Its rather lo resolution to compare Seider and Reinbacher. Yes they are both European, however they aren't overly similar players. I see Reinbacher as having a Slavin trajectory which is well worth a mid to early 1st.
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GermanSpitfire
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When it comes to prospects the talent level of Reinbacher and Carlsson, being a late birthday doesn‘t matter in the grand scheme of things, their talent level transcends nitpicking the year they were born.
If you’re talking about a later round selection, yeah - it’s a factor in drafting a player as it gives more runway for the player to develop. But not potential top-10 picks like Carlsson and Reinbacher.
Chris Faber interviewed Reinbacher last week and even Reinbacher said it’s flattering to get compared to Seider but they play the game differently.
Besides winning the championship in an important role Seider was the youngest ever rookie of the year in Germany and broke records also with the national team, not sure what more he could have achieved.
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Write-up (with grades from 1/unacceptable to 9/exceptional) on David Reinbacher by Bernd Freimüller, former Atlanta Thrashers scout:
Skating:
"Reinbacher is already an excellent skater (and not just 'for his size') and will of course continue to gain leg strength in the years to come. Skating comes easy for him and even at the end of his shifts there's no observable drop in quality. Gets away and out of tight situations quickly, can explode from the defensive zone and carry the puck forward.
Excellent transition from forward to backward skating. Creates separation with quick, small steps, especially moving backwards, and thus offers passing options for his teammates. Can play the entire blue line on the powerplay, powerful and quick moves from the boards to the center and back."
Acceleration, agility and speed allow him to play on large areas of the ice and quickly get back in position. When possession is lost in the offensive zone, he can catch up with or at least slow down breakaways and odd man rushes. Plays a narrow gap, rather too aggressive than too far from the man – his footwork once again allows him to make corrections at any time."
NHL upside: 8.5
With the puck
"Can move the puck the other way quickly, carry it out under pressure and drive the game forward with passes. Can play through passes to breaking forwards as well as cross passes in order to pull opponent's structure apart. His passes are sharp and accurate. Prefers to pass tape-on-tape than to open space.
Creates space for himself with head fakes and small dekes. On the powerplay he has the composure and calmness to wait for shooting lines to open up and to find better angles for himself and his teammates. Can serve both halfwalls equally. Often activates from the blue line to the faceoff circle, occasionally even beyond. Active footwork, but not constantly roving like Cale Makar.
His shot is on target and easy to deflect, but is not necessarily his greatest strength as of now. His points mostly come from puckmoving, assists to the boards, or when he finds gaps and attacks them. His offensive potential at the NHL level could lie between David Jiricek (bomb of a shot) and Simon Nemec (clever puck mover)."
NHL upside: 8
Hockey sense
"Processes the game like a 35-year-old veteran. If you don't get the information he's just 18 in advance, you couldn't possible spot it on the ice. Absolutely no panic in his game, is a 'head-up guy' who is isn't surprised by any development in the game. In case he or a teammate makes a mistake, he doesn't tend to run wild or chase the puck, but instead he drifts to the middle of the ice and doesn't open additional holes.
Can take risks with the puck without getting burned, excellent at turning away from forecheckers under pressure. Puck coverage and puck managment under pressure is well above average. Neither a riverboat gambler with the puck nor a conservative defender, carries the puck or follows offensive rushes when opportunity knocks."
NHL upside: 8.5
Physical play
"Probably won't become a punishing D man, but a very effective two-way defenceman. Defends primarily with footwork and a long, very quick stick. Has the power to block an opponent's torso with one hand and go for the puck with the other hand. Wins pucks this way and can pass them quickly from tight positions and through the small spaces between opponent and boards. Occasionally a little off balance when he's poke checking too actively. Rather beats opponents with many stick lifts than with excessive physical effort.
Doesn't seek open ice hits, but is very effective at closing lanes, can suffocate opponents along the board this way. Footwork and stickwork do the defensive work and allow him to evade clashes with players that are still physically stronger. Reduces and eliminates small gaps to opponents with footwork or active stick.
Currently listed at 1.89 meters (6.2 feet) and 85 kilos (187 pounds), but has just gone through another growth spurt. Has potential for 6.3/200 defender."
NHL upside: 7.5
Leadership qualities
"Already a leading player with both his club and the national team, Austria's most well-rounded defender. Able to take a lot of ice time, doesn't shy away from it and is never overwhelmed by the demands. Currently not used on the PK by Team Austria, but in all other situations and first choice on powerplay.
