OT: Coronavirus VII: No Unrelated Politics Talk

[harpoon]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.08.20057794v1.full.pdf

It seems like an accepted fact that the elderly are more prone to serious complications/death if they get the virus. I’ve been looking around trying to find information on what other underlying health/risk factors may impact a person's response to the virus.

For those who may be interested there are tables on page 18 and 19 of the link above that breakdown the findings of this study. Just information. Not claiming this is some kind of definitive conclusion.

 

[bucks_oil]

Another quiet COVID-19 day, no new cases in Manitoba

That's great news for Manitoba. In all seriousness... now give it some time and keep the borders closed (are the borders closed?) ... three days is a great start.

In less seriousness: Thank goodness the miles and miles of wheat will be safe. Hopefully we are just weeks away of reopening the Polo Park Mall and perhaps the Smitty's in Steinbach. Always loved their Banana Cream Pie. What this world needs right now is provinces and states with the population density of Manitoba to show us all how it's done.

 

[BlackDogg]

That's great news for Manitoba. In all seriousness... now give it some time and keep the borders closed (are the borders closed?) ... three days is a great start.

In less seriousness: Thank goodness the miles and miles of wheat will be safe. Hopefully we are just weeks away of reopening the Polo Park Mall and perhaps the Smitty's in Steinbach. Always loved their Banana Cream Pie. What this world needs right now is provinces and states with the population density of Manitoba to show us all how it's done.

No airport may have something to do with less cases

 

[doulos]

I hope you're stopped by the cops and fined.

I won't be.

 

[48g90a138pts]

No airport may have something to do with less cases

This never gets old

 

[Frank the Tank]

3 stores in our area have limited amounts of toilet paper back in stock. Our long national nightmare may be coming to an end... now it's hair clippers and meat that are worth their weight in gold.

 

[I am the Liquor]

One thing I havent seen mentioned here in regards to older people and their mortality rate with Covid infections is.......they often have DNR’s or Goals of Care that may limit what medical practitioners can do in regards to resuscitation or even medical care depending on what the patient’s wishes were in those documents.

 

[BlackDogg]

3 stores in our area have limited amounts of toilet paper back in stock. Our long national nightmare may be coming to an end... now it's hair clippers and meat that are worth their weight in gold.

Conair cutters are getting hard to find. Conair movies - not so much. Nick Cage movies seldom sell out.

 

[bucks_oil]

Trump halts World Health Organization funding over handling of coronavirus outbreak - CNNPolitics

WHO just had their funding cut by the US till a review of a possible coverup over the spread of the virus in China takes place.

Should be fairly cut and dry. I mean we were all there when WHO finally declared a pandemic right?

Here is the definition... I cut and paste it from a position paper on their own website: A pandemic is defined as “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”.

Here is the WHO's own Situation Report ONE FULL WEEK before they declared a pandemic.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...0304-sitrep-44-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=93937f92_6

Key points: 76 countries already infected. Nearly 100,000 infected. I count across 6 of 7 continents (and Antarctica isn't shown)


People can say that they were already sounding the alarm bell... but the fact of the matter is that PANDEMIC means something, and we were already well past that point. Importantly, it MEANS SOMETHING in many countries as a matter of LAW... and allows certain actions/funding/etc to be enacted.

They were coerced certainly to avoid calling it what it ALREADY WAS....

If we can't trust them to speak plainly in times of crisis, when local/regional/national politicians are too afraid to do so (or perhaps have vested interests to the contrary)... then WTF are they there for again? If we just want to fund vaccines for kids, we can give our money to UNICEF or GATES FOUNDATION.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I can understand your anger/frustration and I knew there would be people who would respond this way after continually seeing leaders that are hypocritical and often idiotic (do what I say not what I do)... but as a society we still have to try and protect the vulnerable among us so thank you for at least being careful and taking precautions going forward and realizing that others could get sick and die from this if a large segment of society starts disregarding social distancing and takes a "don't give a shit anymore" attitude.

Personally some people that are close to me have probably about a 1 in 6 chance of dying if they get this virus so I really don't have the option of saying to hell with it and disregarding social distancing and stop being as careful as I can be. I've got to hope that the large majority of people out there feel the same way because the most vulnerable in society will pay the ultimate price until they develop a vaccine for this virus (or at least very effective treatments for those that come down with covid-19).

Its nice that those people are close to you, but is that really required for anybody to just do the right thing for EVERYBODY? That should be pretty open and shut, regardless of ones personal affiliations. Anybody is vulnerable, some more than others. Isolation is still required.

Some person here in several posts is telling us he's pulling the plug on isolation and going to resume normal, as offensive as that is, because the poster in question can't be bothered to continue to engage in any effort. The poster in question 2mths ago was telling the board he didn't care about the virus, didn't care that it was impacting the world, and said it wouldn't occur here. Several posters are aware of the statements, ftr.

 

[Morpheus]

Conair cutters are getting hard to find. Conair movies - not so much. Nick Cage movies seldom sell out.

