D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[Hinterland]

yeah I get the need for a RHD, but what is Reinbacher? is he a Pecse ceiling? or can he be a Seider? I don't see the dynamism of Seider. A lot of teams cannot afford to draft a defensive #3 with a top 10 pick in a deep draft, also with Vancouver out of top 10, I dont see any team dying for a Reinbacher over the slick forwards, if Arizona likes someone else, he may slip.

Reinbacher outscored all current European NHL defenders in their draft year. The only one posting similar numbers was Rasmus Dahlin. Moritz Seider played less and scored a lot less...in a worse league.

As said above development is never linear and Reinbacher doesn't have Seider's physicality or strength on the puck but he's a better, more dynamic skater and has better passing and vision. You never know how that all translates to the NHL but Reinbacher's draft season was pretty unheard of for defense prospects drafted out of Europe.

 

[Hinterland]

If you're going to push ASP up the draft boards for that performance, you probably shouldn't be making a list for your team.

I'll eat a hat if ASP goes before Reinbacher.

Yeah. That WJC18 tournament is pretty irrelevant for the top draft prospects. The best Canadians are never there and potential 1st rounders usually play vs better/older players at club level. Sandin-Pellikka is gonna go in the 1st round based on his upside alone. He should have played better in the SHL in order to go earlier in the draft. Therefore, certain red flags will remain no matter how he plays vs mostly random 17 year olds these days. Certain teams are gonna pass on him based on his lack of size and underwhelming SHL games but he's gonna go early enough based on talent alone.

Reinbacher on the other hand has a chance to impress NHL teams should he do well in the WC playing on a weak Austrian team.

 

[Nabrules]

As draft time approaches I’m sure he goes top 8.

Did anyone catch his first game at the men’s world championship? How did he look?

 

[pgfan66]

He's a better player in his draft year than Seider was in his.

Lol

 

[WayneGretzky]

As draft time approaches I’m sure he goes top 8.

Did anyone catch his first game at the men’s world championship? How did he look?

Only 1 game into the tournament, I’m sure he’s just getting his feet under him…but I’m still not seeing what I need to be…he doesn’t look like a top 10 pick to me, some drafts…maybe, but not in this draft.

I see him likely being the first dman taken, but at 11 or 12 at the earliest, and even that’s a reach with some of the talented forwards teams will have to pass on.

Zero chance Arizona uses their first of two top 12 picks on a D, maybe their pick at 12, but 6 will be a forward.

 

[Nabrules]

Only 1 game into the tournament, I’m sure he’s just getting his feet under him…but I’m still not seeing what I need to be…he doesn’t look like a top 10 pick to me, some drafts…maybe, but not in this draft.

I see him likely being the first dman taken, but at 11 or 12 at the earliest, and even that’s a reach with some of the talented forwards teams will have to pass on.

Zero chance Arizona uses their first of two top 12 picks on a D, maybe their pick at 12, but 6 will be a forward.

Totally understand what you mean! Don’t think he projects as a true number 1 dman but if a team thinks he can anchor a top pair, I’m sure he’ll go top 10 though. Guess we’ll see!

 

[Kcoyote3]

He has looked really comfortable today.

 

[vildurson]

Took rough hip check from Sandin at the end of second period in todays game. Clean one from Sandin but Reinbacher did not expect it at all. Hope he is okay.

 

[Jacob]

He looked good in the shifts I caught. Doesn’t seem to be playing much- didn’t see him PK at all and on 2nd PP unit. But pretty much every 5-on-5 shift he was making good plays.

 

[WayneGretzky]

Tough break, hopefully he’s able to come back for the tournament if not the 3rd period.

I wish he was playing more. He made a nice defensive play in his limited role and hasn’t made any egregious errors, looks to be what many of us have been saying…likely a good 2nd pairing, two way guy, upside is a really good shutdown #2.

Kind of reminds me of Kaiden Guhle, but on the opposite side.

 

[Hinterland]

I think I read somewhere that he was banged up and questionable to even play the tournament. If true, that might explain the low TOI.

 

[Jacob]

Reminds me of Fowler, but righty.

 

[Lavar Ball]

Just announced he won't return, heading to get checked out at hospital

 

[WayneGretzky]

Update is that he’s on his way to the hospital, not the best news. Hopefully it’s just precautionary

 

[Hockeyfrilla]

 

[Hinterland]

Not at all a fan of Sandin and too bad a probably already banged up Reinbacher seems to be hurt as a result but man...that's a very nice hipcheck. Love to see it as it seems to disappear more and more. I grew up watching guys like Keith Ballard. Good memories.

