Value of: Crosby to the Avs

[Beauner]

First of all.... There's no proposal in this thread until that "outrageous" Makar++++ proposal. The OP merely asked the question and the first response was that "Makar+++ Nonsense"


Second of all, the OP is not an Avs fan. In fact if you actually paid attention before acting like Mr. Big guy on campus, you'd see that not a single Avs fan had even posted in this thread, before the "Makar+++" comment was thrown out.

For the umpteenth time, no one seriously thinks makar for Crosby is fair value. That’s simply the overpayment necessary to get Crosby. That’s it

 

[jonlin]

Well if you want him to play with Mack the return starts with Makar. And if you want to keep Makar the return starts with Mack. If you want to keep both of those guys, which I’m assuming is the case:
Rantanen
Byram
Girard
Newhook
And keep adding 1st round picks till Pittsburgh says yes

Post of the year! Have you thought about getting your head checked?

 

[Lockin17]

Well if you want him to play with Mack the return starts with Makar. And if you want to keep Makar the return starts with Mack. If you want to keep both of those guys, which I’m assuming is the case:
Rantanen
Byram
Girard
Newhook
And keep adding 1st round picks till Pittsburgh says yes

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

For the umpteenth time, no one seriously thinks makar for Crosby is fair value. That’s simply the overpayment necessary to get Crosby. That’s it

Avs fans need to make sure everyone knows their players are superior

 

[FameFlame069]

Y'all have to realize, Crosby has carried the pens for 20 years almost, he's been there for his entire NHL tenure and they've had what a bad stretch for 3 of those years, he's been one of the top players in the NHL for his career, if you want him you're going to have to give up 1 elite level player and add, on Col you have MacK and Makar as elite, Rant just under elite, and then? So it's starting with one of those 3 and you add, the premise of the thread was to give Crosby another chance at a cup and to play with MacK, so it's down to Rant and Makar, Crosby has what 3 rings? Why would he care about another one? He's never been a selfish person so I really don't see him wanting to leave Pittsburgh for a chance lol, if you want Crosby you're paying through your ass.

 

[PensandCaps]

The Pens golden years are coming to a close, regardless of any recent win streaks. They will most likely get bounced again in the first or second round, especially with Sullivan behind the bench.

Sid to the Avs makes sense. He gets another shot at a cup on a legit contender, and gets to play with his buddy Mack. Pens get a nice return in order to rebuild. What would it take?

Hmm the Avs haven't gotten past round 2. Why are you assumimg the Avs have a better chance at a cup than the Pens do?

 

[Nakawick]

If Sid ever did play on another team, the Avs and Habs are the only two I could see. That said, the Pens would be looking to add this season, not trade away their captain and best player.

 

[SEALBound]

For the sale of conversation, I say it starts with Newhook and grows from there. Maybe add a high end prospect, perhaps Olausson? Then Maltsev and a 1st. Avs get Sid and some struggling prospect to offset Maltsev.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Avs fans need to make sure everyone knows their players are superior

Damn, last nights loss really getting to you isn't it?

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Jeez do Avs fans not know who Crosby is to Pittsburgh?

Everyone knows, we had Sakic and didn't want to see him traded. Just simply laughable to say 'Not available unless you trade your best players+++'. We're all able to tell how that goes down, so when someone does it they're intentionally starting a discussion on something that will be closed .

It's like asking for Malkin for a 35 year old Sakic. He hit 100 points, which was crazy. But still makes no sense.

 

[jetsforever]

Avalanche with Crosby would just be unfair

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Crosby is 34 man. Makar is 22 and probably the second most untouchable player in the league. Makar +++ for Crosby is a complete joke.

And so is the original proposal.

That's the point.

Does anyone on here honestly think the Pens will move Crosby in a fair deal? He is their franchise.

 

[Spilot23]

If Crosby to the Avs could happen I think it would be him asking to be moved not the Avs asking for his value to get him. At the end of the day I think he ends his career in Pittsburgh. But man the "It will take Makar or Rantanen + Byram.. and so on the get him" is just laughable. You might as well just say that he's not available instead off making yourself look like a fool. Saying this because this isn't an Avs fan proposal and haven't seen one proposing pieces to get him.