I’m not going with a ‘Covid cut’ I’m gonna call it a ‘Conair McDavid’.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I can understand your anger/frustration and I knew there would be people who would respond this way after continually seeing leaders that are hypocritical and often idiotic (do what I say not what I do)... but as a society we still have to try and protect the vulnerable among us so thank you for at least being careful and taking precautions going forward and realizing that others could get sick and die from this if a large segment of society starts disregarding social distancing and takes a "don't give a shit anymore" attitude.

Personally some people that are close to me have probably about a 1 in 6 chance of dying if they get this virus so I really don't have the option of saying to hell with it and disregarding social distancing and stop being as careful as I can be. I've got to hope that the large majority of people out there feel the same way because the most vulnerable in society will pay the ultimate price until they develop a vaccine for this virus (or at least very effective treatments for those that come down with covid-19).

Its nice that those people are close to you, but is that really required for anybody to just do the right thing for EVERYBODY? That should be pretty open and shut, regardless of ones personal affiliations. Anybody is vulnerable, some more than others. Isolation is still required.

Some poster now saying in several posts he's pulling the plug on isolation and going to resume normal, as offensive as that is, because the poster in question can't be bothered to continue to engage in any effort. The poster in question 2mths ago was telling the board he didn't care about the virus, didn't care that it was impacting the world, and said it wouldn't impact here. Several posters are aware of the statements, ftr. The poster was never on board regarding the threat of this virus, and stated never really caring about the threat of the virus. It wasn't going to impact him.

That's the poster you're responding to.

Deserves to be mentioned.

Some interesting takes on Coronavirus views here starting back in January. From page 58 0n.

OT: - The OT Thread Part 5: New HF Talk

 

[Drivesaitl]

That's some pretty f***ing selfish bullshit. Everyone else is sacrificing their time and freedom for the greater good, and here you are saying you'll be out doing whatever you want.

Thank you for calling it out.

 

[Dorian2]

One thing I havent seen mentioned here in regards to older people and their mortality rate with Covid infections is.......they often have DNR’s or Goals of Care that may limit what medical practitioners can do in regards to resuscitation or even medical care depending on what the patient’s wishes were in those documents.

Interesting topic. Along with the so many other variables contributing to lack of any real life numbers and qualifiers. I guess we have to wait for the real numbers to appear, and their context.

 

[BlackDogg]

I’m not going with a ‘Covid cut’ I’m gonna call it a ‘Conair McDavid’.

There you go. They should put his number on those things.

 

[soothsayer]

I’m not going with a ‘Covid cut’ I’m gonna call it a ‘Conair McDavid’.

 

[BlackDogg]

I’m not going with a ‘Covid cut’ I’m gonna call it a ‘Conair McDavid’.

McDavid had the Covid cut long before this started. Hopefully he can get the Conair machine he needs just like Nicholas.

 

[doulos]

Its nice that those people are close to you, but is that really required for anybody to just do the right thing for EVERYBODY? That should be pretty open and shut, regardless of ones personal affiliations. Anybody is vulnerable, some more than others. Isolation is still required.

Some poster now saying in several posts he's pulling the plug on isolation and going to resume normal, as offensive as that is, because the poster in question can't be bothered to continue to engage in any effort. The poster in question 2mths ago was telling the board he didn't care about the virus, didn't care that it was impacting the world, and said it wouldn't impact here. Several posters are aware of the statements, ftr. The poster was never on board regarding the threat of this virus, and stated never really caring about the threat of the virus. It wasn't going to impact him.

That's the poster you're responding to.

Deserves to be mentioned.

Some interesting takes on Coronavirus views here starting back in January. From page 5 0n.

OT: - The OT Thread Part 5: New HF Talk

This someone is glad that you disagree with them. It means this someone is totally on the right track. This someone also made it clear that this someone was NOT going to resume normal life but just not going to enjoy a full lockdown like the rest of you suckers. Enjoy your summer posting on HF boards confined to your house while myself and apparantly our federal leadership will be bending those rules at times to get a break since we are accepting the risks and are taking all precautions required (all things said by those members of government that are now completely allowed by citizens it seems!)

Fool me once, shame on me. In the words of a great band, wont be fooled again!

 

[nexttothemoon]

Its nice that those people are close to you, but is that really required for anybody to just do the right thing for EVERYBODY? That should be pretty open and shut, regardless of ones personal affiliations. Anybody is vulnerable, some more than others. Isolation is still required.

Some person here in several posts is telling us he's pulling the plug on isolation and going to resume normal, as offensive as that is, because the poster in question can't be bothered to continue to engage in any effort. The poster in question 2mths ago was telling the board he didn't care about the virus, didn't care that it was impacting the world, and said it wouldn't occur here. Several posters are aware of the statements, ftr.

I agree... and I personally would stay isolated and practice social distancing as much as possible (like I have been doing) even if I didn't have people close to me that were particularly vulnerable.

What I can't do is change what other people do... some people are going to go against what I (and most others) feel members of society should be doing for the good of us all and so all I can do is say please at least "try" and stay away from people and take precautions and don't go completely rogue and endanger lives by blatantly ignoring all and every piece of common sense in a show of "defiance and resistance" to the government overlords and "freedom takers" that seem to have infiltrated their minds to the level that they now feel the need to say "f*** it all" at least to some degree.

