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ScarTroy said:
They weren’t last year. Looks like they were 8th in hockey east.
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They were also done early enough that he could have burned that ELC year had he signed right away. If they had been a top team last year and gone to the Frozen 4 there would have been insufficient games left in the Flyers' season for that to have been an option.
 
I must say, I'm pretty pleased that Verbeek was able to get this deal done. Seems like the kind of deal that Murray would have passed on because a 2nd round pick going to Philly doesn't "win" the trade. Cutter should fit in great with our forward core really well.
 
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I must say, I'm pretty pleased that Verbeek was able to get this deal done. Seems like the kind of deal that Murray would have passed on because a 2nd round pick going to Philly doesn't "win" the trade. Cutter should fit in great with our forward core really well.
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As much I think Murray may not have been able to pull it off because of not wanting to give up on Drysdale.
Murray might have been high on Cutter too, he was Vancouver's amateur scout when they drafted a 6'2 speedy defensively sound Kesler in 03 and it sounds like Cutter is gonna be upgraded Kesler in a way.
He then many years later trades for that Kesler so he may have coveted getting a younger player who can be defensively great, wins faceoffs, scores goals, gives 200%.
 
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Anaheim4ever said:
As much I think Murray may not have been able to pull it off because of not wanting to give up on Drysdale.
Murray might have been high on Cutter too, he was Vancouver's amateur scout when they drafted a 6'2 speedy defensively sound Kesler in 03 and it sounds like Cutter is gonna be upgraded Kesler in a way.
He then many years later trades for that Kesler so he may have coveted getting a younger player who can be defensively great, wins faceoffs, scores goals, gives 200%.
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If Cutter ends up being an upgraded Kesler then the Ducks should be so happy. I wouldn’t expect that.
 
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Regarding where he fits in the lineup next season, I think he starts out on the wing. Long-term though, it would be nice to have him in the middle if he's up to it. Carlsson and Cutter as a 1-2 gives us nice size at center. I imagine it would be a long process to get him acclimated to playing in the middle in the show though.

For now, I'm guessing next year looks like this:

Zegras - Carlsson - Terry
Cutter - McTavish - Killorn
Vatrano - Lundestrom - Stroke

No idea what the 4th line will look like. Jones, Groulx, and Leason are all RFA's with arbitration rights and Carrick and Johnston are UFA. The only one more likely to return than not is McGinn and that's because we're stuck with his contract for another year (unless he gets bought out, which I doubt).

Also, Lundestrom isn't guaranteed to stick either. If he gets non-tendered, I think Stroke slots in the middle and one of Nesterenko or Perreault fills in the right side.
 
FiveHoleTickler said:
Regarding where he fits in the lineup next season, I think he starts out on the wing. Long-term though, it would be nice to have him in the middle if he's up to it. Carlsson and Cutter as a 1-2 gives us nice size at center. I imagine it would be a long process to get him acclimated to playing in the middle in the show though.

For now, I'm guessing next year looks like this:

Zegras - Carlsson - Terry
Cutter - McTavish - Killorn
Vatrano - Lundestrom - Stroke

No idea what the 4th line will look like. Jones, Groulx, and Leason are all RFA's with arbitration rights and Carrick and Johnston are UFA. The only one more likely to return than not is McGinn and that's because we're stuck with his contract for another year (unless he gets bought out, which I doubt).

Also, Lundestrom isn't guaranteed to stick either. If he gets non-tendered, I think Stroke slots in the middle and one of Nesterenko or Perreault fills in the right side.
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Johnston (unfortunately) has two more years left on his contract.
 
Ducks DVM said:
McTavish is currently the worst 3 zone player on a line of Lundestrom, Silfverberg, and McTavish. Comparing his struggles to those of Terry is disingenuous because Terry has played at a top line level for multiple seasons prior to this one, whereas McTavish hasn’t managed that for more than a month of his entire career. I’m being generous saying that it is injury related, because otherwise he’s got zero excuses for the way he’s backchecking. Please do not put words into my mouth. I clearly said “McTavish MIGHT continue being injury prone, maddeningly inconsistent, and prone to absolutely moronic penalties”, I don’t have to answer for saying he will ALWAYS (your word) be that way, because it’s literally not remotely what I said.

Carlsson is on a different level than McTavish at both ends of the ice. McTavish’s edge at faceoffs are a teachable skill, the things that Carlsson does with the puck are not. I think you’d find exactly zero people on the boards or the Ducks organization that expect McTavish to beat out Carlsson for the 1C, but I’m not going to say it’ll never happen. That’s not part of the question I was answering, however.

The premise, which wasn’t mine, was that there are conceivable reasons that McTavish could be moved to the wing. It doesn’t require an evaluation of every forward in the system to make the premise correct. The premise is that nobody has a crystal ball, and that there are 3-4 players vying for 2 top 6 center spots. All of them are unfinished products, and all of them have different flaws and strengths. It requires 2 players being better than McTavish at center to move him to wing. I provided plausible outcomes that could move him there. I certainly did not insist or even imply that those were guaranteed outcomes, they are simply possibilities that answered your initial question.

