that, under Bedard, who is also generational. However, I believe Michkov is on par with Bedard. He was for two years, and outperformed him head-to-head. Then the situation in Russia, and his deal to remain there, started to torpedo his hype. Everyone, including the hockey community, started pushing an anti-Russia narrative that soured people on the thought of drafting Michkov. This is why the hockey community makes the mistakes they do -- they create their own narratives and start believing them.

What Michkov has done at his age is absolutely eye-popping brilliant. He's as impressive as Bedard, McDavid, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, etc. all were at the same age. He has shattered records, and as a kid, absolutely toyed with teams in the 2nd greatest league on the planet. His violent approach to scoring goals is up there with the best ever. His IQ and processing speed is ultra elite. This kid will be a megastar that pulls fans out of their seats on a nightly basis. He has been described by scouts as "Cole Caufield on steroids" and I think he's far better than that. This cat is Sergei Markov with a little Sidney Crosby mixed in.

Quite honestly, the Habs picking Reinbacher is horrible asset management imho. This could be Kotkaniemi x100, considering Michkov (and other high end players) were available. Imho the Canadiens straight up drafted for "need" instead of taking "best player(s) available". In fact, I think Reinbacher might even be the 2nd or 3rd best defenseman in the draft when it all shakes out.

Habs fans have every right to be irate, taking Reinbacher there was awful value. If that was the kid the Habs wanted, they should have traded that pick to Philly for 7 and 22. They would still have gotten Reinbacher and could have picked another defenseman, who could end up better than him, in Gulyayev at 22.

Sure, Reinbacher is a nice player. He also seems like a great kid and it's a shame there is so much disappointment surrounding that pick right now. But the Habs went off-the-board when there was some high-end gamebreakers there and didn't take the best talent available. Unless Reinbacher ends up Larry Robinson -- or at the absolute least, Eric Desjardins -- Canadiens fans will hang this over the club's head for decades.

I prefered Leonard over both Michkov and Reinbacher and even Smith. If scouts thought Michkov is generational, he woulda gone at 2.

 

[TopC0rner]

8th on Bob’s list. 9th on Elite prospects.

None of the 16 lists posted on Elite prospects had him earlier than 8th. More than half had him 10 and lower.

thats a lot of ignorant people…

Michkov was lower than 5 on zero list.

So David is a reach. Could be a good reach. Could be a bad reach.

Bob's list is the merging together of 15+ NHL scouts' lists that he receives. So that's a good approximation of where NHL teams see Reinbacher. Outside the EP rankings, Pronman also had him 6th.

On my list (I watched 180 games across the different junior leagues and rated 400 prospects with game reports), I had him 7th. For the record, I had Michkov 3rd. Still, I can understand how a team could have ranked Reinbacher ahead of Michkov regardless of him being from Russia.

 

[stevo61]

I get wanting Michkov but imagine being this angry about drafting a big righty that has very real top pair upside . Once this phase runs out and people get tired of wanting to be angry about something and he comes to NA we'll be flooded with posts about how good he is

 

[HuGo Sham]

I get wanting Michkov but imagine being this angry about drafting a big righty that has very real top pair upside . Once this phase runs out and people get tired of wanting to be angry about something and he comes to NA we'll be flooded with posts about how good he is

HF in a nutshell

 

[Boxscore]

If scouts thought Michkov is generational, he woulda gone at 2.

Many did, and we all now know why he didn't go 2.

 

[majormajor]

Many did, and we all now know why he didn't go 2.

About twelve different reasons.

Tiny forward gets boxed out vs pros
Slow speed gets caught on rush
Pompous attitude to teammates / coaches
Doesn't want to play for your team
Has leverage on signing for you
Literally zero defense
3 year KHL contract
Etc...

 

[NotProkofievian]

About twelve different reasons.

Tiny forward gets boxed out vs pros
Slow speed gets caught on rush
Pompous attitude to teammates / coaches
Doesn't want to play for your team
Has leverage on signing for you
Literally zero defense
3 year KHL contract
Etc...

And I'm just saying, his girlfriend is a 6 at best

 

[Archijerej]

And I'm just saying, his girlfriend is a 6 at best

And when Reinbacher enters the room you have a feeling his dick has been there already a minute earlier.

