Friedman: Coyotes gauging the market on Chychrun

[The Lukeman]

LA can easily give a good offer. Blake stated in the summer that they are looking to make splash with a #1 LHD by start of 2022 season

-2022 1st
-One of Turcotte or Vilardi
-One of the many top 6 forwards in the pipeline OR one of Bjornfot/Anderson

 

[Jumptheshark]

The ask would be high and Arizona is not taking any bad contracts back

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

I hope you are wrong. On the other hand, some actions of Steve Yzerman put me on my guard.

I think Detroit has other tasks. Detroit will not fight for the Stanley Cup this season (Jakob Chychrun LD; AAV $ 4,600,000; UFA 2025). Other teams are more interested in the hockey player.

Arizona won't give Detroit a discount. The player cost will be very high.

I think Detroit needs to continue on its path calmly.

Agreed. The amount of future capital AZ would want will only hurt the Wings and their rebuild. The Yzerplan is coming together beautifully. Patience is the way of the Y

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Seth Jones return should be the floor on what they get, basically two first round picks, a 2nd and a top (not A+ level) prospect.

 

[YP44]

Seth Jones return should be the floor on what they get, basically two first round picks, a 2nd and a top (not A+ level) prospect.

From LA Turcotte, Kupari, Roy, Top 3 protected fist

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

not in Division anymore and I think Arizona just needs best return if they actually move him

Shows how much I’ve been paying attention this year. Makes it even more likely to happen

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Montreal should be all over this

As much as it would be good for MTL to have him, there’s a couple obstacles

1. we have a logjam at LD both currently and in prospects up and coming- gotta trade out existing contracts
2. With Gorton at the helm and two excellent draft years coming for his rebuild, depleting our draft capital may not seem too enticing.
3. To have Chych play for another rebuild will almost guarantee he doesn’t resign. If that happens, it was almost all done in vain.

 

[GreeningOil]

Oilers should be all over this.

Whatever it takes. Obs not the big 2.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

You can have OEL back.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

LA Kings would have the most assets to give up, and need a LHD.

I don't see Chychrun moving but a package with Turcotte and a 1st going to Arizona is a good base.

 

[Headcrush19]

That needs to be a 1st. And if it is, that might do it.

Oilers 1st will be like a second round pick

 

[TLEH]

I think NHL teams need to get more on board with what NBA teams do when it comes to competing.

I understand free agency in the NBA is way different, but if you're a team like the Oilers, who gives a shit about any of your firsts for the next 5-7 years. You torch everything you've got and just go for it with Drai and McDavid.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

NYR could be a good fit. A first pair with him and fox could be best in the league.

Is Nils Lundkvust still highly though of there? Would him, plus Laf/Kakko and a pick be too much?

 

[YP44]

NYR could be a good fit. A first pair with him and fox could be best in the league.

Is Nils Lundkvust still highly though of there? Would him, plus Laf/Kakko and a pick be too much?

Would new york really give up Laf let alone add to him?

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

LA can easily give a good offer. Blake stated in the summer that they are looking to make splash with a #1 LHD by start of 2022 season

-2022 1st
-One of Turcotte or Vilardi
-One of the many top 6 forwards in the pipeline OR one of Bjornfot/Anderson

In the GM game we played on this forum a few weeks ago, LA won the bidding for Chychrun with Turcotte, Bjornfot, Kupari and a 1st. That's the sort of cost it is likely going to take I think as 3 pieces can be matched by a lot of teams. It'll take 4 pieces minimum I'd say.

Picking him up for 3 pieces would be a steal considering he is 23, a legit top 4 D and on a great contract with term.

