OT: Coronavirus VII: No Unrelated Politics Talk

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Should be fairly cut and dry. I mean we were all there when WHO finally declared a pandemic right?

Here is the definition... I cut and paste it from a position paper on their own website: A pandemic is defined as “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”.

Here is the WHO's own Situation Report ONE FULL WEEK before they declared a pandemic.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...0304-sitrep-44-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=93937f92_6

Key points: 76 countries already infected. Nearly 100,000 infected. I count across 6 of 7 continents (and Antarctica isn't shown)


People can say that they were already sounding the alarm bell... but the fact of the matter is that PANDEMIC means something, and we were already well past that point. Importantly, it MEANS SOMETHING in many countries as a matter of LAW... and allows certain actions/funding/etc to be enacted.

They were coerced certainly to avoid calling it what it ALREADY WAS....

If we can't trust them to speak plainly in times of crisis, when local/regional/national politicians are too afraid to do so (or perhaps have vested interests to the contrary)... then WTF are they there for again? If we just want to fund vaccines for kids, we can give our money to UNICEF or GATES FOUNDATION.

CNN actually called it a Pandemic several days before the WHO did. I was thinking it was media scare tactics, but CNN were right as much as some here call them Fake News. Fox at the time was saying it was a Democratic hoax (look it up) so we know who the Fake News was at the very least.

The WHO certainly seemed to have dropped the ball. The question that the world needs answered is why.

 

[doulos]

Bad, selfish person who lacks empathy.

I'm not too worried about labels from HF boards members who have never met me...lol

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

The WHO never held the authoritative power when it came to determining how much of a threat it was initially. They weren't the ones stepping in to silence the doctors who first encountered the virus.

This whole 'investigation' will come to a screeching halt when the finger gets pointed back at the Chinese government.

What I am curious about is if there was active interference in the WHO or some sort of misplaced defference to China at all.

In the end China suppressed information about the virus and must be held accountable. If the WHO actively participated in this or through willful negligence then heads must roll there as well.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I actually encourage anybody to take a look at the thread starting on around page 58. I'll link it again.

What I posted there was prescient for its time, starting in January, if anything. Certainly nothing I was stating in that thread was inappropriate, or errant.


OT: - The OT Thread Part 5: New HF Talk

 

[doulos]

Please do.

 

[doulos]

What I am curious about is if there was active interference in the WHO or some sort of misplaced defference to China at all.

In the end China suppressed information about the virus and must be held accountable. If the WHO actively participated in this or through willful negligence then heads must roll there as well.

There is going to be enough blame for everyone out there in the end. It won't be productive though.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

That's great news for Manitoba. In all seriousness... now give it some time and keep the borders closed (are the borders closed?) ... three days is a great start.

In less seriousness: Thank goodness the miles and miles of wheat will be safe. Hopefully we are just weeks away of reopening the Polo Park Mall and perhaps the Smitty's in Steinbach. Always loved their Banana Cream Pie. What this world needs right now is provinces and states with the population density of Manitoba to show us all how it's done.

I was born in Steinbach!

 

[bucks_oil]

I was born in Steinbach!

I wasn’t kidding about the pie at Smitty’s... we would pass through on our way from Northwestern Ontario... to go to Polo Park Mall and buy some neon Ocean Pacific or Vaurnet (sp?) Tshirts

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I wasn’t kidding about the pie at Smitty’s... we would pass through on our way from Northwestern Ontario... to go to Polo Park Mall and buy some neon Ocean Pacific or Vaurnet (sp?) Tshirts

Theres some great food in Steinbach and the Mennonite communities of SE Manitoba. Haven't been there in ages but still have tons of relatives back there. Polo Park brings back memories as well!

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

There is going to be enough blame for everyone out there in the end. It won't be productive though.

I dont know about that. This is like Chernobyl, where other countries impacted by the fallout demanded action. But this is on a global scale. I think there will be seismic changes coming out of this for many countries, their leaders and global organizations.

 

[Jumptheshark]

What I am curious about is if there was active interference in the WHO or some sort of misplaced defference to China at all.

In the end China suppressed information about the virus and must be held accountable. If the WHO actively participated in this or through willful negligence then heads must roll there as well.

This I can speak from experience. Earlier I posted that I was supposed to fly to Bangkok VIA China on Feb 4th. From and Jan 4th to 20th I spent a lot time reading what WHO was putting out there and it was contradictory. Maybe they were afraid to piss off the Chinese but they were putting stuff out there that was vague and sometimes down played how bad it was.

China lied and we know they did. But WHO played a role in the confusion


but it is fun watching the US tv station try to blame different people

 

[Drivesaitl]

I dont know about that. This is like Chernobyl, where other countries impacted by the fallout demanded action. But this is on a global scale. I think there will be seismic changes coming out of this for many countries, their leaders and global organizations.

