Coyotes ASU temporary visiting team’s locker room and training area

[Heldig]

at a certain pt the nhlpa steps in and says our players don’t play under these conditions?

The NHLPA have been fully apprised of the situation and agreed to it.

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

Look on the bright side "Mullett Arena" is a pretty great name for a place to play hockey

The home of @Mulletman

 

[Rufus T Firefly]

The NHLPA have been fully apprised of the situation and agreed to it.

Do you know anything more about this?

Just from a legal perspective, I would think NHL locker rooms have to meet certain criteria in terms of space, facilities, temperature control, sanitary prerequisites etc., as it is a work environment and therefore subject to standards across the league.

Do you know if visitor's locker room meets all of these requirements? If not, do you (or anyone else I guess) know how and why the NHLPA approved this and if there is any compensation for the players (i.e. workers)?

I'm just looking at it from a workplace standards viewpoint and if the standards are subpar, the NHLPA should have gotten some sort compensation, otherwise it seems like poor work by their union.

However, maybe it does, despite appearances, meet all the necessary requirements?

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Do you know anything more about this?

Just from a legal perspective, I would think NHL locker rooms have to meet certain criteria in terms of space, facilities, temperature control, sanitary prerequisites etc., as it is a work environment and therefore subject to standards across the league.

Do you know if visitor's locker room meets all of these requirements? If not, do you (or anyone else I guess) know how and why the NHLPA approved this and if there is any compensation for the players (i.e. workers)?

I'm just looking at it from a workplace standards viewpoint and if the standards are subpar, the NHLPA should have gotten some sort compensation, otherwise it seems like poor work by their union.

However, maybe it does, despite appearances, meet all the necessary requirements?

As far as I can tell this is what the CBA says on the matter

34.11 Visiting Team Training/Medical Supplies. Clubs are to provide the items in Exhibit 37 to visiting teams, maintained in good working order (replaced as needed, or as per the standards in such Exhibit 37, if applicable).

EXHIBIT 37
VISITING TEAM TRAINING/MEDICAL SUPPLIES/SHOWER SUPPLIES
I. Visiting Team Training/Medical Supplies
Clubs are to provide the following items to visiting teams, maintained in good working order (replaced as needed, or as per the below standards, if provided).
3 standardized treatment tables as follows: 1 Hi/Low table – 15 year shelf life; 2 standard treatment tables – 10 year shelf life
2 mobile stools for treatment - 5 year shelf life
Shower spigot and hose for filling tub – installed in the shower area
2 Game Ready units and hose - 7 year shelf life
Chattanooga M2-12 pack hydrocollator – 15 year shelf life; 12 pads and covers to be replaced on annual basis.
The standards listed for treatment tables may have to be adjusted due to insufficient facility space in some visiting club's medical rooms. Minimum standard is one (1) standard table and one hi/low table, when space does not allow for full standard to be met.
II. Locker Room Quality/Shower Supplies
Clubs are to provide professional quality shower supplies/products to home and visiting team Players. Clubs are to provide high quality bath towels to Players, to be replaced on an as needed basis.

34.12 Locker Room Quality/Shower Supplies. Clubs are to provide professional quality shower supplies/products to home and visiting team Players. Clubs are to provide high quality bath towels to Players, to be replaced on as needed basis.

So I guess the NHLPA figured there wasn’t enough to fight here?

Collective Bargaining Agreement

The CBA between the NHLPA and the NHL sets out the terms and conditions of employment for all professional hockey players playing in the NHL, as well as the res

www.nhlpa.com

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Remember that whenever you give money to your team some of it comes here due to revenue sharing. Keep directly funding hockey in the desert everyone!

Your flex is that your team needs money?

 

[John Mandalorian]

As far as I can tell this is what the CBA says on the matter





So I guess the NHLPA figured there wasn’t enough to fight here?

Collective Bargaining Agreement

The CBA between the NHLPA and the NHL sets out the terms and conditions of employment for all professional hockey players playing in the NHL, as well as the res

www.nhlpa.com

The emphasis on home and visiting invites scrutiny here. By emphasizing standards for both teams in this phrasing, you can look at the disparity between home and road in this situation and say the standards are not being met for both.

 

[Rufus T Firefly]

As far as I can tell this is what the CBA says on the matter





So I guess the NHLPA figured there wasn’t enough to fight here?

Collective Bargaining Agreement

The CBA between the NHLPA and the NHL sets out the terms and conditions of employment for all professional hockey players playing in the NHL, as well as the res

www.nhlpa.com

Wow, I would have thought the CBA would have more detail on locker room specifics beyond the minimal description in 34.12. I guess it comes down to the interpretation of "professional" but that is just for the showers those weren't in the video, so they may be just fine.

I agree, it seems the NHLPA doesn't have much of a case here oddly.

I guess this whole situation hasn't ever really come up before, so maybe it wasn't deemed necessary to go into such detail when the CBA was signed? I wonder if the next CBA changes because of this.

 

[glovesave_35]

The documentary that is hopefully being made should be fascinating.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Wow, I would have thought the CBA would have more detail on locker room specifics beyond the minimal description in 34.12. I guess it comes down to the interpretation of "professional" but that is just for the showers those weren't in the video, so they may be just fine.

I agree, it seems the NHLPA doesn't have much of a case here oddly.

I guess this whole situation hasn't ever really come up before, so maybe it wasn't deemed necessary to go into such detail when the CBA was signed? I wonder if the next CBA changes because of this.

