OT: Coronavirus XXI: School is Back in Session

[Raab]

I agree but would like to think there's some type of light at the end of the tunnel.

All we keep seeing is more darkness.

Yep, every time we turn around its something else. It feels like this will never end.

 

[MaxR11]

I agree but would like to think there's some type of light at the end of the tunnel.

All we keep seeing is more darkness.

Chin up! We're lucky (most of us at least). This ordeal has only been 6-7 months so far. Relatively short in comparison to other even darker events in our history. Hopefully we see that light as the winter passes.

 

[Drivesaitl]

From growing up with an RN as a Mom, I'll just say that there's more to this than what the article, and finance minister, are suggesting.

Yeah like what? Like the bs Doctors stated saying they'll leave the province if they huff and puff and don't get their way, and then none of that happening, and the College actually adding around 125 doctors over the course of the year?

Talk is often just that, and union talk is almost ALWAYS just pure posturing for more money.

Would like to see a little less conflict all round, between Health care staff and govt, during a pandemic. Both sides have fault in this. But I can see govt taking a hard line on maintaining costs and they have to. Doctors seem to do very well here. None of them are leaving.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I agree but would like to think there's some type of light at the end of the tunnel.

All we keep seeing is more darkness.

Generationally we've never even faced real hardship of any kind. Sorry, but true.

These are the best of times for the human race in the first world. It doesn't ever be better than this. It will be good again.

Thats the one positive from someone like Trump that more people could be remembering. Things will be better.

Death rates through Covid are dropping immensely in all areas where this has been raging for several months. Thats good news in itself.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Hows everyone liking socialism so far?

I like your post anyway, hehe

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

Another big jump:

277 new cases
2,225 active cases
86 in Hospitals
11 in intensive care
282 Deaths

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

1,329 active cases in Edmonton zone.

 

[MaxR11]

Another big jump:

277 new cases
2,225 active cases
86 in Hospitals
11 in intensive care
282 Deaths

Didn't we have ~60 or under 60 hospitalizations just a couple days ago/within the last week? That's a significant jump in hospitalizations. Not surprising. It's happening.... the lag the experts were talking about. First the rise in "healthy" population... then follows the vulnerable community inevitably weeks later. Will this be really bad for hospitals in a couple weeks time?....

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

Didn't we have ~60 or under 60 hospitalizations just a couple days ago/within the last week? That's a significant jump in hospitalizations. Not surprising. It's happening.... the lag the experts were talking about. First the rise in "healthy" population... then follows the vulnerable community inevitably weeks later. Will this be really bad for hospitals in a couple weeks time?....

See what happens.

 

[Dorian2]

Yeah like what? Like the bs Doctors stated saying they'll leave the province if they huff and puff and don't get their way, and then none of that happening, and the College actually adding around 125 doctors over the course of the year?

Talk is often just that, and union talk is almost ALWAYS just pure posturing for more money.

Would like to see a little less conflict all round, between Health care staff and govt, during a pandemic. Both sides have fault in this. But I can see govt taking a hard line on maintaining costs and they have to. Doctors seem to do very well here. None of them are leaving.

Just relating what I saw going down during the Klein era from all 3 sides of the position. I'm in no position to answer "and what?" That may be for an actual person that works in the field. I don't.

 

[AM]

Hows everyone liking socialism so far?

I think you mean authoritarianism, if I had to guess.

 

[AM]

Yeah like what? Like the bs Doctors stated saying they'll leave the province if they huff and puff and don't get their way, and then none of that happening, and the College actually adding around 125 doctors over the course of the year?

Talk is often just that, and union talk is almost ALWAYS just pure posturing for more money.

Would like to see a little less conflict all round, between Health care staff and govt, during a pandemic. Both sides have fault in this. But I can see govt taking a hard line on maintaining costs and they have to. Doctors seem to do very well here. None of them are leaving.

If the government unions were as considerate and as full of couth as trump then their message would be MUGA, make unions great again. Unfortunately all their reason detra is MUPA, make unions paid again. And with globalism and free trade, the only place possible is where they can vote themselves a kleptocracy.

 

[Raab]

I think you mean authoritarianism, if I had to guess.

Basically the same thing

 

[MaxR11]

Minimizing surge in COVID-19 cases ‘a real mistake,’ experts say

Infectious disease specialists say a recent surge in COVID-19 cases that surpasses a spike last spring must not be shrugged off as merely a byproduct of increased testing.
“I think minimizing right now is a real mistake,” said Dr. Lynora Saxinger of the University of Alberta.
“People are not wanting to believe that this is a thing, because I think they don’t want to return to the state that we were living in earlier in the year. That’s a dangerous path to take and we should be much more precautionary right now.”

 

[Raab]

If the government unions were as considerate and as full of couth as trump then their message would be MUGA, make unions great again. Unfortunately all their reason detra is MUPA, make unions paid again. And with globalism and free trade, the only place possible is where they can vote themselves a kleptocracy.

I don't understand why in pretty well every industry we agree monopolies are bad. But then turn around and have monopolies in the Nurses union and Teachers union. While the government has the monopoly on healthcare. Best way to get rid of the union problems is to break the monopoly.