Off the ice an excellent mix of modesty and confidence in his qualities. When talking with him longtime NHL player Ladislav Smid at the same age came to my mind. Has a hockey background (father and older brother also played), is very clear in his demeanor and game, much more mature off and on the ice than the average 18 year old.
Should gradually grow into leadership roles at the NHL level as well, but primarily through contributions on the ice. Perhaps not a vocal leader, but a 'leader by example.'"
NHL upside: 8
NHL potential
"Impact player, has some exceptional qualities that allow him to decide games for his team. Plays in all game situations and has a positive impact. Absent major injuries or setbacks and under normal development, Reinbacher has the potential to be a top two defender on an NHL team and be a fixture on the PP (first or second pairing, depending on team depth).
Doesn't have big holes in his game and checks all the boxes: height, skating, game intelligence, play with the puck and leadership. Reminds of similar types of players that mainly Sweden produced over the years.
Right-handed shooter and late 2004 born. If Jiricek and Nemec would be in the same draft, that would be his neighbourhood. Jiricek brings more physical punch and shooting power, but Nemec would perhaps be a good comparison."
Original source in German: David Reinbacher: So hoch ist das NHL-Potential des ÖEHV-Juwels
Skating:
"Reinbacher is already an excellent skater (and not just 'for his size') and will of course continue to gain leg strength in the years to come. Skating comes easy for him and even at the end of his shifts there's no observable drop in quality. Gets away and out of tight situations quickly, can explode from the defensive zone and carry the puck forward.
Excellent transition from forward to backward skating. Creates separation with quick, small steps, especially moving backwards, and thus offers passing options for his teammates. Can play the entire blue line on the powerplay, powerful and quick moves from the boards to the center and back."
Acceleration, agility and speed allow him to play on large areas of the ice and quickly get back in position. When possession is lost in the offensive zone, he can catch up with or at least slow down breakaways and odd man rushes. Plays a narrow gap, rather too aggressive than too far from the man – his footwork once again allows him to make corrections at any time."
NHL upside: 8.5
With the puck
"Can move the puck the other way quickly, carry it out under pressure and drive the game forward with passes. Can play through passes to breaking forwards as well as cross passes in order to pull opponent's structure apart. His passes are sharp and accurate. Prefers to pass tape-on-tape than to open space.
Creates space for himself with head fakes and small dekes. On the powerplay he has the composure and calmness to wait for shooting lines to open up and to find better angles for himself and his teammates. Can serve both halfwalls equally. Often activates from the blue line to the faceoff circle, occasionally even beyond. Active footwork, but not constantly roving like Cale Makar.
His shot is on target and easy to deflect, but is not necessarily his greatest strength as of now. His points mostly come from puckmoving, assists to the boards, or when he finds gaps and attacks them. His offensive potential at the NHL level could lie between David Jiricek (bomb of a shot) and Simon Nemec (clever puck mover)."
NHL upside: 8
Hockey sense
"Processes the game like a 35-year-old veteran. If you don't get the information he's just 18 in advance, you couldn't possible spot it on the ice. Absolutely no panic in his game, is a 'head-up guy' who is isn't surprised by any development in the game. In case he or a teammate makes a mistake, he doesn't tend to run wild or chase the puck, but instead he drifts to the middle of the ice and doesn't open additional holes.
Can take risks with the puck without getting burned, excellent at turning away from forecheckers under pressure. Puck coverage and puck managment under pressure is well above average. Neither a riverboat gambler with the puck nor a conservative defender, carries the puck or follows offensive rushes when opportunity knocks."
NHL upside: 8.5
Physical play
"Probably won't become a punishing D man, but a very effective two-way defenceman. Defends primarily with footwork and a long, very quick stick. Has the power to block an opponent's torso with one hand and go for the puck with the other hand. Wins pucks this way and can pass them quickly from tight positions and through the small spaces between opponent and boards. Occasionally a little off balance when he's poke checking too actively. Rather beats opponents with many stick lifts than with excessive physical effort.
Doesn't seek open ice hits, but is very effective at closing lanes, can suffocate opponents along the board this way. Footwork and stickwork do the defensive work and allow him to evade clashes with players that are still physically stronger. Reduces and eliminates small gaps to opponents with footwork or active stick.
Currently listed at 1.89 meters (6.2 feet) and 85 kilos (187 pounds), but has just gone through another growth spurt. Has potential for 6.3/200 defender."
