Friedman: Coyotes gauging the market on Chychrun

[Bevans]

this is silly click bait, 1st overall just 16 months ago isn't a sweetener in a 3-for-1

if Chychryn is made available, NYR could inquire, and has a handful of talent to send in return

but this thread will mostly be folks proposing NBA-type trades (handful of 1st's) which is not how actual NHL deals happen

look at the Eichel deal, all this online certainty of handful's of firsts',
but it fell right where experienced and cooler heads predicted:
a proven young-ish/mid-20's player, a blue-chip prospect, a 1st, and a sweetener (a 2nd for a 3rd)

if AZ moves Jake, they will do very well,
but it won't be a "4 1st's +" type bonanza, like HFB posters repeatedly dream up

Impressive combination of condescension and error. "Cooler heads" here realize that Chychrun's cool head is affixed to a healthy neck.

Chychrun will get more than Eichel did. He is not comparable for a variety of reasons.

As stated above, chychrun is younger and cheaper than Jones. Start with Jones' price and add.

 

[TFHockey]

Impressive combination of condescension and error. "Cooler heads" here realize that Chychrun's cool head is affixed to a healthy neck.

Chychrun will get more than Eichel did. He is not comparable for a variety of reasons.

As stated above, chychrun is younger and cheaper than Jones. Start with Jones' price and add.

This is a thread worthy of a bookmark. Some trade proposals on here are pretty massive and perhaps some fans are in for a real awakening.

 

[cneely]

Impressive combination of condescension and error. "Cooler heads" here realize that Chychrun's cool head is affixed to a healthy neck.

Chychrun will get more than Eichel did. He is not comparable for a variety of reasons.

As stated above, chychrun is younger and cheaper than Jones. Start with Jones' price and add.

He may be healthier, but a healthy Eichel is a far better player then Chychrun.

 

[cneely]

Seth Jones return should be the floor on what they get, basically two first round picks, a 2nd and a top (not A+ level) prospect.

The Blue Jackets also got a late first in the deal as well, no? Basically cancel out the 2nd, so two firsts and a good prospect.

 

[emmitt fitzhume]

He will get a huge haul. If he doesn’t then the gm did a terrible job.

Do they want young nhl ready players over more picks and prospects?

 

[ETTHAKING67]

I've been reading this thread and thining and here are the 4 most realistic trade in my mind.

The first one is inspired by a post from someone else here but forgot his name (sorry buddy)
To STL
Jakob Chychrun
Travis Boyd

To ARI
Scandella or an other $$$ Issue (AZ would probably be able to flip Scandella if they retain $)
Kostin
Neighbors
‘22 1st
‘'23 1st
----------
To NYR
Jakob Chychrun

To ARI
Kappo Kakko
Jacob Ragnarsson (Or any Lower quality D prosect)
1st 2021
----
To EDM
Jakob Chychrun

To ARI
Evan Bouchard or Dylan Holloway
Kailer Yamamoto
Zack Kassian (Dump)
1st 2021 EDM
----
To LAK
Jakob Chychrun

To ARI
Alex Turcotte
Helge Grans
Matt Roy (to fit on the cap, would be flipped again,imo)
1st 2022
3rd 2023



I might be a real clown as well so roast me if my propositions don't make sens at all

 

[Bevans]

He may be healthier, but a healthy Eichel is a far better player then Chychrun.

Not relevant as a healthy Eichel has never been traded.

 

[TFHockey]

I've been reading this thread and thining and here are the 4 most realistic trade in my mind.

The first one is inspired by a post from someone else here but forgot his name (sorry buddy)
To STL
Jakob Chychrun
Travis Boyd

To ARI
Scandella or an other $$$ Issue (AZ would probably be able to flip Scandella if they retain $)
Kostin
Neighbors
‘22 1st
‘'23 1st
----------
To NYR
Jakob Chychrun

To ARI
Kappo Kakko
Jacob Ragnarsson (Or any Lower quality D prosect)
1st 2021
----
To EDM
Jakob Chychrun

To ARI
Evan Bouchard or Dylan Holloway
Kailer Yamamoto
Zack Kassian (Dump)
1st 2021 EDM
----
To LAK
Jakob Chychrun

To ARI
Alex Turcotte
Helge Grans
Matt Roy (to fit on the cap, would be flipped again,imo)
1st 2022
3rd 2023



I might be a real clown as well so roast me if my propositions don't make sens at all

Edmonton can't deal Bouchard. He anchors the right side and will do so for years. 1st round picks or a prospect forward is more likely.

 

[Bevans]

This is a thread worthy of a bookmark. Some trade proposals on here are pretty massive and perhaps some fans are in for a real awakening.

Keep in mind that Chychrun is 23, locked in for 3 more years, at an extremely cheap price, and is an excellent player.

There have been exceedingly few players of his stature, age, cost, and term traded in the cap era.

There is no neck concern Ala eichel, no ankle like Karlsson, no 10 million dollar price tag like Jones, no character concerns like Kane, no public request for a trade like Duchene. This is just a big cheap name and his only baggage is playing on a horrific team.

If Chychrun gets traded there are very few comparable.

 

[ETTHAKING67]

Edmonton can't deal Bouchard. He anchors the right side and will do so for years. 1st round picks or a prospect forward is more likely.

Yes I thought so. I feel like Broberg isn't good enough.
Maybe this ?

Broberg
Yamamoto
Kassian
1st EDM 2022
2nd EDM 2023

 

[BritainStix]

Flyers

Brink
1st 2022 unprotected
1st 2023 unprotected

You owe us for Ghost after all

 

[TFHockey]

Yes I thought so. I feel like Broberg isn't good enough.
Maybe this ?