 

[Drivesaitl]

^^Doulos, always on the right hot track...





doulos

What we don't need are people freaking out and causing issues over something that is likely to cause barely a blip in Canada.​

doulos, Jan 28, 2020

Doulos; "There isn't a need for a full travel ban in China. Less than 5k people have acquired coronavirus in China, and less than 100 on the rest of the entire planet. Just over 100 have died in China and 0 across the rest of the world, with basically everyone who has died being elderly or with compromised immune systems/other issues.

I suspect many of the people freaking out over this are the same people who don't bother to get a flu shot every year, and that's going to kill magnitudes more."​

doulos
Registered User

"More people are likely to die from lightning strikes this year than the coronavirus. The proper thing to do when there is a thunderstorm is to probably stay inside, or at the very least not go golfing.

It's the same thing here. Most countries are fully equipped to handle these types of situations. Canada in particular. But you take proper precautions. The worry is this:

"Let me be clear, this declaration is not a vote of no confidence in China," Tedros said. "Our greatest concern is the potential for the virus to spread to countries with weaker health systems."

The worry is that it spreads to somewhere like India where it could really spread. So, they declare the emergency, and all hands on board to make sure it doesn't happen. By and large this situation has been handled fairly well - never perfectly of course.

I'm not worried about lightning strikes, and I'm not worried about this. This is not the plague. "



doulos
Registered User

Like 200 people outside of China even have it. 0 deaths.

Let's keep the fear train rolling.​

doulos, Jan 31, 2020


doulos
Registered User

I am of the opinion that posts such as yours are grossly irresponsible and do nothing except stoke fear among people.

The worst of the internet age.​

doulos, Jan 27, 2020

I disagree wholeheartedly with your take. I've read enough on this issue to not be concerned with it any more than I was with SARS, which was very little at all. I don't forsee any situation where me adding any information to this thread will do anything except encourage you to post 87 giant diatribes on why you are correct. I'm not interested in it.

I maintain that there is massive overreaction to this issue by the general public and that posts such as yours are grossly irresponsible. Just my opinion on this matter.​

doulos, Jan 27, 2020


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[doulos]

I agree... and I personally would stay isolated and practice social distancing as much as possible (like I have been doing) even if I didn't have people close to me that were particularly vulnerable.

What I can't do is change what other people do... some people are going to go against what I (and most others) feel members of society should be doing for the good of us all and so all I can do is say please at least "try" and stay away from people and take precautions and don't go completely rogue and endanger lives by blatantly ignoring all and every piece of common sense in a show of "defiance and resistance" to the government overlords and "freedom takers" that seem to have infiltrated their minds to the level that they now feel the need to say "f*** it all" at least to some degree.

I refuse to be treated like a lesser citizen and willingly give up my freedoms while those in power refuse to do likewise. So, while I still will largely practice physical distancing and do what needs to be done to keep people safe, I am not going to be avoiding some of the activities that bring richness to my own life that are currently frowned upon by others or asked of by the government who can't be bothered to do the same. If that makes me a bad person I will gladly accept that title.

 

[Burnoutboi]

3 stores in our area have limited amounts of toilet paper back in stock. Our long national nightmare may be coming to an end... now it's hair clippers and meat that are worth their weight in gold.

Yeast is the new toilet paper, at least where I live.

 

[Senor Catface]

This someone is glad that you disagree with them. It means this someone is totally on the right track. This someone also made it clear that this someone was NOT going to resume normal life but just not going to enjoy a full lockdown like the rest of you suckers. Enjoy your summer posting on HF boards confined to your house while myself and apparantly our federal leadership will be bending those rules at times to get a break since we are accepting the risks and are taking all precautions required (all things said by those members of government that are now completely allowed by citizens it seems!)

Fool me once, shame on me. In the words of a great band, wont be fooled again!

This doesn't seem like a good look for you. There's posters I don't like, posters I disagree with, posters that are honestly....loony.

And that's just Drivesaitl.

Ok, but seriously. It's not normal to dismiss someone as automatically being wrong just because who they are. Maybe take a break on the subject for a few days and retouch it.

 

[Nostradumbass]

I refuse to be treated like a lesser citizen and willingly give up my freedoms while those in power refuse to do likewise. So, while I still will largely practice physical distancing and do what needs to be done to keep people safe, I am not going to be avoiding some of the activities that bring richness to my own life that are currently frowned upon by others or asked of by the government who can't be bothered to do the same. If that makes me a bad person I will gladly accept that title.

Bad, selfish person who lacks empathy.

 

[doulos]

This doesn't seem like a good look for you. There's posters I don't like, posters I disagree with, posters that are honestly....loony.

And that's just Drivesaitl.

Ok, but seriously. It's not normal to dismiss someone as automatically being wrong just because who they are. Maybe take a break on the subject for a few days and retouch it.

I dismiss Replacement because of years and years of history. Not just because of who they are.

I would encourage you to go back and read the entire thread and see why I posted those specific things in response to what he said. I stand by it 100%