 

[wetcoast]

Lol

It's not really a hot take at the actual time of the draft as Seider is one of those picks that has developed exponentially since he was drafted and was a huge surprise on draft day.

That being said Seider is the poster boy for that draft and as a whole the draft class has really underperformed to where I thought it would be but maybe some will mature later.

 

[2014nyr]

beauty hipcheck but hope that isn't anything major. he lands hard with that left leg in an awkward position and his comes down on that side, with it pinned in that position, before getting it out from under him. sometimes those weird plays with your knee are really painful at first which is scary but ends up being nothing. does sound concerning he was taken to the hospital tho. not sure if thats more common in europe...pretty rare in the nhl to be taken during a game.

 

[pgfan66]

It's not really a hot take at the actual time of the draft as Seider is one of those picks that has developed exponentially since he was drafted and was a huge surprise on draft day.

That being said Seider is the poster boy for that draft and as a whole the draft class has really underperformed to where I thought it would be but maybe some will mature later.

Seider went higher than anyone anticipated but that doesn’t mean he was a worse player than Reinbacher in his draft year. Seider was a full-time pro with a high-end team, played at the men’s worlds and world juniors – the same as Reinbacher. Seider was a near-unanimous top-20 pick and a high-end prospect.

The thing is, while they have some big differences, there are also similarities. So now prospect watchers see Reinbacher, a big German-speaking right-shot D playing pro in Europe, and go “hey look, he’s the next Seider”. While there were multiple strong D options in Seider’s draft – even though none of them developed like he did – Reinbacher is the consensus top D, which means he’ll be ranked much higher. Despite all that, he’s still ranked anywhere from 8 to 25 or something.

 

[MrRuin]

News in austrian media is that no ligaments in the knee have been torn and he could even possibly return to play in the tournament. Got to wait and see, give it a day or two. 99% not gonna play against Denmark. So it could have been worse I guess.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Really shameful and hope he gets back.

He was unreal in his two games and Austria should have been playing him more.

Bad things don't happen when he's on the ice. His size, skating ability and defensive stick are all wonderful to watch in concert. Offensively he has no panic with the puck, able to escape pressure and find the next play. Jumps into the rush and gets shots through to the net.

I'd be surprised if he made it beyond the top 8. A distinct possibility at 5 or 6.

 

[Howe Elbows 9]

News in austrian media is that no ligaments in the knee have been torn and he could even possibly return to play in the tournament. Got to wait and see, give it a day or two. 99% not gonna play against Denmark. So it could have been worse I guess.

If I were the coach of the Austrian team (and Reinbacher feels ready to return), I'd hope for a return either for the game against Germany (May 19) or Hungary (May 22).

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Not at all a fan of Sandin and too bad a probably already banged up Reinbacher seems to be hurt as a result but man...that's a very nice hipcheck. Love to see it as it seems to disappear more and more. I grew up watching guys like Keith Ballard. Good memories.

It was a nice check, almost decapitated his d partner though

 

[Hinterland]

Seider went higher than anyone anticipated but that doesn’t mean he was a worse player than Reinbacher in his draft year. Seider was a full-time pro with a high-end team, played at the men’s worlds and world juniors – the same as Reinbacher. Seider was a near-unanimous top-20 pick and a high-end prospect.

The thing is, while they have some big differences, there are also similarities. So now prospect watchers see Reinbacher, a big German-speaking right-shot D playing pro in Europe, and go “hey look, he’s the next Seider”. While there were multiple strong D options in Seider’s draft – even though none of them developed like he did – Reinbacher is the consensus top D, which means he’ll be ranked much higher. Despite all that, he’s still ranked anywhere from 8 to 25 or something.

They're different in style but Reinbacher is clearly a much better player now than Seider was in his draft year. As I said before, drafted out of Europe, the lone comparable player in terms of where he was at the draft is Rasmus Dahlin. Seider was not that good. He was worse by any metrics and that's playing on a title winning team in a worse league. Reinbacher played on a bad team (that just got promoted) in one of Europe's top leagues.

That says nothing about potential of course. Development is never linear and there's no guarantee Reinbacher is gonna develop the way Seider did. However, you can't claim that Seider was even close from Reinbacher ahead of the draft. He wasn't. As I mentioned I did look into this and among active NHL defenders the only comparable drafted out of Europe is Rasmus Dahlin. Everybody else did not have that kind of an impact at the highest European level in their draft year. Doesn't mean that Dahlin and Reinbacher are gonna have better careers than all other Europeans out there but they sure had pretty special draft years.

 

[Wats]

Good hit, looks like he got hurt when hitting the ice.