NHL upside: 7.5
Leadership qualities
"Already a leading player with both his club and the national team, Austria's most well-rounded defender. Able to take a lot of ice time, doesn't shy away from it and is never overwhelmed by the demands. Currently not used on the PK by Team Austria, but in all other situations and first choice on powerplay.
Off the ice an excellent mix of modesty and confidence in his qualities. When talking with him longtime NHL player Ladislav Smid at the same age came to my mind. Has a hockey background (father and older brother also played), is very clear in his demeanor and game, much more mature off and on the ice than the average 18 year old.
Should gradually grow into leadership roles at the NHL level as well, but primarily through contributions on the ice. Perhaps not a vocal leader, but a 'leader by example.'"
NHL upside: 8
NHL potential
"Impact player, has some exceptional qualities that allow him to decide games for his team. Plays in all game situations and has a positive impact. Absent major injuries or setbacks and under normal development, Reinbacher has the potential to be a top two defender on an NHL team and be a fixture on the PP (first or second pairing, depending on team depth).
Doesn't have big holes in his game and checks all the boxes: height, skating, game intelligence, play with the puck and leadership. Reminds of similar types of players that mainly Sweden produced over the years.
Right-handed shooter and late 2004 born. If Jiricek and Nemec would be in the same draft, that would be his neighbourhood. Jiricek brings more physical punch and shooting power, but Nemec would perhaps be a good comparison."
Original source in German: David Reinbacher: So hoch ist das NHL-Potential des ÖEHV-Juwels
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Very accurate scouting report, it describes the player very well, thx for sharing!
Doug Prishpreed
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Hard to trust a scouting report that barely mentions a single thing that he needs to work on, and keeps comparing him to two completely different players just because they were in last year's draft.
They seem like reasonable comparisons. Reinbacher is kind of a mid-point between those guys, if Jiricek is on the physical end of the spectrum and Nemec is on the cerebral end of the spectrum. At least he didn't use the Seider comparison like everyone else.
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Reinbacher needs to work on his game against the puck and he needs to hit the gym to get bigger/stronger. That's what Reinbacher says himself.
Regarding his playing style, Reinbacher is modelling his game after Roman Josi.
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There is no glaring weakness in his game, kid is solid in all facets of the game, what makes him so attractive. Of course, as any 18 yrs old, kid still needs to get better, but everything is there.
I don’t think I’ve heard of a single player who models his game after an NHL player and actually does play like said NHL player.
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Stylewise they're pretty similar actually. Reinbacher doesn't quite have Josi's skating. Reinbacher is a great skater but Josi is an amazing skater for his size. Not sure Reinbacher is ever gonna get there. On the other hand, Reinbacher is a bit more aggressive, gritty and physical. Other than that they're very similar. Both of them are elite puckmovers which is what they excel at. Also, both of them love to join the rush.
GermanSpitfire
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Agents advise their clients to say they model their games around the best players in the league, don‘t want a player saying they model their game after Tyler Motte lol
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Yeah but Reinbacher also said that wants to get drafted by Nashville because he'd love to play with Josi. Could be wrong but to me it didn't seem like he just picked a random star player's name.
Doug Prishpreed
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GMs always talk about how they love a player who is able to do an honest and accurate assessment, so I'm not sure this is great advice.
Players should be realistic about themselves so GMs don't think they're out to lunch, or don't understand how much work needs to be done to even be a Tyler Motte.
hardly seems random that prospect playing in Swiss league says he models his game after greatest Swiss player.
IS he going top 10?
No chance he gets past the Canucks at 11.
I can also see the Canucks trading up a couple of spots to get him.
No chance he gets past the Canucks at 11.
I can also see the Canucks trading up a couple of spots to get him.
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i googled him. he seems quite impressive. but i don't think he ever won norris trophy.
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At the time, Swiss players didn't play in the NHL. This is a very recent movement. 30 years ago, hardly anybody in Switzerland even knew of the NHL's existance so players had exactly zero desire to play there. In 1995, Pauli Jaks was the first Swiss player to play in the NHL. There was Ken Baumgartner 8 years earlier but he's born in Canada and barely ever lived or played in Switzerland.
Also, even if Torriani did play NHL he still couldn't have won the Norris because firstly he was a forward and secondly he retired before Red Kelly won the 1st ever awarded Norris trophy in 1953.
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