D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[Jeune Poulet]

Reinbacher is a solid pick and I am glad we chose him at 5. I'm sure the less knowledeable fans are still shocked but they'll get used to the selection as usual.

I haven't seen anything from any credible source regarding a massive movement of fan hate toward this guy.

Sorry, it was hate messages not death threats. I misspoke. Still crazy, thoug, to be doing that to a teenager.

You're forgiven. You are retweeting cryptic rumors from completely unreliable sources, so it's not surprising that you would come up with your own twist on these made up stories. It checks out.

 

[Jaynki]

Have to think Michkov told Montreal not to draft him. Only explanation here. You don't pass up a generational forward for a guy who won't run a #1 PP.

Calm down the generational etiquette.

 

[AvroArrow]

wonder why 6 teams passed on that

Bedard > Michkov

Carlsson, Fantilli and Smith can all an immediate NHL impact and all play Center, something Michkov cannot do, as he's going to be in Russia til 2026. The gap between them isn't massive and there's value of getting those guys now vs 3 years down the road. Also Columbus has Gaudreau/Laine, Anaheim has Zegras, they wanna start making an impact right away. Elite prospect, fills a position of need and can step into the NHL immediately.

Arizona and Montreal reached big time for Simashev/Reinbacher. Both are fine prospects overall but it's about getting the most value.

Who knows, maybe Reinbacher will be the best player out of his draft class in 3-4 years ? It's always too early to tell, these things change year to year. In 2024 the re-draft is going to look different, then again in 2025, 2030 etc.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

What about all the other selections after Bedard? The facts are that only Bedard was "generational" in this draft. Which, if Michkov was "generational", the same thing would apply for everyone picked between Bedard and Michkov.

The "generational" thing is media and fan hype.

As to what Hughes said, well I'm sure if they had drafted Michkov, he'd have said: "We see him in our top 6 in the future playing an offensive role".

Calm down the generational etiquette.

Michkov is literally a generational talent in terms of what he's accomplished, and the records he's set, prior to his draft.

We already know that NHL general managers are collectively incompetent with the contracts that they throw out to third-liners and rugged defensemen who "play the right way" and drafting records bear that out as well. Just listen to the management group in Montreal speak about their selection of Slafkovsky: "He's a physical specimen" (IE we drafted him for size), or Reinbacher - "we drafted him because we needed right defensemen and he has good character.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Reinbacher is a solid pick and I am glad we chose him at 5. I'm sure the less knowledeable fans are still shocked but they'll get used to the selection as usual.

I haven't seen anything from any credible source regarding a massive movement of fan hate toward this guy.



You're forgiven. You are retweeting cryptic rumors from completely unreliable sources, so it's not surprising that you would come up with your own twist on these made up stories. It checks out.

Ahh ya, I’m sure it never happened. Certainly seems pretty far fetched for the habs fan base.

 

[Jaynki]

Michkov is literally a generational talent. We already know that NHL general managers are collectively incompetent with the contracts that they throw out to third-liners and rugged defensemen who "play the right way" and drafting records bear that out as well. Just listen to the management group in Montreal speak about their selection of Slafkovsky: "He's a physical specimen" (IE we drafted him for size), or Reinbacher - "we drafted him because we needed right defensemen and he has good character.

Michkov is not a generational talent. He is a unidimensional small offensive forward. (Although an elite offensive talent). There is nothing generational here tho. Its also full of question marks regarding his commitment, demeanor and attitude. Let alone the contract.

Slafkovsky was not drafted because he is big for f*** sake, but yes, its part of his skillset, why deny it? What would Ovechkin be without his shot while were at it?

Reinbacher has not been drafted because he is a RD. A top pairing RD is as valuable as a 1C. Reinbacher is right up there with the former best european defenseman. (Dahlin, Heiskanen, Nemec, Jiricek). He was their BPA at 5 and he has a case whether he was your BPA or not. You know you can be both the BPA and an organisational need?

 

[JeffreyLFC]

We will revisit in 3 or 4 years. I have belief that Michkov is the next Kucherov and Philadelphia will do all their best to surround their new king. Top PP ice time, best teammates and leeway to make mistakes. His offensive flair is the reason why he is so highly rated.

I will say though that I would be greatly surprised if Michkov is a complete bust. Not impossible but the talent is surreal.

 

[Hinterland]

Ahh ya, I’m sure it never happened. Certainly seems pretty far fetched for the habs fan base.

