Prospect Info: Cutter Gauthier

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Maybe he will end up as the 2nd line center as well with MacT on his wing. Doesn't sound that far off to me.

So with Leo and Cutter down the middle and Terry, MacT and Z on the wing.
I look at Cutter and Zegras having opposite underdeveloped aspects of their game right now. Cutter would be fine in the defensive zone as an NHL center, he can support the D and grind out a long defensive possession. I like his game there, it’s carrying the puck up the ice and his transition game where I see limitations. It’s not that he’s horrible there, I just think he’s limited there. I do think he was better there in the WJC when he had better wingers and more space but that was on an Olympic surface

It’s the opposite with Z. He’s great carrying the puck up the ice and in the transition game. It’s his defensive game that’s pretty limited right now. It’ll ultimately come down to who Verbeek and the Ducks can develop a part of their game that’s at the moment more limited
 
I can see Verbeek envisioning him as a center.

Leo 1C
Gauthier 2C
Gaucher 3-4 C

Thats 3 big centers, not including McTavish who could be the 3c or wing in the top 6. There's some versatility here, either way getting bigger has clearly been a point of emphasis

When you have Leo, McTavish, Gauthier types in your top 6, the smaller, more skill based guys like Zegras and Terry's strengths are accentuated more
 
I can see Verbeek envisioning him as a center.

Leo 1C
Gauthier 2C
Gaucher 3-4 C

Thats 3 big centers, not including McTavish who could be the 3c or wing in the top 6. There's some versatility here, either way getting bigger has clearly been a point of emphasis

When you have Leo, McTavish, Gauthier types in your top 6, the smaller, more skill based guys like Zegras and Terry's strengths are accentuated more
I think they can experiment but ultimately they want him to score a lot of goals…
 
Maybe he will end up as the 2nd line center as well with MacT on his wing. Doesn't sound that far off to me.

So with Leo and Cutter down the middle and Terry, MacT and Z on the wing.
I think that’s low key genius. Like he did with Celebrini he can play on the defensive side of the puck and offensively find soft spots in the middle of the ice to snipe while McT and Z can forecheck and play more behind the net. McT and Z love to play with the puck on their stick and control the puck behind the net which also makes it harder to get back on D. If you have a shutdown C back there you get more freedom and you also know you have a Center that is opportunistically hanging out in the slot looking for one timers.
 
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I can see Verbeek envisioning him as a center.

Leo 1C
Gauthier 2C
Gaucher 3-4 C

Thats 3 big centers, not including McTavish who could be the 3c or wing in the top 6. There's some versatility here, either way getting bigger has clearly been a point of emphasis

When you have Leo, McTavish, Gauthier types in your top 6, the smaller, more skill based guys like Zegras and Terry's strengths are accentuated more
I get the feeling Cutter will become more effective positionally/defensively than Zegras at Center and that'll be another roadblock to Zegras being a Center on the Ducks (except when there is injuries).
In terms of matchups perhaps Verbeek envisions big centers down the middle and they put McTavish at LW on Carlsson line and then Gauthier centering 2nd line with Zegras at LW.

On the other hand they could put together a speedier line with Gauthier/Carlsson/Terry, at least perhaps on the PP they try that group.
 
Why are we moving Mac to wing?
For potentially the same reason that’s where Zegras may be headed - there is potentially a better choice at center.

We have no idea how all the young players are going to turn out. McTavish hasn’t proven anything other than he’s maddeningly inconsistent this year, and we are hoping that’s injury related.
 
For potentially the same reason that’s where Zegras may be headed - there is potentially a better choice at center.

We have no idea how all the young players are going to turn out. McTavish hasn’t proven anything other than he’s maddeningly inconsistent this year, and we are hoping that’s injury related.

The context here is that Cutter will be displacing Mac at 2C.

From many scouting reports pre and post 2022 draft, center isn't his strong suit. The Flyers board had the sentiment that Cutter isn't really suited for center duties, but their GM is still gonna make it so because the Flyers org is in need of a top-6 center at the NHL level. And with reports from this board that Cutter floats a lot, isn't something that probably won't work out at center in the NHL. Anaheim isn't in the same disposition as the Flyers' org down the middle.

As for Mac's play pre-injury and post-injury, visually, he doesn't look the same. We've witness several players playing through "healed injuries", but not look the same as recent as with Lundy's season last year.