 

[AM]

Basically the same thing

An egg and a chicken are the s as me thing?

 

[McGoMcD]

I agree but would like to think there's some type of light at the end of the tunnel.

All we keep seeing is more darkness.

There has been a huge light at the end of the tunnel and it has been there for months if people want to see it. So I know I know I am the guy going on about how it isn't a big deal. So I am just brainwashed etc..... something something.

Seriously though. There was a time when it was possible that the IMR could be as high as 5%...... Now even the experts suggest it is .1% or so. That is massive. Sure, it is still an issue, but come one. If your still doom and gloom you just aren't really paying attention. Is Covid a serious issue, yes, of course. But, months ago the worst case was proven to be not true at all.

Also, even the .1% was before a whole pile of treatments. I think the IMR now, is probably closer to .05%...... Let's not lose track of reality. About 1% of people die every year. The realistic life expectancy of people who die of Covid without Covid is probably on average a few months. Sure, that still sucks. Still terrible for those that lose their lives and still clearly a public health problem.

However, doomsday people just need to see what is right in front of their faces.

 

[McGoMcD]

I don't understand why in pretty well every industry we agree monopolies are bad. But then turn around and have monopolies in the Nurses union and Teachers union. While the government has the monopoly on healthcare. Best way to get rid of the union problems is to break the monopoly.

Ya, I can't over the world now. The left thinks police monopolies are the worst thing ever, and we should completely abolish them. Yet, they are massive behind teacher and Nurse unions.... ok.....

 

[kevy999]

I agree but would like to think there's some type of light at the end of the tunnel.

All we keep seeing is more darkness.

You need to get out more. Go for a run or get healthier. Your brain deteriorates watching media and reading covid stats and articles every day. I really feel bad that your day is consumed with worry and stress over a very harmless virus to most. Maybe just pick up a new hobby and focus on something else. I genuinely mean that. Its not healthy to worry so much

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

You need to get out more. Go for a run or get healthier. Your brain deteriorates watching media and reading covid stats and articles every day. I really feel bad that your day is consumed with worry and stress over a very harmless virus to most. Maybe just pick up a new hobby and focus on something else. I genuinely mean that. Its not healthy to worry so much

I'm not depressed, I'm just annoyed at how this continues to drag on and on and on.

 

[kevy999]

I'm not depressed, I'm just annoyed at how this continues to drag on and on and on.

like I said this will be a seasonal thing probably. You just learn to deal with it. The problem is governments will close down businesses again and ruin people's livelihoods again and control what we did for as long as they want. They may never give back some of your rights long after this over. They know now all you do is have to put fear in people and they will obey whatever you say.

 

[Stoneman89]

Regarding the outbreaks at the Miz. I asked my wife, with her being a nurse, how this could happen in a place you would think would be the most protected and have the most stringent conditions, especially with all the info we now have, etc. She said a patient can come in with COVID, get isolated, and then hospital people come in with their masks and gloves, but get careless, thinking they are fully protected, and then wind up getting it through cross contamination. She said it's understated how many hospital workers wind up fidgeting with their masks, and then wind up getting it this way. Air droplets are a potential way to get infected, of course, but cross contamination is likely being overlooked, not only in hospitals, but everywhere else.

 

[Skar]

Generationally we've never even faced real hardship of any kind. Sorry, but true.

These are the best of times for the human race in the first world. It doesn't ever be better than this. It will be good again.

Thats the one positive from someone like Trump that more people could be remembering. Things will be better.

Death rates through Covid are dropping immensely in all areas where this has been raging for several months. Thats good news in itself.

Times will always get better until we go extinct. That doesn't make current problems insignificant. We should always be looking for ways to improve standards of living, and not try to brush aside current problems because overall it's not as bad as it was before.

WW2 was absolutely devastating. Before that, goofs were hanging each other and calling each other witches. Before that, the Black Death annihilated hundreds of millions. Before that, cavemen were getting shredded by animals while trying to go out and hunt. Before even all that, our ancestors were minding their own business when they get stomped on by a dinosaur or something.

Not even going to touch your Trump takes.

 

[Frank the Tank]

There has been a huge light at the end of the tunnel and it has been there for months if people want to see it. So I know I know I am the guy going on about how it isn't a big deal. So I am just brainwashed etc..... something something.

Seriously though. There was a time when it was possible that the IMR could be as high as 5%...... Now even the experts suggest it is .1% or so. That is massive. Sure, it is still an issue, but come one. If your still doom and gloom you just aren't really paying attention. Is Covid a serious issue, yes, of course. But, months ago the worst case was proven to be not true at all.

Also, even the .1% was before a whole pile of treatments. I think the IMR now, is probably closer to .05%...... Let's not lose track of reality. About 1% of people die every year. The realistic life expectancy of people who die of Covid without Covid is probably on average a few months. Sure, that still sucks. Still terrible for those that lose their lives and still clearly a public health problem.

However, doomsday people just need to see what is right in front of their faces.

Can you please cite your source for 0.05-0.1% for IFR (or IMR)?

I ask because in recent months numerous publications coalesced on an IFR of 0.6 (+/- 0.15)%. I would be interested to read a study that calculates a value significantly outside the minimum error range.