Not saying that it didn't happen but this is way overblown. From what I gather it's just the athletic trying to create something out of nothing or very little.

It was also the athletic scammers spreading the fake news of Reinbacher scoring mostly secondary assists which is, of course, completely false.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Very nice top 4 :

Guhle-Reinbacher
Hutson-Barron

 

[Riddum]

It's embarrassing seeing grown men and women lashing out like spoiled brats. Too bad fans can't have their membership revoked because of a terrible lack of maturity.

As bad and embarrassing as it is, it's just normal and pathetic behavior from "fans" of storied franchises.

Whew, all of a sudden the Habs look like geniuses for avoiding Michkov.



(No, I'm not serious.)

That Russian kid must not be very good, to play junior hockey in Poland.

 

[TopC0rner]

Michkov is literally a generational talent in terms of what he's accomplished, and the records he's set, prior to his draft.

Let's assume this is "true" (which I would disagree with), then why wasn't he selected 2nd OV? Why aren't the teams selecting 2 to 4 getting just as much flak? There can't be five generational talent prospects in one draft... A generational talent would be once or twice a generation, wouldn't it?

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I think Reinbacher is a very good #5 overall. I also don't think they could have traded down and still got Reinbacher, maybe they knew Arizona was gonna pick a Dman and the top one was Reinbacher.
If you aren't going for Michkov it comes down to Leonard vs Reinbacher. A very good 6'2 RD vs a very good 6'0 C.

 

[SENStastic]

Kent Hughes on David Reinbacher's ceiling: "Probably a 2D. I'm not sure he's gonna run a first powerplay in the NHL."​

Oof why on earth would he come out and say that publicly right now even if its what he believes privately. Its like he's pouring more gasoline into the fire given the huge backlash they've been getting from the fanbase. That's just terrible PR management.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Be better people. This is disgusting.


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It reminds me of when the Knicks drafted Porzingis.

Everyone was like who the f*** is this guy?

He ended up becoming a fan favorite in no time.

I don't buy that he's getting death threats though, that is absurd. Why would Habs fans want our new best prospect to die?

 

[Mersss]

I think Reinbacher is a very good #5 overall. I also don't think they could have traded down and still got Reinbacher, maybe they knew Arizona was gonna pick a Dman and the top one was Reinbacher.
If you aren't going for Michkov it comes down to Leonard vs Reinbacher. A very good 6'2 RD vs a very good 6'0 C.

Leonard is a winger

 

[Kraken Jokes]

This whole ordeal highlights why I switched teams when the Kraken came along. The Kraken and their fans might disappoint/embarrass me in the future but at least it's a clean slate right now.

 

[loadie]

Have to think Michkov told Montreal not to draft him. Only explanation here. You don't pass up a generational forward for a guy who won't run a #1 PP.

By saying that he won’t run a #1 PP is probably to try and take pressure off of him. Can you imagine if he said he will run a #1 PP and all of the pressure and expectations that will come from that? It’s awful the amount of backlash he’s been receiving from all of the idiots out there now, I can only imagine what he would be getting if he didn’t pan out as a number one DMan? People need to get their priorities straight before they start trying to run a kid out of town for being selected over another player that comes with some red flags that he doesn’t.
I watched a YouTuber throw his chair around after the selection was made, needless to say I don’t subscribe to this immature clown anymore and never will again

 

[Boxscore]

Michkov is not a generational talent.

You can keep trying to convince yourself of that but it's 100% incorrect. Michkov is a generational talent and when he comes to the NHL he will contend for Rockets annually. This kid is a hair, if that, under Bedard, who is also generational. However, I believe Michkov is on par with Bedard. He was for two years, and outperformed him head-to-head. Then the situation in Russia, and his deal to remain there, started to torpedo his hype. Everyone, including the hockey community, started pushing an anti-Russia narrative that soured people on the thought of drafting Michkov. This is why the hockey community makes the mistakes they do -- they create their own narratives and start believing them.

What Michkov has done at his age is absolutely eye-popping brilliant. He's as impressive as Bedard, McDavid, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, etc. all were at the same age. He has shattered records, and as a kid, absolutely toyed with teams in the 2nd greatest league on the planet. His violent approach to scoring goals is up there with the best ever. His IQ and processing speed is ultra elite. This kid will be a megastar that pulls fans out of their seats on a nightly basis. He has been described by scouts as "Cole Caufield on steroids" and I think he's far better than that. This cat is Sergei Markov with a little Sidney Crosby mixed in.