Broberg
Yamamoto
Kassian
1st EDM 2022
2nd EDM 2023

Broberg is LHD so if they want a D coming back he'd be it.

Keep in mind that Chychrun is 23, locked in for 3 more years, at an extremely cheap price, and is an excellent player.

There have been exceedingly few players of his stature, age, cost, and term traded in the cap era.

There is no neck concern Ala eichel, no ankle like Karlsson, no 10 million dollar price tag like Jones, no character concerns like Kane, no public request for a trade like Duchene. This is just a big cheap name and his only baggage is playing on a horrific team.

If Chychrun gets traded there are very few comparable.

That is my point, a lot of people are doing usual HF "this is what he will go for, more than you think" but really we never get these trades right.

 

[cneely]

Not relevant as a healthy Eichel has never been traded.

Of course its relevant. Injury status is an important factor in trade value, but so is the quality of the player.

 

[cneely]

Keep in mind that Chychrun is 23, locked in for 3 more years, at an extremely cheap price, and is an excellent player.

There have been exceedingly few players of his stature, age, cost, and term traded in the cap era.

There is no neck concern Ala eichel, no ankle like Karlsson, no 10 million dollar price tag like Jones, no character concerns like Kane, no public request for a trade like Duchene. This is just a big cheap name and his only baggage is playing on a horrific team.

If Chychrun gets traded there are very few comparable.

Young, highly respected player on a good contract with term who is having a sub par year.

Dubois?

 

[cwede]

Keep in mind that Chychrun is 23, locked in for 3 more years, at an extremely cheap price, and is an excellent player.
There have been exceedingly few players of his stature, age, cost, and term traded in the cap era.
If Chychrun gets traded there are very few comparable.

this is a serious, not wise-guy response -
that sounds very very much like Seth Jones at the time of his FIRST trade,

which was just 1-for-1 -
that 1 being a 23-year-old C, 6'3" 215#, one-time top 4 pick, with a 25+ & 30+ G seasons, a 60+ & 70+ Pt seasons
a very very good return (but not 4 1st's)

with all the picks AZ has already, if Jake ain't their leader and centerpiece, maybe that's what they should look for

 

[Bevans]

Young, highly respected player on a good contract with term who is having a sub par year.

Dubois?

Dubois was an RFA to be and also demanded a trade. He was also traded for another disgruntled guy on an expiring contract. Not a great comp either. But maybe closer than some others.

 

[cneely]

Dubois was an RFA to be and also demanded a trade. He was also traded for another disgruntled guy on an expiring contract. Not a great comp either. But maybe closer than some others.

Dubois did have 2 years of term left.

 

[Bevans]

Dubois did have 2 years of term left.

My mistake he signed shortly before the trade.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Keep in mind that Chychrun is 23, locked in for 3 more years, at an extremely cheap price, and is an excellent player.

There have been exceedingly few players of his stature, age, cost, and term traded in the cap era.

There is no neck concern Ala eichel, no ankle like Karlsson, no 10 million dollar price tag like Jones, no character concerns like Kane, no public request for a trade like Duchene. This is just a big cheap name and his only baggage is playing on a horrific team.

If Chychrun gets traded there are very few comparable.

The only thing I would be afraid of is a return like Dougie to Calgary. 1st and 2 2nds would be pretty underwhelming. There were reported issues with Dougie in Boston though so I don't think he will be on a discount like that

 

[CraigsList]

Welcome to LA.

Could definitely see this.

 

[kings11]

Could definitely see this.

I can’t, the assets AZ would want LA would rather keep… how do you build a deal without Byfield, Clarke and possibly Turcotte?
2022 1st
Vilardi
Kupari/JAD/Madden… maybe 2 of these
Roy or Walker

Edit: I don’t see how this works

 

[Theodore450]

As much as it would be good for MTL to have him, there’s a couple obstacles

1. we have a logjam at LD both currently and in prospects up and coming- gotta trade out existing contracts
2. With Gorton at the helm and two excellent draft years coming for his rebuild, depleting our draft capital may not seem too enticing.
3. To have Chych play for another rebuild will almost guarantee he doesn’t resign. If that happens, it was almost all done in vain.

I think if we liquidate our players on D and forward we’ll have enough capital to add a young top pairing D. I understand your assessment but I don’t think a complete torch in Montreal is the best decision

 

[Bevans]

I can’t, the assets AZ would want LA would rather keep… how do you build a deal without Byfield, Clarke and possibly Turcotte?
2022 1st
Vilardi
Kupari/JAD/Madden… maybe 2 of these
Roy or Walker

Edit: I don’t see how this works

Just because you don't want to pay doesn't mean that Blake doesn't. LA wants to be competitive now. You think doughty and Kopitar would pass on Chychrun so they can play with Clarke in a few years?

Teams like Ottawa with a young core can wait for their Sandersons.

Rebuilding teams with a core like La's will be more willing to re-open their window with a 23 year old. I don't think any of those players you listed would be entirely off the table

 

[BruinsJoe]

He s good young player but far from a super star, same value as Habs super star Dvorak (Habs over paid on this one) , a 1st and a second pick...

 

[kings11]

Just because you don't want to pay doesn't mean that Blake doesn't. LA wants to be competitive now. You think doughty and Kopitar would pass on Chychrun so they can play with Clarke in a few years?

Teams like Ottawa with a young core can wait for their Sandersons.

Rebuilding teams with a core like La's will be more willing to re-open their window with a 23 year old. I don't think any of those players you listed would be entirely off the table

No genius, they aren’t moving Byfield or Clarke.. they’re literally untouchable