 

[rogking65]

Y'all have to realize, Crosby has carried the pens for 20 years almost, he's been there for his entire NHL tenure and they've had what a bad stretch for 3 of those years, he's been one of the top players in the NHL for his career, if you want him you're going to have to give up 1 elite level player and add, on Col you have MacK and Makar as elite, Rant just under elite, and then? So it's starting with one of those 3 and you add, the premise of the thread was to give Crosby another chance at a cup and to play with MacK, so it's down to Rant and Makar, Crosby has what 3 rings? Why would he care about another one? He's never been a selfish person so I really don't see him wanting to leave Pittsburgh for a chance lol, if you want Crosby you're paying through your ass.

so many posters do not take age into consideration. Crosby is 35 this year . Do you think he can keep producing for the next 4 or 5 yrs. The answer is probably no. So he is definitely not worth either of the 3 players you mentioned

 

[FameFlame069]

so many posters do not take age into consideration. Crosby is 35 this year . Do you think he can keep producing for the next 4 or 5 yrs. The answer is probably no. So he is definitely not worth either of the 3 players you mentioned

Age is nothing when your team is trying to win a cup, if you have the chance to bolster your C depth with one of the best Centers in the league and you're not ready to cough something good up, just put the dreams away and don't get the cup, wait until MacK carries your team to a single cup and then others trying to get him for cheap, Crosby ihas been the face of the NHL for how long, he's not getting traded for garbage offers, it's going to be Crosby for 1 elite piece ++ or you're no getting him, teams will be lining up offering up great pieces if Crosby was on the market today. Good luck though.

 

[Habs10025]

Crosby isn't available .

 

[rogking65]

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Age is nothing when your team is trying to win a cup, if you have the chance to bolster your C depth with one of the best Centers in the league and you're not ready to cough something good up, just put the dreams away and don't get the cup, wait until MacK carries your team to a single cup and then others trying to get him for cheap, Crosby ihas been the face of the NHL for how long, he's not getting traded for garbage offers, it's going to be Crosby for 1 elite piece ++ or you're no getting him, teams will be lining up offering up great pieces if Crosby was on the market today. Good luck though.

you have to take into consideration how good your team is and the age of y our players. For example the best thing LA could do for their future would be to trade Doughty and Kopitar for prospects and young players so their core ages together.By trading these 2 players in 3 or 4 years they could be a powerhouse

 

[AslanRH]

Crosby only gets traded if he asks to get traded, and it will likely be to chase one last cup.
If that is the case:

• he'll try to facilitate a reasonable return for the Pens
• he won't gut the NHL level talent of the team he's going to
• Penguins will make it happen out of respect to him

 

[KrisLetAngry]

The Makar+++ is a huge hyperbole.

Avs fans relax.

We know we aren't getting Makar and Avs aren't getting Crosby.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Age is nothing when your team is trying to win a cup, if you have the chance to bolster your C depth with one of the best Centers in the league and you're not ready to cough something good up, just put the dreams away and don't get the cup, wait until MacK carries your team to a single cup and then others trying to get him for cheap, Crosby ihas been the face of the NHL for how long, he's not getting traded for garbage offers, it's going to be Crosby for 1 elite piece ++ or you're no getting him, teams will be lining up offering up great pieces if Crosby was on the market today. Good luck though.

Maybe age is nothing, but asset management is most definitely still a thing. Giving up an elite piece+++ for a couple years of Crosby would be utterly moronic. Maybe that isn't a problem for every GM in the NHL, and a few of them would probably still be lining up, but that doesn't really make it a good idea. With how difficult it is to actually win the Cup, stocking up with the best team on paper still only realistically gives you maybe a 10-12% chance of actually winning (as opposed to 6.25% if every playoff team was completely equal), because there's still the potential for injuries, or bad bounces, or phantom offside calls. Does having 4 years with a 12% chance really give the Avs a better chance at winning than 10 years with an 11.5% chance, because the math doesn't seem to work.

 

[Son Goku]

You can f*** yourself unless its a severe overpayment

 

[beowulf]

I would be massively surprised if he was traded, especially with the team doing well without Malkin. Once Malking is back who knows how far they can go come the playoffs.

 

[SUX2BU]

Crosby is not going anywhere

 

[Empoleon8771]

There is only 2 scenarios with respect to a Crosby trade:

1. He doesn't want to be traded, so he won't be traded
2. He wants to be traded, so his return would be pennies on the dollar for what his "perceived" value would be due to his full NMC.

That's it. There is 0 scenario where the Penguins just decide to trade Crosby for fair value. The talk about Crosby for Makar is stupid because that is never a deal that would happen. You're trying to argue about "fair value" of a trade that will flat out never happen.

 

[Jerkbait]

Hmm the Avs haven't gotten past round 2. Why are you assumimg the Avs have a better chance at a cup than the Pens do?

Unless the avs do something with their goaltending they mays well have jarry in there...