I'd like to think that when the last CBA was signed, neither side anticipated the possibility that one of the league's franchises would be doing what Arizona's doing this season.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Been waiting for the first Coyotes home game this season.
Hasn't disappointed yet lollll

 

[Rob Brown]

Meh... I think I'll wait until I see the final product before I lose my mind.

Would be pretty wild if the Coyotes go on a Cinderella run within the next three years (or however long it takes to get new arena) and the Stanley Cup final is played in an arena more befitting of the Memorial Cup.. I think I'm rooting for it to happen.

It's even smaller than most arenas that would host the Mem Cup.

 

[GMR]

Couple blocks (~10 min walk) from the bulk of the main campus. Pretty much right next to Sun Devil Stadium.

Are there any bars nearby where ASU students party?

 

[ClasslessGuy]

You can’t make this sh** up lol

 

[EddieTheEagle]

Really don't care. It's temporary and these guys are millionaires. They'll survive. Does it look bush? Sure, but I have zero sympathies and can only laugh at the folks saying "How can the NHLPA let this happen!?".

I ride my bike to work and get changed in a questionable-at-best bathroom stall on the regular. The mice constantly peer and laugh at my loins. Pay me ELC money and I'll get changed where ever you want, baby.

 

[pictman]

There's nothing wrong with this. I played under the same conditions. Just like that, curtains and all.....mind you it was 1967........ in a rink built in 1919.......in a town of 120 people......and it was 10 and under minor hockey. But other than that it was exactly the same right ? Nope, nothing wrong with this at all !

 

[cbcwpg]

If the Coyotes were actually a class organization, for these 4 games they would have their players change behind the drapes, and let the visitors use the Coyote's room. Would be the right thing to do, but hey, it's the Coyotes.

As far as the NHLPA "letting this happen".... IMO they didn't let it happen, they got paid off. Don't know what it is , but there will be something minor given up in the next CBA by the NHL as a token thank you for not complaining.

 

[AvroArrow]

Absolutely pathetic, this is bush league shit. Move the f***ing team already Gary, this is a disgrace. Has something like this ever happened in pro-sports before ? OHL arenas have higher standards than this crap.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Absolutely pathetic, this is bush league shit. Move the f***ing team already Gary, this is a disgrace. Has something like this ever happened in pro-sports before ? OHL arenas have higher standards than this crap.

There have been examples previously, posted in here I think, of teams in other sports using temporary digs while waiting on a new arena or stadium.

Don't think I've ever seen it this bad though. Hopefully after Game 4 - and for however longer they choose to host NHL games in a glorified rec center - the conditions improve.

The league is "committed" to making it work in Arizona, even if there have been countless red flags along the way.

At this point I figure if they haven't left by now, they never will.

 

[NobleSix]

Pathetic.

 

[Heldig]

Do you know anything more about this?

Just from a legal perspective, I would think NHL locker rooms have to meet certain criteria in terms of space, facilities, temperature control, sanitary prerequisites etc., as it is a work environment and therefore subject to standards across the league.

Do you know if visitor's locker room meets all of these requirements? If not, do you (or anyone else I guess) know how and why the NHLPA approved this and if there is any compensation for the players (i.e. workers)?

I'm just looking at it from a workplace standards viewpoint and if the standards are subpar, the NHLPA should have gotten some sort compensation, otherwise it seems like poor work by their union.

However, maybe it does, despite appearances, meet all the necessary requirements?

I only know from articles I have read quoting the President and/or the owner. They stated there has been constant and ongoing discussions since the summer and both the League and the NHLPA have agreed to the temp situation.

 

[Rcknrollkillnmachine]

If the Coyotes were actually a class organization, for these 4 games they would have their players change behind the drapes, and let the visitors use the Coyote's room. Would be the right thing to do, but hey, it's the Coyotes.

As far as the NHLPA "letting this happen".... IMO they didn't let it happen, they got paid off. Don't know what it is , but there will be something minor given up in the next CBA by the NHL as a token thank you for not complaining.

That would be the quickest way for Yotes players to get on the phone to their agents and say "Trade me out of here!!!"

 

[LookintheMirror]

all because bettman refuses to swallow his pride and admit that hockey in AZ is a failure

and people wonder why no one gives a shit about the NHL compared to the 3 other major sports

Bettman is an idiot, but he loves nothing more than trying to grow hockey where it isn't part of the culture whatsoever. Where kids grow up playing almost anything BUT hockey. Still, he wants to hang on long enough for AZ to trade for Auston Matthews and then *maybe* have a SC contender that would draw a lot more fans.

We all know that non-traditional hockey markets only do well with success... LA's long history in the league is now an exception, but there's no way the Ducks, Sharks, Stars, Panthers, Bolts, Canes, or Knights would be in good shape right now if they hadn't recently won or been close to it.

 

[GMR]

What does the Coyotes' locker room look like?

I bet it's also the worst in the league.

 

[Frosty415]

The fake outrage in here is hilarious

 

[LookintheMirror]

is there another example in pro sports history of a franchise in such shambles year in, year out with such lows being kept? I want hockey to work in the desert too, it’s called Vegas.

Yes, it works well in Vegas because it was the shiny new object that was winning out of the gate with a perfectly located arena in the Entertainment Capital of the World. Arizona has a ton of Canadians and Americans from traditional hockey markets that at least temporarily live in AZ, but they still root for their home team above all else. Heck, there are more Kings fans in attendance at a game in AZ than Coyotes fans.