 

[jellybeans]

I like Reinbacher, looks like a good kid. But imagine passing on the opportunity of having a first line of

Caufield - Suzuki - Michkov

I just don't get it

I feel exactly the way you do but its done now lets move on and enjoy Reinbacher.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I like Reinbacher, looks like a good kid. But imagine passing on the opportunity of having a first line of

Caufield - Suzuki - Michkov

I just don't get it

Might have been the smallest line in the NHL. I was thinking if the Habs did draft michkov CC and him would only play together on the pp

 

[Baksfamous112]

8th on Bob’s list. 9th on Elite prospects.

None of the 16 lists posted on Elite prospects had him earlier than 8th. More than half had him 10 and lower.

thats a lot of ignorant people…

Michkov was lower than 5 on zero list.

So David is a reach. Could be a good reach. Could be a bad reach.

Seider was mid to high teens on all lists. He went 6 and things worked out. Reinbacher also wasn’t going lower than 6 to Arizona. I guess their list was bad too.

 

[Wats]

Seider was mid to high teens on all lists. He went 6 and things worked out. Reinbacher also wasn’t going lower than 6 to Arizona. I guess their list was bad too.

I wouldn't really want to compare draft lists with Arizona. People thought drafting Mailloux was dumb, they picked Mitch Miller.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Geez lol. Shane Wright was consensus top 2 last year and he went 4. I don't think the dorks in purple suits from Arizona regret passing on that can't miss player.

The point has been made. Most of hf believes in the michkov hype. Only one way to see how it all plays out.

Wait.

 

[JRichard]

Seider was mid to high teens on all lists. He went 6 and things worked out. Reinbacher also wasn’t going lower than 6 to Arizona. I guess their list was bad too.

As in : could be a good reach.
not sure why you are arguing the reach point.

when you have 16 lists on elite prospect that have him 8th and lower, you can find one list somewhere with David at 6 but its still a reach.

 

[Lt Dan]

Its really too bad people went mental patient over this guy, we could have made some quality Orville Redenbacher jokes

 

[golgoXIII]

HF in a nutshell

Last year Slaf was booo at the draft '' i was ther '' and when he step on the ice for the 1st game he praticly got a standing ovation lollll

 

[jiboy]

Reading this thread from the beginning makes me feel better about the pick

He is the top riser of this draft and he had very solid stats in a strong pro league

I dont feel he was really a reach if we were settled on not picking Michkov

He definately has solid upside to become a very good defenseman , and he is more proven than the other forwards he was picked against

He should be in the NHL quickly

 

[JRichard]

Reading this thread from the beginning makes me feel better about the pick

He is the top riser of this draft and he had very solid stats in a strong pro league

I dont feel he was really a reach if we were settled on not picking Michkov

He definately has solid upside to become a very good defenseman , and he is more proven than the other forwards he was picked against

He should be in the NHL quickly

Quicker than Michkov yes but quicker than Leonard?

Someday we’ll know about the offers from the reported 5 teams who wanted to trade up. Knowing what we know now on the « love fest« between Philly and Michkov, pretty sure Briere offered something to move up.

Nsh looked serious, probably Washington.

 

[Hinterland]

Quicker than Michkov yes but quicker than Leonard?

Someday we’ll know about the offers from the reported 5 teams who wanted to trade up. Knowing what we know now on the « love fest« between Philly and Michkov, pretty sure Briere offered something to move up.

Nsh looked serious, probably Washington.

Why would Philly offer something to trade up knowing that Michkov is on other team's no trade list? Doesn't make sense.

 

[JRichard]

Why would Philly offer something to trade up knowing that Michkov is on other team's no trade list? Doesn't make sense.

Maybe because that no draft list doesnt exist.
And certainly not published.

of course you knew teams drafting 2-3-4-5-6 all had Michkov on no-draft list.
and you knew teams like say Wsh and Nsh were not in talks with teams 2-3-4-5-6 to draft Michkov.

you knew Arizona was 100% on David.

suspense of the draft was the michkov selection, but you knew all along it was going to unfold as it did.

Bravo.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

I get wanting Michkov but imagine being this angry about drafting a big righty that has very real top pair upside . Once this phase runs out and people get tired of wanting to be angry about something and he comes to NA we'll be flooded with posts about how good he is

Anyone who legitimately believes that this future 4/5 defensemen has top pairing upside, beguiled by a late riser's physical tools, is out to lunch. He oozes bust potential.

He is the top riser of this draft and he had very solid stats in a strong pro league

And that's a purely nightmarish reason for serious alarm.

Betting on a late riser gets you Slafkovsky.