OT: Coronavirus XXI: School is Back in Session

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AM

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The funniest part is how they’re trying to convince us schools opening has nothing to do with the increases we’re seeing the last couple weeks.

Opening schools basically green lit a free for all. You don’t get to say it’s fine to have classrooms with 30 kids in it but gathering of 10-20 people in a house isn’t ok.
I disagree entirely. I think they do get to say that children going to school is important. And that other activities should be curtailed to allow for the schooling at a manageable r0. Much like the idea that allowing hockey to go would lead to a higher r0 because of viewing parties, the social interaction which has followed school opening is an issue. I guess from an oilers perspective our team was looking out for our health by losing early. Reminds me of the joke about living longer, or maybe it only seems likes it’s longer.
 
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Big waste of time today with the voluntary restrictions announced today. The ones who haven't been following protocols aren't going to pay attention to these new ones.


Voluntary restrictions will actually get more compliance.
 
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The city is quite a bit different than the 80s-90s, even early 2000s in the type of people that reside here. I do love the influx of new people from different countries and cultures and they are mostly good people who add a new flavor to the city but there also seems to be an influx of really inconsiderate a-holes too from who knows where (other parts of canada and the province?). Or is it just the younger kids are just less respectful? Who knows. I hate those numbnuts who rip around the city at all hours in there super loud race cars acting like they're in some kind of Fast and Furious movie. It's not even an exaggeration... these dopes do worship that movie franchise and even hang out in parking lots with scantily clad bit**es to make them feel cool.
The kids are ok as far as I can see. If you have an issue with what a neighbour is doing, I suggest you talk to them.
 
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Another COVID lockdown will crush small businesses: Survey | Toronto Sun

"Kelly said he’s had 60,000 calls from small business owners since the pandemic started, twice as many as he’d get normally.
“And more than a handful came from owners considering suicide. They’re watching their life’s dream slip through their fingers,” Kelly said. “That’s how dark this has become.

I'm already contemplating shutting down until market demand improves. Christmas is usually my busy season but everything is cancelled for this year. After a slow summer, I don't see how I can keep this going. On a side note the government has done NOTHING for small business. The CEBA had many restrictions, and needs to be paid back. Many small business owners also don't qualify. They also made it so only businesses operating prior to March 1st showing a reduction due to Covid can apply. Well what happens to the guy who quit his job in February to start a business? He can't apply for ANY help at all. It shows that once again government is giving handouts to billionaires while the little guys suffer.
 
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Raab

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So the good news, and we can use some, is death rates in the apparent wave are down everywhere in Europe. All the countries getting a severe bounceback in cases are seeing far less deaths. Now this could be a temporal effect that some of those cases have not run their course yet, but it seems what is circulating is resulting in far less deaths. Globally this is a consistent pattern in countries that are seeing this wave a 2nd time. Even in Canada we are looking at around 30 deaths per day nationally on average and at peak of first wave we were looking at around 170 deaths per day.

US also with far less daily deaths than they were seeing at peak. Around 650 now compared to peak average of around 22oo. This is very significant pattern. Again the pattern is any country in a 2nd wave is seeing profoundly reduced deaths. This in count numbers and in rate per cases or rate per population.

Countries seeing this the first time are not following this pattern.

From a layman pov what this suggests is areas that have been exposed to this virus since last winter or spring have possibly some developing immunity to dying from this. I mean in time it gets in everything. Deactivated cells are in our sewage run off, water supply, air, probably our food chain by now. Exposure to deactivated virii is known to produce some immunity and indeed is what a lot of vaccines are historically composed of.

Now the uncertain part is whether Edmonton area really had enough exposure in first wave to even really have that effect here. In other words Edmonton is going through either a first or second wave now. But optimistically the Canadian death rates now from covid suggest we are in the less lethal 2nd stage of this pandemic. The numbers over the next week or two will tell us a lot.

This is not a second wave, its a continuation of the first wave with everything opening back up. If it was a second wave Sweden would be seeing an increase, which they're not. If there was no shutdown and lack of movement. The people dying now would have died in the first wave. Were in a Casedemic now which also happened in 2009 with H1N1
 

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GretzkytoKurri9917

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what does this isolated incident prove, other than scare people?
yes, having the Corona virus would suck if it affects you like this...just like getting pneumonia sucks, or getting mono sucks or getting a pulmonary embolism from a cold sucks, like my wife got

That not everyone that ended up in the Hospital has been seniors?
 

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That not everyone that ended up in the Hospital has been seniors?
People who aren't seniors have ended up in hospital for a cold and flu too . I fail to see the point. In fact more younger people end up in the hospital for the regular flu than the Wuhan flu. But of course in both cases a very small percentage and most had health problems already.
 
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Dorian2

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Just a lame attempt for sympathy. Looks like many people I have seen with the flu. I guess the facts hurt you. The average age of death is 84 in Alberta and most deaths in long term facilities. Those are facts!!! Why can't you address the facts instead of posting a video of a girl who we know nothing about coughing in a hospital bed . Like really??? What does that have to do with the actual stats of how it used very rare anyone healthy dies of this of any age. And the average age of death is 84 years old in Alberta. Heck even unhealthy people who get this, the majority are fine. Those are facts!!

wow.
 

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This is not a second wave, its a continuation of the first wave with everything opening back up. If it was a second wave Sweden would be seeing an increase, which they're not. If there was no shutdown and lack of movement. The people dying now would have died in the first wave. Were in a Casedemic now which also happened in 2009 with H1N1

What its called is immaterial to the point I made. Less of a rate of people are dying of this pandemic now in places where its been around most of a year, which is a positive point.
 

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MaxR11

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Here we go again.

Revolving Door.

2020 can't end soon enough.

Ya it sucks. If people were being more responsible and keeping numbers lower or more moderate there would be no need for shut downs. It's their own doing.
 

GretzkytoKurri9917

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Ya it sucks. If people were being more responsible and keeping numbers lower or more moderate there would be no need for shut downs. It's their own doing.


I agree but would like to think there's some type of light at the end of the tunnel.

All we keep seeing is more darkness.
 
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