Anything can happen, but the probability of it happening isn't very high. Give me something concrete that shows Cutter will displace Mac besides seeing the word "center" next to Cutter's name. That's why I ask, "Why are we moving Mac to wing?"
 
The context here is that Cutter will be displacing Mac at 2C.

From many scouting reports pre and post 2022 draft, center isn't his strong suit. The Flyers board had the sentiment that Cutter isn't really suited for center duties, but their GM is still gonna make it so because the Flyers org is in need of a top-6 center at the NHL level. And with reports from this board that Cutter floats a lot, isn't something that probably won't work out at center in the NHL. Anaheim isn't in the same disposition as the Flyers' org down the middle.

As for Mac's play pre-injury and post-injury, visually, he doesn't look the same. We've witness several players playing through "healed injuries", but not look the same as recent as with Lundy's season last year.

Anything can happen, but the probability of it happening isn't very high. Give me something concrete that shows Cutter will displace Mac besides seeing the word "center" next to Cutter's name. That's why I ask, "Why are we moving Mac to wing?"
That’s the same type of ask as to prove a negative.

Zegras could prove better offensively while being good defensively.
Cutter could prove effective as a center at the NHL level.
McTavish might continue being injury prone, maddeningly inconsistent, and prone to absolutely moronic penalties.

Nobody has a crystal ball saying that any of those are impossibilities, or even improbabilities. There’s no “proof” either way. What there is is conjecture, and there‘s no harm in discussing the possibilities.
 
Gauthier with a snipe for his 20th goal of the year.

He doesn’t hesitate, and his shot is so good. Had a few shots on goal tonight. Really is going to compliment players like Z and Leo who are looking to pass first.
 
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That’s the same type of ask as to prove a negative.

Zegras could prove better offensively while being good defensively.
Cutter could prove effective as a center at the NHL level.
McTavish might continue being injury prone, maddeningly inconsistent, and prone to absolutely moronic penalties.

Nobody has a crystal ball saying that any of those are impossibilities, or even improbabilities. There’s no “proof” either way. What there is is conjecture, and there‘s no harm in discussing the possibilities.

Again, I said while there's a possibility that Mac could move to wing, the probability of it occurring is not very high.

We're talking about talent eval here. You can't be disingenuous to say, "I'm asking to prove a negative." Scouting is easily available to us today than it was five years ago. I'm asking to prove talent eval, even if comparing D+1, WJC-18, or WJC-20s or current prospect rankings. Just saying shit just say shit is just saying shit. Back up that thought.

When you interject injury into talent eval, then your premise is already incorrect. Is having a baby considered an injury to a player because they are no longer playing like a top player? And would that baby injury struggle be considered the norm for that player? No.

Mac's recent struggles is akin to Terry's early struggles, both have identifiable struggles and both I'm not worried about not finding their way back to their games. You can't be, "Terry will find his game b/c of baby troubles," and from the same mouth say that, "Mac will always be inconsistent and have moronic penalties forever." There is no consistency being applied here by you.

When you don't entertain that Carlsson should also be moved to wing, then your premise is already incorrect. You're not applying your own thesis of players can be better or worse to all centers. Hell, why not have Carrick as a top-6 center? He could improve too, based upon your logic of trying to prove a negative. But that probability isn't high. The odd part is that you'd agree that Carrick being a top-6 for us next year isn't a high probability.

Again, I don't mind discussing possibilities, but there isn't discussion. I asked why should Mac move. Then I get a whole bunch of white knighting instead of discussing why Cutter is superior at center to displace Mac. Do you see the inconsistency of your questioning here? I asked a question, but you white knight by saying you can't prove a negative and at the same time want to have a "harmless discussion"?

Feels like unwarrented anti-Mac bias. hahahhahahah
 
Again, I said while there's a possibility that Mac could move to wing, the probability of it occurring is not very high.

We're talking about talent eval here. You can't be disingenuous to say, "I'm asking to prove a negative." Scouting is easily available to us today than it was five years ago. I'm asking to prove talent eval, even if comparing D+1, WJC-18, or WJC-20s or current prospect rankings. Just saying shit just say shit is just saying shit. Back up that thought.

When you interject injury into talent eval, then your premise is already incorrect. Is having a baby considered an injury to a player because they are no longer playing like a top player? And would that baby injury struggle be considered the norm for that player? No.

