Coyotes 2023-24 Training Camp Discussion.

[hbk]

I once drove 16 hours round trip to watch the Coyotes lose 8-0 in Minnesota. I didn't utter a word for the entire drive home.

 

[Fyreman]

I once drove 16 hours round trip to watch the Coyotes lose 8-0 in Minnesota. I didn't utter a word for the entire drive home.

You're lucky you didnt center-punch a tree...

 

[Coyotedroppings]

50 shots on goal total. Prosvetov had 22 saves on 26 shots (.846 SV%) and was replaced with Matt Villalta who allowed 3 goals on 24 shots (.875%).

Looks like he was outplayed by Villalta a bit, but neither were able to make up for the rest of the team's mistakes.

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Come on now KYT, that's a poor use of the numbers and I'm fairly certain you know that.

 

[Kaibur]

It's a bit unfair to write off Prosvetov based on a preseason game with the C squad.

He's got consistency issues but he's still worth the development time IMO.

As a 23 year old, his first 3 NHL games he went 3-0-0 with a 1.67 and a .952.

His next 4 games were awful, when he went 1-3-0 with a .822.

He's only 24. If he can find more consistency with those early numbers, he could very well establish an NHL career for himself. Ingram and Vejmelka hadn't even played an NHL game yet at Prosvetov's age.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Come on now KYT, that's a poor use of the numbers and I'm fairly certain you know that.

Not sure what you mean, actually. Care to elaborate?

All l was really doing was pointing out that Prosvetov didn't play the entire game and face all 50 shots, along with the actual statistics for each goaltender that played, and pointed out that Villalta had a bit better SV%. Nothing non-factual or opinion based in there at all. I even pointed out that neither of them were up to task.

Edit: Earlier I said that I had written off Prosvetov at the end of last season, but this post wasn't meant to be an argument in support of that, just sharing the details we didn't have yet.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

It's a bit unfair to write off Prosvetov based on a preseason game with the C squad.

If I was writing him off based on this one game, you'd be correct.

 

[LittlePipes]

It's a bit unfair to write off Prosvetov based on a preseason game with the C squad.

He's got consistency issues but he's still worth the development time IMO.

As a 23 year old, his first 3 NHL games he went 3-0-0 with a 1.67 and a .952.

His next 4 games were awful, when he went 1-3-0 with a .822.

He's only 24. If he can find more consistency with those early numbers, he could very well establish an NHL career for himself. Ingram and Vejmelka hadn't even played an NHL game yet at Prosvetov's age.

well, here’s to hope.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Not sure what you mean, actually. Care to elaborate?

All l was really doing was pointing out that Prosvetov didn't play the entire game and face all 50 shots, along with the actual statistics for each goaltender that played, and pointed out that Villalta had a bit better SV%. Nothing non-factual or opinion based in there at all. I even pointed out that neither of them were up to task.

Edit: Earlier I said that I had written off Prosvetov at the end of last season, but this post wasn't meant to be an argument in support of that, just sharing the details we didn't have yet.

Fair enough, I read again and see that you did point out that neither tender could overcome the teams mistakes. Although having not seen the game, I can’t actually attest to same.
I just felt like the sample size was too small, with too many variables, not the least of which is in pulling the netminder the rest of the team often pull their collective heads out.


I think you exhaust all efforts for a goalie with Provestov’s athleticism.

All good.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I think you exhaust all efforts for a goalie with Provestov’s athleticism.

The franchise is sure being more patient with him than I would have been in their place. But I see more of Domingue in him than Adin Hill.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

with too many variables, not the least of which is in pulling the netminder the rest of the team often pull their collective heads out.

I haven't come across this info., but it could be that they pulled Prosvetov or it could be that it was a planned goalie change that was made pregame, to see both players. Don't know what point in the game that they swapped even.

Like you said, lots of variables.

I just don't expect much from him anymore, can't see it, would love to be wrong. Seems like he's been mostly moving in the wrong direction statistically since the 2020-21 season, even his AHL stats are unimpressive IMO so this game wasn't the deciding factor for me. It's really just another "not surprised at all" thing for me.

If I recall correctly, his SV% and GAA have been in the bottom half (or worse) of all AHL goaltenders for his entire 4 season AHL career. Very disappointing, I think. That doesn't instill confidence that he'll ever have success at an even higher level.

I do agree that it isn't fair to judge him too much for this game specifically with things being the way they were. The odds were stacked against these kids in this one.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

But I see more of Domingue in him than Adin Hill.

That sums it up good for me too

 

[GiveAFlyingPuck]

All of last weekend's cannon fodder was let go today.

 

[TheLegend]

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

Crazy that I’m two years Dzingel went from being a lock top 6 center for this team to being a dumped PTO, shows both how far the team has come and also how devastating injuries can be for some guys

 

[rt]

Crazy that I’m two years Dzingel went from being a lock top 6 center for this team to being a dumped PTO, shows both how far the team has come and also how devastating injuries can be for some guys

Winger. Never been an NHL center.

 

[TheLegend]

More releases....

 

[CoSi]

Is Lukas Hes the only ATO left standing?

 

[lanky]

I hoped Langlois would go to Tucson.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

I wish we'd just let O'Brien go and keep Jenik in that spot. he's more of a pest than O'Brien and actually has some offensive acumen, he could grow into the role.

I'm just not an O'Brien fan, he must be a helluva guy in the room, because I can't figure out what he brings on the ice.

 

[TheLegend]

 

[GiveAFlyingPuck]

I wish we'd just let O'Brien go and keep Jenik in that spot. he's more of a pest than O'Brien and actually has some offensive acumen, he could grow into the role.

I'm just not an O'Brien fan, he must be a helluva guy in the room, because I can't figure out what he brings on the ice.

He gets them free fertilizer.

 

[TheLegend]

I wish we'd just let O'Brien go and keep Jenik in that spot. he's more of a pest than O'Brien and actually has some offensive acumen, he could grow into the role.

I'm just not an O'Brien fan, he must be a helluva guy in the room, because I can't figure out what he brings on the ice.

He's leading the team in +/- right now. (and while playing against the other top lines.)

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

I wish we'd just let O'Brien go and keep Jenik in that spot. he's more of a pest than O'Brien and actually has some offensive acumen, he could grow into the role.

I'm just not an O'Brien fan, he must be a helluva guy in the room, because I can't figure out what he brings on the ice.

Eh, he's cheap and sets a tone on the ice, I'm fine with him as a 13th forward. Eventually he'll be gone and some other version of him will be signed.

I'm usually more concerned with the top 9 than the last 4-5 guys on the roster. Those guys just need to be competent defensively and bring energy/physical play, LOB does that.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

O’Brien brings needed sandpaper and enforcement needed on a team w Cooley and Keller. He can beCooly’s McSorley.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

O'Brien isn't an enforcer in any sense of the word...I think all it is is loyalty from Bear that keeps him on the team.