Speculation: Coyotes 2021 Offseason Roster Discussion Thread #2

[moosemeister]

If Vancouver is looking to move on from Schmidt (whispers he wasn’t happy there), and Arizona is looking to move on from OEL (both sides want this to be over) then wouldn’t OEL for Schmidt and Eriksson make everyone happy? Yotes get a really good partner for Chychrun on their top pair and save actual cash. Vancouver gets an upgrade on defense, and saves a bunch of aav.

I'd want one more piece in that deal from Vancouver, but yeah it wouldn't be terrible.

 

[RABBIT]

If Vancouver is looking to move on from Schmidt (whispers he wasn’t happy there), and Arizona is looking to move on from OEL (both sides want this to be over) then wouldn’t OEL for Schmidt and Eriksson make everyone happy? Yotes get a really good partner for Chychrun on their top pair and save actual cash. Vancouver gets an upgrade on defense, and saves a bunch of aav.

not a fan of this deal, I like Boston’s better, and Chychrun needs a RHS partner in my opinion

 

[rt]

I'd want one more piece in that deal from Vancouver, but yeah it wouldn't be terrible.

Add Fischer and Motte?

 

[rt]

not a fan of this deal, I like Boston’s better, and Chychrun needs a RHS partner in my opinion

Schmidt usually plays RD. He’s a LHS, though. Then again, Goligoski is LHS and was Chychrun’s RD all season.

 

[Kaizen]

Also not sure he’s worth much more now than at TDL. Maybe even less.

Absolutely - remaining cap hit will be lowest at TDL. Any contender wanting to add scoring/depth is not going to be sitting with excess cap space.

Edit: Stillman and Varady tbd. I believe there was some supposition that Varady's promotion might be only for the shortened season but time will tell.

I would expect Stillman's contract was for more than one season and I'm sure someone will confirm that.

 

[XX]

I would expect Stillman's contract was for more than one season and I'm sure someone will confirm that.

Believe Craig said it was a one year deal actually. Only Housley is under contract.

 

[rt]

Believe Craig said it was a one year deal actually. Only Housley is under contract.

That’s how I remember it too.

 

[rt]

Glad to hear BA saying he’s looking to add more pop on the back end. Like Pitlick and Larsson along forwards last year. Expecting Hakanpaa and Oleksiak to be high on his list. Which is great. We need that. We’ve needed it for a long time.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

I personally really like Kevan Miller to bring some muscle to our bottom pairings. He’s older, but he can beat the absolute crap out of guys

 

[Name Nameless]

cap is the same but revenues are in the toilet.

Nobody has commented on this. Fact is, cap is not the same(!). That's because everybody used to factor in "cap is going up" whenever long contracts were discussed. But we know now cap is not going up for many years. This means, in contract negotiations now, the AAV should be *lower* than it used to be before covid. And that's not counting in the revenues having disappeared.

 

[Name Nameless]

And another thing. I sure hope there is a handshake deal with Bunting. Or the Yotes are going to lose two players due to the Kraken. This would of course not be something anyone could comment on, but I just wanted to parrot the comments here on "Bunting is gone, right?" Ok. Pointless.

While I'm ranting. I didn't watch Nashville last season, not a single game, tbh. Is Duchene really an albatross now? What happened? 13 points in 34 games?! I know they will be in the same division, also not a good trade-partner, as they are in much of the same situation. But if he can be fixed, is there any hope of being paid for getting an actual center?

 

[87turbobuick]

Schmidt was busted for steroid use.

 

[Name Nameless]

Schmidt was busted for steroid use.

That should have been a fireable offense.

 

[hbk]

Schmidt was busted for steroid use.

Cheater cheater pumpkin eater

that has to be a Canadian phrase from my childhood. It makes absolutely no sense and i’m dumber for having said it.

 

[Jakey53]

Glad to hear BA saying he’s looking to add more pop on the back end. Like Pitlick and Larsson along forwards last year. Expecting Hakanpaa and Oleksiak to be high on his list. Which is great. We need that. We’ve needed it for a long time.

BA is probably heading to Russia as we speak to see if he can find another cheap Russian.

 

[Jakey53]

Cheater cheater pumpkin eater

that has to be a Canadian phrase from my childhood. It makes absolutely no sense and i’m dumber for having said it.

I remember that one. Vancouver should lose their first rounder for letting their players cheat.

 

[Jamieh]

I remember that one. Vancouver should lose their first rounder for letting their players cheat.

Seems rather unfair to punish Vancouver for a Knights player testing positive???