One would hope so. But the US doesn't have the same pull in the world right now, Europe forever unlikely to make a stand and again playing a Neville Chamberlain role, and this just goes on. I'm actually more helpful today that Africa may have a better take on China today due to the racist reports we're seeing about China. Maybe some kind of consensus can happen but CCP controlling the UN, WHO, a number of countries.

WE lived through the cold war and theres times where this seems worse. By the 80's and with Chernobyl, the Communist regime was steadily eroding. Pressures all around it and at that time the US were in position to deal with Russia. Taking constant hard lines with Russia. Just don't see that from the USA so much with CCP, a country engaged in similar or worse atrocity.

 

[48g90a138pts]

This someone is glad that you disagree with them. It means this someone is totally on the right track. This someone also made it clear that this someone was NOT going to resume normal life but just not going to enjoy a full lockdown like the rest of you suckers. Enjoy your summer posting on HF boards confined to your house while myself and apparantly our federal leadership will be bending those rules at times to get a break since we are accepting the risks and are taking all precautions required (all things said by those members of government that are now completely allowed by citizens it seems!)

Fool me once, shame on me. In the words of a great band, wont be fooled again!

 

[Bryanbryoil]

One would hope so. But the US doesn't have the same pull in the world right now, Europe forever unlikely to make a stand and again playing a Neville Chamberlain role, and this just goes on. I'm actually more helpful today that Africa may have a better take on China today due to the racist reports we're seeing about China. Maybe some kind of consensus can happen but CCP controlling the UN, WHO, a number of countries.

WE lived through the cold war and theres times where this seems worse. By the 80's and with Chernobyl, the Communist regime was steadily eroding. Pressures all around it and at that time the US were in position to deal with Russia. Taking constant hard lines with Russia. Just don't see that from the USA so much with CCP, a country engaged in similar or worse atrocity.

I suspect that if countries like the US and Canada have any leaders with even a minute amount of brains that we will start to see more industry back in our countries at least in pharmaceuticals, medical equipment, PPE, etc. Hopefully in the tech sector as well. We should help to prop Mexico up and help them to be a brother to our nations and elevate their quality of life and productiveness as a country as well, make NA the envy of the world. The only possibly good thing that could come out of this from Trump IF he gets re-elected is that he has been against globalization so this could be his time to return important jobs back to US soil. Regardless of who the President is going forward, this needs to happen for things that are critical to everyday life. Let China keep producing cheap toys, Easter baskets, plastic cups (I don't buy them because I don't trust anything from there for food or drink), garbage bags, etc. but anything that actually matters, produce it in NA, Europe or in Asian countries not named China.

 

[SK13]

I'm not too worried about labels from HF boards members who have never met me...lol

Well that's good because you aren't winning many fans over here.

May you be handed many massive fines.

 

[rickysusedsht]

Anyone else watch the re broadcast of Oilers sharks 2-2 series play off game on snw? Forgot how good of a game that was.

 

[doulos]

Well that's good because you aren't winning many fans over here.

May you be handed many massive fines.

I won't.

 

[oobga]

The $1200 relief check will include his name on it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1016c2-7e82-11ea-8013-1b6da0e4a2b7_story.html

yikes. The last minute order to add his name is going to delay the delivery of the first cheques to people. ridiculous, but so typical.

 

[oobga]

Yeast is the new toilet paper, at least where I live.

Can confirm based on my last shopping trip. Almost everything was there including toilet paper, pasta, flour, sugar, any kind of meat you would want, etc... but zero yeast.

 

[Senor Catface]

Can confirm based on my last shopping trip. Almost everything was there including toilet paper, pasta, flour, sugar, any kind of meat you would want, etc... but zero yeast.

Here in Vancouver, in my area, it's flour. Nowhere!

 

[Drivesaitl]

I suspect that if countries like the US and Canada have any leaders with even a minute amount of brains that we will start to see more industry back in our countries at least in pharmaceuticals, medical equipment, PPE, etc. Hopefully in the tech sector as well. We should help to prop Mexico up and help them to be a brother to our nations and elevate their quality of life and productiveness as a country as well, make NA the envy of the world. The only possibly good thing that could come out of this from Trump IF he gets re-elected is that he has been against globalization so this could be his time to return important jobs back to US soil. Regardless of who the President is going forward, this needs to happen for things that are critical to everyday life. Let China keep producing cheap toys, Easter baskets, plastic cups (I don't buy them because I don't trust anything from there for food or drink), garbage bags, etc. but anything that actually matters, produce it in NA, Europe or in Asian countries not named China.

Amen. Nothing really to add to this.

g'night all, stay safe.

 

[Biltmore]

China reopens wet markets with World Health Organization's blessing. WHO kissing Chinese butt every single time!

China Reopens Wet Markets with World Health Organization’s Blessing

 

[Jumptheshark]

The $1200 relief check will include his name on it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1016c2-7e82-11ea-8013-1b6da0e4a2b7_story.html

he wants people to know who got them the money

pretty straight forward logic

 

[Jumptheshark]

I was born in Steinbach!

you were not born you were HATCHED!!!!!

 

[I am the Liquor]