Speculation: Coyotes 2021 Offseason Roster Discussion Thread #1

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According to Czech news Dmitrij Jaskin has terminated his contract with Dynamo Moscow and it's speculated that he will sign with Arizona. I don't see any information about it on HFBoards though. Have I missed it somewhere?
 

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According to Czech news Dmitrij Jaskin has terminated his contract with Dynamo Moscow and it's speculated that he will sign with Arizona. I don't see any information about it on HFBoards though. Have I missed it somewhere?
Been discussed. GMBA announced he was gonna bring in some players from Europe.

Jaskin - Larsson - Jenik
 

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According to Czech news Dmitrij Jaskin has terminated his contract with Dynamo Moscow and it's speculated that he will sign with Arizona. I don't see any information about it on HFBoards though. Have I missed it somewhere?

Been discussed. GMBA announced he was gonna bring in some players from Europe.

Jaskin - Larsson - Jenik

Current suspicion is that the signing will happen after the expansion draft, in order to avoid protection issues.
 

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Does anyone really know for sure? Matthews is a celeb in Toronto.

Auston can’t come out and just say he’s coming here when his contract is up publicly.

He can tell his friends and family his intentions are to come home when his contract is up and play here. Who then relay that message onto others. Haha
 
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Like Shane Doan? Maybe get a sniff at a WCF run?
Hard choice between two flailing franchises indeed. Good for him, he’ll have other options.
 

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I think we are seeing the start of a new generation of player movement. Young stars sign BIG $ deals and then walk as UFA's to their preferred destination.

But our former GM didn't understand this.

Or did he???
 

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The post said "stars".

Yeah, Chychrun is awful.:sarcasm:

Schmaltz is 11th highest, Dvorak 19th, and Keller is the 5th highest scoring F from his draft class (I get it - doesn't mean they are stars, but not many young players jump in for immediate success, either.)

Maybe the reality is exactly what was being searched for - it is more likely for players to be at their best between the ages of 21-30 than say, 26-35, in looking at a 10 yr span. So, maximize the early part so that we don't overpay on the downside of careers.

But I forgot that every year, every team is guaranteed "star" players.
 
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Yeah, Chychrun is awful.:sarcasm:

Schmaltz is 11th highest, Dvorak 19th, and Keller is the 5th highest scoring F from his draft class (I get it - doesn't mean they are stars, but not many young players jump in for immediate success, either.)

Maybe the reality is exactly what was being searched for - it is more likely for players to be at their best between the ages of 21-30 than say, 26-35, in looking at a 10 yr span. So, maximize the early part so that we don't overpay on the downside of careers.

But I forgot that every year, every team is guaranteed "star" players.
Chychrun is a better example of stars who sign for less years and get to UFA isn't he??
 

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Chychrun is a better example of stars who sign for less years and get to UFA isn't he??

Considering we signed him after he had yet to play a full season, we did not take the risk of longer term (7-8 years).

The question was young players to big money deals. Not all of them are guaranteed to max out their deals. But this would have certainly been more dollars than say, a 2 yr, $2.0 M per yr bridge deal that bumps up to 2 yr, $3.0 M the next go around, no?

The other question is does this buy you good faith from the club who drafted you? If we had done the bridge deal thing, maybe Chychrun would be longing to leave because we didn't bet on him. In doing this, maybe it makes it more likely that he will negotiate with us after his deal is up, because we took that risk.
 

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Considering we signed him after he had yet to play a full season, we did not take the risk of longer term (7-8 years).

The question was young players to big money deals. Not all of them are guaranteed to max out their deals. But this would have certainly been more dollars than say, a 2 yr, $2.0 M per yr bridge deal that bumps up to 2 yr, $3.0 M the next go around, no?

The other question is does this buy you good faith from the club who drafted you? If we had done the bridge deal thing, maybe Chychrun would be longing to leave because we didn't bet on him. In doing this, maybe it makes it more likely that he will negotiate with us after his deal is up, because we took that risk.
No argument but the talk was stars signing shorter than allowable to get to free agency quicker. Chychrun doesn't fit the example Chayka was apparently setting with Keller.
 

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No argument but the talk was stars signing shorter than allowable to get to free agency quicker. Chychrun doesn't fit the example Chayka was apparently setting with Keller.

Understood. Maybe the implication was due to higher production from Keller in rookie year, which lended the thought that there was more $ and years willing to be provided.

But yeah, those two concepts don't always match - signing someone to a 5 yr deal so that they hit FA sooner is not the best, as you would prefer to keep them. The only logic I could think is that in year 4 of that 5 yr deal, you then approach with another extension for as long as possible.
 

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Understood. Maybe the implication was due to higher production from Keller in rookie year, which lended the thought that there was more $ and years willing to be provided.

But yeah, those two concepts don't always match - signing someone to a 5 yr deal so that they hit FA sooner is not the best, as you would prefer to keep them. The only logic I could think is that in year 4 of that 5 yr deal, you then approach with another extension for as long as possible.
When Chayka was doing those deals I thought he was either a genius or would bury the Franchise. I'm still not sure which it is for that strategy?? Right now imo Chick is a win, Dvo a slight win, Keller a loss, OEL a loss, and Schmaltz a slight loss. The overall cost might just be a wash but that core not exactly strong??
 

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When Chayka was doing those deals I thought he was either a genius or would bury the Franchise. I'm still not sure which it is for that strategy?? Right now imo Chick is a win, Dvo a slight win, Keller a loss, OEL a loss, and Schmaltz a slight loss. The overall cost might just be a wash but that core not exactly strong??

I have Schmaltz as a slight win. To-may-toe. To-mah-tow.

I wonder if some of this was also trying to position the team as willing to do this type of thing. Historically, the Coyotes were always a team that would not go this route. Not saying that it was correct to do so, but this may have changed some perception around the league for our own draftees and other players who would be upcoming FAs.

Many players may have thought they were headed to rookie/under 25 purgatory or that the team would not be willing to spend.
 

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When Chayka was doing those deals I thought he was either a genius or would bury the Franchise.
I'm pretty sure you've been one of the most vocal complainers since those contracts were signed. Never seemed like you were undecided on the matter til now.
 
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Serious question.

What would it take to get Matthews this summer?

Chych, Dvo and Keller? Too much? Not enough?
 

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Serious question.

What would it take to get Matthews this summer?

Chych, Dvo and Keller? Too much? Not enough?

Serious answer: The Coyotes do not have the ammo to make anything other than minor trades or relatively straight across swaps. In no way are the Coyotes capable of pulling off a trade for a 1C at this point in time. Every permutation nets you a team that is worse off short and long term. It's that expensive.
 
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