D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[GermanSpitfire]

Came to post this.

Cue the hype. EP are low on Reinbacher and even they can't make him sound like anything else than a blue-chipper.

For prospects like Reinbacher it takes a while for the scouting world as a whole to catch up to these guys as they’re not in leagues that that amateur scouts check regularly.

Things have really taken off since the WJC, and Kloten games were must see hockey for scouts.

 

[Playmaker09]

Jiricek > Reinbacher > Nemec > Mintyukov > Korchinski

I'd have Nemec above Reinbacher.

There's a large gap in vision and puck skills that's greater than any advantage Reinbacher has on the defensive end.

 

[Mrb1p]

How does he rank against the top half of the dmen in last year's draft? (I'm thinking Nemec, Jiricek, Korchincki, Mintyukov)

Jiricek = Nemec = Reinbacher => Mintyukov > Korchinski

Thats how I would rank them overall, to me Korchinski isn't really in that group, even if I warmed up to him this year.

I'd have Nemec above Reinbacher.

There's a large gap in vision and puck skills that's greater than any advantage Reinbacher has on the defensive end.

While Nemec is evidently a better puckhandler and has better vision, Reinbacher compensates quite heavily with his ability to get shot through and the ability to just hammer pucks that Nemec does not have. His tools are greater than Nemec, Nemec just does more with his superior vision, overall though, the result is gonna be the same.

 

[BCNate]

AZ would be my bet if the draft order finished how it is today based on standings:

CBJ- Bedard
CHI- Fantilli
ANH- Carlsson
SJS- Michkov
MTL- Smith
ARI- Reinbacher
PHI- Leonard
WAS- Yager
VAN- Moore
STL- Benson
DET- Dvorsky

I'd be surprised to see Benson go that low, Canucks would take him for sure if he were available at 9.

I like where you have Leonard, I expect him to go higher than most.

 

[Hinterland]

Much of this is bullshit though. I haven't noticed Reinbacher having better vision, being better on breakouts passes after the WJC compared to before. Why would he? That's just bollox. They might as well just admit that they only started watching him after the WJC.

Also, I really love Seider. Great player and I agree he's more physical and a better puckhandler than Reinbacher. He's not a better skater though. He doesn't have to be because he's bigger but still. That's a bullshit take.

 

[Hinterland]

Jiricek = Nemec = Reinbacher => Mintyukov > Korchinski

Thats how I would rank them overall, to me Korchinski isn't really in that group, even if I warmed up to him this year.

While Nemec is evidently a better puckhandler and has better vision, Reinbacher compensates quite heavily with his ability to get shot through and the ability to just hammer pucks that Nemec does not have. His tools are greater than Nemec, Nemec just does more with his superior vision, overall though, the result is gonna be the same.

I like Nemec and I agree he's much more confident with the puck on his stick but I wouldn't discount Reinbacher's vision. It's actually one of his strengths and one of the main reasons why he's so effective, particularly on zone exits. He'll find his teammates in any situation and even if there's little to no space. His stretch passes are great as well.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Much of this is bullshit though. I haven't noticed Reinbacher having better vision, being better on breakouts passes after the WJC compared to before. Why would he? That's just bollox. They might as well just admit that they only started watching him after the WJC.

Also, I really love Seider. Great player and I agree he's more physical and a better puckhandler than Reinbacher. He's not a better skater though. He doesn't have to be because he's bigger but still. That's a bullshit take.

I don’t disagree.

Just nice he’s getting the praise he has deserved all year - those of us have known all of this since EARLY in the season.

 

[Mrb1p]

Much of this is bullshit though. I haven't noticed Reinbacher having better vision, being better on breakouts passes after the WJC compared to before. Why would he? That's just bollox. They might as well just admit that they only started watching him after the WJC.

Also, I really love Seider. Great player and I agree he's more physical and a better puckhandler than Reinbacher. He's not a better skater though. He doesn't have to be because he's bigger but still. That's a bullshit take.

Thats just them trying to cover up their lack of scouting chops and their lack of early viewings. I do see him being more confident, but thats just normal player growth through a season.

I like Nemec and I agree he's much more confident with the puck on his stick but I wouldn't discount Reinbacher's vision. It's actually one of his strengths and one of the main reasons why he's so effective, particularly on zone exits. He'll find his teammates in any situation and even if there's little to no space. His stretch passes are great as well.