Pretending that any of them are guaranteed to follow any path that only one person can see is being inconsistent. The interesting discussion is an evaluation of strengths, weaknesses, expected ceilings and floors, team/line chemistry, and not a single one of those things is graven in stone. I have no idea why you think I’m white knighting Gauthier, but I hope you’re self-aware enough to realize that ending your post the way you did IS white knighting for McTavish. White knighting is never an impartial evaluation.
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You didn't provide plausible outcomes; you provided outcomes to best suit your premise. That's biased thinking. What @HanSolo described about Cutter is what I reported to you along with other pieces of info - there is no elevating or degrading about Cutter b/c that's his scouting report.

With Terry, you kept rambling on that it's a baby issue thing. Yet there's nothing concrete identifying that. That's probably worse because can any "non-injury" put Terry in a funk for 25 games. Thankfully, Terry finally got out of his doldrums, which allows you to speak more confidently about him. I wasn't too worried about Terry coming back to his scoring again because he's dialed back some of his hero puck game. But at the same time, Mac is going through his doldrum, but you're using that low point as the standard. Weird to utilize that as his floor. That's simply biased, clearly.

As for Carlsson vs Mac, I'm in the minority that believes Mac will be better than Carlsson. Mac has move versatility in his game, but Carlsson surely got moves like Jagger.

Let's go back to Mac being the worst wheel on with Silf and Lundy, which we all agree upon. Yet, Silf and Lundy weren't doing much offensively before Mac. Despite Mac's bad recent play, he's still able to help Silf and Lundy become offensive weapons. What's crazy is that Mac also made Vatrano and Strome look great when Mac was healthy. Difference between the pair was Mac did a lot of the heavy work with Vatrano and Strome, but Lundy and Silf are now doing the heavy work. (Please note that I've been citing Strome isn't a center anymore. With the new lines for the past four games, Groulx is centering Vatrano and Terry. Strome is at RW.)

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I'd be more worried about Z displacing Mac at center than Cutter, but the consensus responses are that it's Z and Mac going to wing. You're white knighting for Cutter b/c you're using biases instead of actual reports. Scouting reports give baselines of what to expect. Similarly, HF Duck posters watching Cutter also gave reports that substantiate the reports why Cutter is more likely to be playing wing than center. I want discussions based upon actual reports, not fanciful ideas as to why Mac is being put to wing.
 
Hockey Duckie said:
You didn't provide plausible outcomes; you provided outcomes to best suit your premise. That's biased thinking. What @HanSolo described about Cutter is what I reported to you along with other pieces of info - there is no elevating or degrading about Cutter b/c that's his scouting report.

With Terry, you kept rambling on that it's a baby issue thing. Yet there's nothing concrete identifying that. That's probably worse because can any "non-injury" put Terry in a funk for 25 games. Thankfully, Terry finally got out of his doldrums, which allows you to speak more confidently about him. I wasn't too worried about Terry coming back to his scoring again because he's dialed back some of his hero puck game. But at the same time, Mac is going through his doldrum, but you're using that low point as the standard. Weird to utilize that as his floor. That's simply biased, clearly.

As for Carlsson vs Mac, I'm in the minority that believes Mac will be better than Carlsson. Mac has move versatility in his game, but Carlsson surely got moves like Jagger.

Let's go back to Mac being the worst wheel on with Silf and Lundy, which we all agree upon. Yet, Silf and Lundy weren't doing much offensively before Mac. Despite Mac's bad recent play, he's still able to help Silf and Lundy become offensive weapons. What's crazy is that Mac also made Vatrano and Strome look great when Mac was healthy. Difference between the pair was Mac did a lot of the heavy work with Vatrano and Strome, but Lundy and Silf are now doing the heavy work. (Please note that I've been citing Strome isn't a center anymore. With the new lines for the past four games, Groulx is centering Vatrano and Terry. Strome is at RW.)

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I'd be more worried about Z displacing Mac at center than Cutter, but the consensus responses are that it's Z and Mac going to wing. You're white knighting for Cutter b/c you're using biases instead of actual reports. Scouting reports give baselines of what to expect. Similarly, HF Duck posters watching Cutter also gave reports that substantiate the reports why Cutter is more likely to be playing wing than center. I want discussions based upon actual reports, not fanciful ideas as to why Mac is being put to wing.
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Plausible=/=probable. Stopped reading after that because everything I said is plausible.

edit - you really need to look up what white knighting is. I’ve said next to nothing about Gauthier in any thread. There are two plausible outcomes I gave that don’t involve him at all.
 
ScarTroy said:
It’s been discussed he’s probably more of a passenger, which is honestly something this young core needs. Need finishers, which he is.
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Hes solid defensively, plays with an edge and scores goals.

Hes not going to carry the play like zegras/carlsson/terry/mctavish... but if he pans out hell be a very important part to our offensive attack. Im fine with his style personally, i think hes a perfect/ideal fit for what we already have. He also wont be fun to play against for other opponents.
 
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