Quite honestly, the Habs picking Reinbacher is horrible asset management imho. This could be Kotkaniemi x100, considering Michkov (and other high end players) were available. Imho the Canadiens straight up drafted for "need" instead of taking "best player(s) available". In fact, I think Reinbacher might even be the 2nd or 3rd best defenseman in the draft when it all shakes out.

Habs fans have every right to be irate, taking Reinbacher there was awful value. If that was the kid the Habs wanted, they should have traded that pick to Philly for 7 and 22. They would still have gotten Reinbacher and could have picked another defenseman, who could end up better than him, in Gulyayev at 22.

Sure, Reinbacher is a nice player. He also seems like a great kid and it's a shame there is so much disappointment surrounding that pick right now. But the Habs went off-the-board when there was some high-end gamebreakers there and didn't take the best talent available. Unless Reinbacher ends up Larry Robinson -- or at the absolute least, Eric Desjardins -- Canadiens fans will hang this over the club's head for decades.

 

[majormajor]

Habs fans have every right to be irate, taking Reinbacher there was awful value. If that was the kid the Habs wanted, they should have traded that pick to Philly for 7 and 22. They would still have gotten Reinbacher and could have picked another defenseman, who could end up better than him, in Gulyayev at 22.

This ignorant take needs to get stamped out of existence. Reinbacher was likely gone at #6.

I can't believe people are so surprised by the pick. He was widely mocked in this range, we have reports of several teams wanting him here. And not a reach on talent, he looks like a top pair D.

 

[dm1371]

I like Reinbacher, looks like a good kid. But imagine passing on the opportunity of having a first line of

Caufield - Suzuki - Michkov

I just don't get it

 

[JRichard]

This ignorant take needs to get stamped out of existence. Reinbacher was likely gone at #6.

I can't believe people are so surprised by the pick. He was widely mocked in this range, we have reports of several teams wanting him here. And not a reach on talent, he looks like a top pair D.

8th on Bob’s list. 9th on Elite prospects.

None of the 16 lists posted on Elite prospects had him earlier than 8th. More than half had him 10 and lower.

thats a lot of ignorant people…

Michkov was lower than 5 on zero list.

So David is a reach. Could be a good reach. Could be a bad reach.

 

[majormajor]

8th on Bob’s list. 9th on Elite prospects.

None of the 16 lists posted on Elite prospects had him earlier than 8th. More than half had him 10 and lower.

thats a lot of ignorant people…

Michkov was lower than 5 on zero list.

So David is a reach. Could be a good reach. Could be a bad reach.

8th on Bob's list is not a reach at #5. A reach is when you get someone about ten spots higher than expected, like Seider. This isn't a Seider type surprise. You must have been hiding in a cave to not see this coming.

 

[JRichard]

8th on Bob's list is not a reach at #5. A reach is when you get someone about ten spots higher than expected, like Seider. This isn't a Seider type surprise. You must have been hiding in a cave to not see this coming.

10 spots higher… so no top 10 pick can be called a reach. Convenient definition.

Cave comment is old. Be better.

Not one single list, cave or not, had him at 5. Zero.

 

[majormajor]

10 spots higher… so no top 10 pick can be called a reach. Convenient definition.

Well we need a definition that excludes moving up three spots from Bob's list (3!).

In a world where every club has their own very different list, that's nothing.

 

[Garnet76]

Michkov is not a generational talent. He is a unidimensional small offensive forward. (Although an elite offensive talent). There is nothing generational here tho. Its also full of question marks regarding his commitment, demeanor and attitude. Let alone the contract.

Slafkovsky was not drafted because he is big for f*** sake, but yes, its part of his skillset, why deny it? What would Ovechkin be without his shot while were at it?

Reinbacher has not been drafted because he is a RD. A top pairing RD is as valuable as a 1C. Reinbacher is right up there with the former best european defenseman. (Dahlin, Heiskanen, Nemec, Jiricek). He was their BPA at 5 and he has a case whether he was your BPA or not. You know you can be both the BPA and an organisational need?

Question than, if Reinbacher was a LHD would he have still been picked at 5? If the answer is no than it was a pick for need. Also if you look at the rest of the Habs draft board they clearly picked for need. It's not a strategy I would use in a rebuild but that doesn't mean it won't work in my opinion. Reinbacher isn't going to hurt the club but how much he will help is the unknown.