I see Nemec as the clear better player vision wise in the Ozone, he's just more creative. It's fine though, Reinbacher can produce similar results in other way's.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

Jiricek > Reinbacher > Nemec > Mintyukov > Korchinski

I'm surprised you have Nemec 3rd.

 

[samsagat]

If Habs fall off the top 5 because of the lottery, I wouldn't be surprise if they select him with the 6th or 7th pick.

 

[jfhabs]

I'd have Nemec above Reinbacher.

There's a large gap in vision and puck skills that's greater than any advantage Reinbacher has on the defensive end.

That might not be false, but I prefer Reinbacher's shot.
He's more willingly using it too.
Large gap might be a bit pushing it as Reinbacher's vision and IQ aren't bad at all.
Don't want to start a debate, but NLA is a tougher league then the Slovak Extraliga.

I'm referring to their draft year and WJC play.
I haven't watched any Utica Comet games this year lol

Jiricek > Reinbacher > Nemec > Mintyukov > Korchinski

Is that in their respective draft year or right now?

 

[Kevin Musto]

Is that in their respective draft year or right now?

Both.

I don't think any of the D have changed based on where I had them last year.

 

[DatDude44]

AZ would be my bet if the draft order finished how it is today based on standings:

CBJ- Bedard
CHI- Fantilli
ANH- Carlsson
SJS- Michkov
MTL- Smith
ARI- Reinbacher
PHI- Leonard
WAS- Yager
VAN- Moore
STL- Benson
DET- Dvorsky

If my blues got benson at 10 I’d be through the roof….that said, I’m dying for Reinbacher

 

[samsagat]

Hard to make a hierarchy between Reinbacher, Nemec and Jiricek because well, they're 17 to 19 yo kids.

But personally, at the end of the day I think Nemec will be the better of the 3.

He might have less of a physical hedge, but he has more of a cerebral approach to his game, which could make him a defenseman that will have a greater career.

Both Jiricek and Reinbacher are complete defenseman, physical guys with a good shot. Both play good defense but I think Nemecs' smartness will make him more of a minute muncher.

He was 2nd on his AHL team (-9 total) with +13 at 18 yo, he's pretty mature.
He was a steady Eddy both in terms of global play and progression.

Plus defensemen with such a high hockey IQ tend to have longer careers.

Andrei Markov, Niklas Lidstrom, etc . style.

P.S.: in my mind Jiricek and Reinbacher are +/- even. Both excellent defensive prospects.

As I said earlier in this subject, if Habs fall out of the top 5 because of the lottery, I would be very happy with Reinbacher at 6th or 7th overall.

 

[Hinterland]

Hard to make a hierarchy between Reinbacher, Nemec and Jiricek because well, they're 17 to 19 yo kids.

But personally, at the end of the day I think Nemec will be the better of the 3.

He might have less of a physical hedge, but he has more of a cerebral approach to his game, which could make him a defenseman that will have a greater career.

Both Jiricek and Reinbacher are complete defenseman, physical guys with a good shot. Both play good defense but I think Nemecs' smartness will make him more of a minute muncher.

He was 2nd on his AHL team (-9 total) with +13 at 18 yo, he's pretty mature.
He was a steady Eddy both in terms of global play and progression.

Plus defensemen with such a high hockey IQ tend to have longer careers.

Andrei Markov, Niklas Lidstrom, etc . style.

P.S.: in my mind Jiricek and Reinbacher are +/- even. Both excellent defensive prospects.

As I said earlier in this subject, if Habs fall out of the top 5 because of the lottery, I would be very happy with Reinbacher at 6th or 7th overall.