Mac's recent struggles is akin to Terry's early struggles, both have identifiable struggles and both I'm not worried about not finding their way back to their games. You can't be, "Terry will find his game b/c of baby troubles," and from the same mouth say that, "Mac will always be inconsistent and have moronic penalties forever." There is no consistency being applied here by you.

When you don't entertain that Carlsson should also be moved to wing, then your premise is already incorrect. You're not applying your own thesis of players can be better or worse to all centers. Hell, why not have Carrick as a top-6 center? He could improve too, based upon your logic of trying to prove a negative. But that probability isn't high. The odd part is that you'd agree that Carrick being a top-6 for us next year isn't a high probability.

Again, I don't mind discussing possibilities, but there isn't discussion. I asked why should Mac move. Then I get a whole bunch of white knighting instead of discussing why Cutter is superior at center to displace Mac. Do you see the inconsistency of your questioning here? I asked a question, but you white knight by saying you can't prove a negative and at the same time want to have a "harmless discussion"?

Feels like unwarrented anti-Mac bias. hahahhahahah
McTavish is currently the worst 3 zone player on a line of Lundestrom, Silfverberg, and McTavish. Comparing his struggles to those of Terry is disingenuous because Terry has played at a top line level for multiple seasons prior to this one, whereas McTavish hasn’t managed that for more than a month of his entire career. I’m being generous saying that it is injury related, because otherwise he’s got zero excuses for the way he’s backchecking. Please do not put words into my mouth. I clearly said “McTavish MIGHT continue being injury prone, maddeningly inconsistent, and prone to absolutely moronic penalties”, I don’t have to answer for saying he will ALWAYS (your word) be that way, because it’s literally not remotely what I said.

Carlsson is on a different level than McTavish at both ends of the ice. McTavish’s edge at faceoffs are a teachable skill, the things that Carlsson does with the puck are not. I think you’d find exactly zero people on the boards or the Ducks organization that expect McTavish to beat out Carlsson for the 1C, but I’m not going to say it’ll never happen. That’s not part of the question I was answering, however.

The premise, which wasn’t mine, was that there are conceivable reasons that McTavish could be moved to the wing. It doesn’t require an evaluation of every forward in the system to make the premise correct. The premise is that nobody has a crystal ball, and that there are 3-4 players vying for 2 top 6 center spots. All of them are unfinished products, and all of them have different flaws and strengths. It requires 2 players being better than McTavish at center to move him to wing. I provided plausible outcomes that could move him there. I certainly did not insist or even imply that those were guaranteed outcomes, they are simply possibilities that answered your initial question.

Pretending that any of them are guaranteed to follow any path that only one person can see is being inconsistent. The interesting discussion is an evaluation of strengths, weaknesses, expected ceilings and floors, team/line chemistry, and not a single one of those things is graven in stone. I have no idea why you think I’m white knighting Gauthier, but I hope you’re self-aware enough to realize that ending your post the way you did IS white knighting for McTavish. White knighting is never an impartial evaluation.
 
Those goals from last night were pretty neat, IMO. We gave up a lot I think, but as I said before, trade value aside, super stoked to have him and see how good he can become.

Btw, was BC a good team last season? This year they're a top team. Last year Gauthier was leading the team in points but were they considered a good team? Cannot find rankings.

I was just thinking that in BC this year, in WJC, in WC – he's playing on some good teams
 
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Those goals from last night were pretty neat, IMO. We gave up a lot I think, but as I said before, trade value aside, super stoked to have him and see how good he can become.

Btw, was BC a good team last season? This year they're a top team. Last year Gauthier was leading the team in points but were they considered a good team? Cannot find rankings.

I was just thinking that in BC this year, in WJC, in WC – he's playing on some good teams
They weren’t last year. Looks like they were 8th in hockey east. The freshman line for them has been quite a game changer. And also Fowler being in net.
 
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Those goals from last night were pretty neat, IMO. We gave up a lot I think, but as I said before, trade value aside, super stoked to have him and see how good he can become.

Btw, was BC a good team last season? This year they're a top team. Last year Gauthier was leading the team in points but were they considered a good team? Cannot find rankings.

I was just thinking that in BC this year, in WJC, in WC – he's playing on some good teams
No. 14-16-6

 
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