 

[XX]

wouldn’t OEL for Schmidt and Eriksson make everyone happy?

Schmidt hasn't been that guy for awhile now. That's how you end up unceremoniously chucked overboard by Vegas to begin with. He's a long way removed from his stellar play with Washington and early Vegas.

A change of scenery 1 for 1 or close to it wouldn't be the end of the world but it doesn't really solve any problems and I'd much rather be Vancouver in that scenario.

 

[Mosby]

Yep, I think you could get that done without Loui Eriksson.


edit: without***

 

[XX]

With kessel’s bonus paid, I expect him to be traded sooner rather than later. There have likely been discussions with other teams regarding him that trading him was contingent on that bonus paid, so now that that’s out of the way they can circle back.

Im just spitballing though, of course

BA isn't going to find a better player for $1m and that $5m has already come out of the budget. There's really no point in trading him now. With Tocchet out of a job, Kessel will probably stay until the TDL. Cash probably isn't a huge concern for the type of team Kessel would be willing to waive for.

To Phil's credit, he went from a dumpster fire 5v5 (-4.8 GAR) to passable (2.1 GAR). It's not impossible for Tourigny to use him in a better role in a better system to limit his defensive drawbacks.

 

[rt]

I think Schmidt compliments Chychrun well, and plays the right side. He's a lot cheaper than OEL and about as good (maybe a level down). Does not have the bounce back potential OEL does, and certainly lacks the brand recognition. A little lower floor, much lower ceiling, but owed 16 million in cash the next three years, versus OEL's 32 million. He's literally have the price and he's likely 75% of the player during that span. And he's signed for two fewer seasons.

You guys say we don't have to eat Loui Eriksson to get OEL for Schmidt done, than I say great. Antoine Roussel is owed only 1.9 in cash but has one 3aav season left. Unlike Eriksson, he's still a useful player. Great on the PK and plays hard and stirs the pot. His aav is 35% too high but his cash compensation is right on target. I'd be willing to add Fischer.

OEL+Fischer for Schmidt+Roussel saves us 3.725‬ million in cash, while costing Vancouver only 300k in aav.

Has the added benefit of very likely making both teams better, as a result. Fresh starts all around.

 

[rt]

BA isn't going to find a better player for $1m and that $5m has already come out of the budget. There's really no point in trading him now. With Tocchet out of a job, Kessel will probably stay until the TDL. Cash probably isn't a huge concern for the type of team Kessel would be willing to waive for.

To Phil's credit, he went from a dumpster fire 5v5 (-4.8 GAR) to passable (2.1 GAR). It's not impossible for Tourigny to use him in a better role in a better system to limit his defensive drawbacks.

Might as well hang onto Phil. If he's at all harmful from a cultural perspective (I'm not sold on this), it's 100% passively and not at all actively. We can live with that. Especially if it means 25 goals for a million bucks.

 

[Jakey53]

Seems rather unfair to punish Vancouver for a Knights player testing positive???

I thought this was current? Punish Vegas then.

 

[XX]

I think Schmidt compliments Chychrun well, and plays the right side. He's a lot cheaper than OEL and about as good (maybe a level down).

He was a sub replacement player last season. Goligoski smoked him in every metric. You are conjuring up a mediocre solution to a problem that doesn't even need to exist. Just give Goligoski a one year deal or literally find any defender that isn't below replacement for less than Schmidt is owed.

I wouldn't play OEL against top comp, so why would Schmidt be okay in that role? Are we trying to piss off Chychrun?

He's literally have the price and he's likely 75% of the player during that span. And he's signed for two fewer seasons.

75% of OEL is not something BA should be interested in at that AAV. It's also not something you want on the top pair.

A replacement level winger like DeBrusk + a dead contract like Moore is way better.

 

[rt]

He was a sub replacement player last season. Goligoski smoked him in every metric. You are conjuring up a mediocre solution to a problem that doesn't even need to exist. Just give Goligoski a one year deal or literally find any defender that isn't below replacement for less than Schmidt is owed.

I wouldn't play OEL against top comp, so why would Schmidt be okay in that role? Are we trying to piss off Chychrun?



75% of OEL is not something BA should be interested in at that AAV. It's also not something you want on the top pair.

A replacement level winger like DeBrusk + a dead contract like Moore is way better.

I'm not going to let fancy stats take the wheel completely on my opinion of Schmidt. But nonetheless, I agree with your overall point of getting shorter/cheaper ways of getting out from under OEL.