 

[Mrfenn92]

The ask would be high and Arizona is not taking any bad contracts back

They might if it’s worth it for them with a added pick/prospect or two

 

[cwede]

NYR could be a good fit. A first pair with him and fox could be best in the league.
Is Nils Lundkvist still highly though of there? Would him, plus Laf/Kakko and a pick be too much?

this is silly click bait, 1st overall just 16 months ago isn't a sweetener in a 3-for-1

if Chychryn is made available, NYR could inquire, and has a handful of talent to send in return

but this thread will mostly be folks proposing NBA-type trades (handful of 1st's) which is not how actual NHL deals happen

look at the Eichel deal, all this online certainty of handful's of firsts',
but it fell right where experienced and cooler heads predicted:
a proven young-ish/mid-20's player, a blue-chip prospect, a 1st, and a sweetener (a 2nd for a 3rd)

if AZ moves Jake, they will do very well,
but it won't be a "4 1st's +" type bonanza, like HFB posters repeatedly dream up

 

[hbk]

What happens to offers if AZ eats 50% of cap?

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

What happens to offers if AZ eats 50% of cap?

31 teams make offers.

 

[TFHockey]

Oilers 1st will be like a second round pick

Not the way they're playing it won't. More like a lottery pick.

I think NHL teams need to get more on board with what NBA teams do when it comes to competing.

I understand free agency in the NBA is way different, but if you're a team like the Oilers, who gives a shit about any of your firsts for the next 5-7 years. You torch everything you've got and just go for it with Drai and McDavid.

Totally agree. Get Chychrun, get Zub, get MAF, get whomever you need and win the cup FFS.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Niemelä is nice offensively, but has worse defence than any of crappiest Toronto defencemen defensively.

Definitely trade bait, won't help Leafs on their biggest problem.

You have no clue who Niemela is if you think he's poor defensively. His defensive game has grown leaps and bounds over the last 2 years. This scenario getting a young number 1 is the only scenario the leafs would consider moving him in. I'm confident he becomes a 1st pair d, wether he's a 1 or 2 we will have to see.

 

[Jumptheshark]

What happens to offers if AZ eats 50% of cap?

31 teams offer their 2nd best player and 3 first rounders.

Why does Arizona do that is the question?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

As much as it would be good for MTL to have him, there’s a couple obstacles

1. we have a logjam at LD both currently and in prospects up and coming- gotta trade out existing contracts
2. With Gorton at the helm and two excellent draft years coming for his rebuild, depleting our draft capital may not seem too enticing.
3. To have Chych play for another rebuild will almost guarantee he doesn’t resign. If that happens, it was almost all done in vain.

Indeed Montreal is entering a rebuild , habs should 1 of the team not giving prospects and picks for nothing.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

What happens to offers if AZ eats 50% of cap?

50% retention on a proven young defenseman with a very team-friendly, non-expiring contract?

The Coyotes could ask for the moon.

 

[rt]

this is silly click bait, 1st overall just 16 months ago isn't a sweetener in a 3-for-1

if Chychryn is made available, NYR could inquire, and has a handful of talent to send in return

but this thread will mostly be folks proposing NBA-type trades (handful of 1st's) which is not how actual NHL deals happen

look at the Eichel deal, all this online certainty of handful's of firsts',
but it fell right where experienced and cooler heads predicted:
a proven young-ish/mid-20's player, a blue-chip prospect, a 1st, and a sweetener (a 2nd for a 3rd)

if AZ moves Jake, they will do very well,
but it won't be a "4 1st's +" type bonanza, like HFB posters repeatedly dream up

The Columbus Blue Jackets received the Chicago Blackhawks 2022 1st round pick (top 2 protected in '22 and unprotected in '23), 2021 1st round pick (# 11 Cole Sillinger), 2021 2nd round pick (#43 Aleksi Heimosalmi) and Adam Boqvist (#8-2018) for Seth Jones, 2021 1st round pick (# 31 Nolan Allan), and a 2022 6th round pick.

Jones was signed to a deal that's twice as expensive per year as Chychrun's, he's 4 years older than Chychrun, and he's not as effective at playing hockey as Chychrun is.

Chychrun should and will return more than Jones. Chychrun should and will return more than Eichel (relative to absolute value for a rebuilding team - this will be harder to comp because BUF asked for and received a valuable roster piece and AZ won't).