All three are great prospects but have different strengths. I actually think Reinbacher is the smartest of the three. He's got the best vision. He has to because he's not nearly as strong on the puck as Nemec. Nemec is by far the most dangerous with the puck on his stick. He can make things happen. Very confident with the puck while Reinbacher likes to keep things simple. You hardly ever see Reinbacher shield the puck like Nemec or trying to beat the opposition with the puck on his stick. What Reinbacher is very good at is finding passing lanes and passing options quickly. Takes a lot of vision and hockey IQ to do that. You don't see him do a lot of fancy stuff but even his no look passes are connecting far more often than not and he can also make quick plays after turning. Reinbacher is also very good at identifying danger areas when without the puck but his own team in possession. He's always available when needed and he'll even crash the net or park in the slot if he gets a chance.
Jiricek is by far the most physical of the three and also clearly the most solid against the puck as we speak. I like stay at home defenseman a lot so if I get to pick I'd take Jiricek every day of the week but that's more of a personal preference.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

All three are great prospects but have different strengths. I actually think Reinbacher is the smartest of the three. He's got the best vision. He has to because he's not nearly as strong on the puck as Nemec. Nemec is by far the most dangerous with the puck on his stick. He can make things happen. Very confident with the puck while Reinbacher likes to keep things simple. You hardly ever see Reinbacher shield the puck like Nemec or trying to beat the opposition with the puck on his stick. What Reinbacher is very good at is finding passing lanes and passing options quickly. Takes a lot of vision and hockey IQ to do that. You don't see him do a lot of fancy stuff but even his no look passes are connecting far more often than not and he can also make quick plays after turning. Reinbacher is also very good at identifying danger areas when without the puck but his own team in possession. He's always available when needed and he'll even crash the net or park in the slot if he gets a chance.
Jiricek is by far the most physical of the three and also clearly the most solid against the puck as we speak. I like stay at home defenseman a lot so if I get to pick I'd take Jiricek every day of the week but that's more of a personal preference.

Imagine thinking that Jiricek stay at home defenseman LMAO.

 

[jj cale]

Reinbachers the first d-man off the board this draft.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Guys and girls do you think that he can reach the same impact of Moritz Seider?

 

[Kevin Musto]

Guys and girls do you think that he can reach the same impact of Moritz Seider?

He's a better player in his draft year than Seider was in his.

Development isn't linear, but yes I see potential for Reinbacher to have the same kind of impact.

 

[mc1laren]

After ASP's first game at the IIHF World Juniors and his 5 points, he might make a push being the first defenseman off the board.

For Vancouver, either ASP or Reinbacher would do wonders to fill up our defensive prospect cupboards.

 

[Raistlin]

recency bias would put ASP up there in top 12. A lot of scouts think that none of the D deserves to be in the top 10 this year though, the forwards are a clear cut above the rest.

 

[LeProspector]

Not a massuve fan of either, but you can’t see one game at the u18’s and think “yeah, this guys is on par with this guy”

for what it’s worth, the best defender in this draft will end up being Tom Willander

 

[WeThreeKings]

After ASP's first game at the IIHF World Juniors and his 5 points, he might make a push being the first defenseman off the board.

For Vancouver, either ASP or Reinbacher would do wonders to fill up our defensive prospect cupboards.

If you're going to push ASP up the draft boards for that performance, you probably shouldn't be making a list for your team.

I'll eat a hat if ASP goes before Reinbacher.

 

[57special]

recency bias would put ASP up there in top 12. A lot of scouts think that none of the D deserves to be in the top 10 this year though, the forwards are a clear cut above the rest.

I think that you'll find that view has changed. GM's are always interested in top 4 Dmen with top 2/3 potential, and a lot of the forwards after the top 4-5 have question marks about either their size, skating, or offensive potential. Reinbacker clearly going top 10 at a minimum, unless something changes between now and the draft.

I find most wannabe scouts overvalue forwards, especially forwards that put up points in junior, and undervalue Dmen.

 

[Raistlin]

I think that you'll find that view has changed. GM's are always interested in top 4 Dmen with top 2/3 potential, and a lot of the forwards after the top 4-5 have question marks about either their size, skating, or offensive potential. Reinbacker clearly going top 10 at a minimum, unless something changes between now and the draft.

I find most wannabe scouts overvalue forwards, especially forwards that put up points in junior, and undervalue Dmen.

yeah I get the need for a RHD, but what is Reinbacher? is he a Pecse ceiling? or can he be a Seider? I don't see the dynamism of Seider. A lot of teams cannot afford to draft a defensive #3 with a top 10 pick in a deep draft, also with Vancouver out of top 10, I dont see any team dying for a Reinbacher over the slick forwards, if Arizona likes someone else, he may slip.